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Tech News: 2016-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • In notifications, the icon for Notices has been changed from a speech-bubble icon () to a tray icon () for consistency. The Alerts icon has been redesigned too. The colors have been changed for accessibility. [1]

Problems

  • If you use the wikEd gadget, changes you made were not kept when you switched from the wikitext editor to the visual editor while you were editing. This has now been fixed. [2]

Changes this week

  • Wikimedia search will now ignore question marks at the end of the sentences or words you use when you search. Until now the question mark was just a wildcard. [3]
  • On Commons, UploadWizard will now be available on mobile, rather than just the old upload form. This should reduce the workload for the community in reviewing images. [4]
  • When you edit with the visual editor a puzzle symbol tells you there is an invisible template in the article. It will now mention the name of the template. [5]
  • The button to read something in another language will move for mobile users. This will happen on 9 August. [6]
  • When someone mentions you and links to your user page you get a notification. You will now get a notification when you mention yourself this way. [7]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 August. It will be on all wikis from 11 August (calendar).
  • A message on Notifications panel will invite users to try Special:Notifications page. [8]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 9 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Project MC2

Dunno if you've already seen it, but if you haven't you might be interested in this... Cheers! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: I haven't seen the trailer yet, but I've heard about season 2 and it's already in the article. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
The trailer mentions two new characters by name (but unfortunately doesn't ID the actresses playing them...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 9 August 2016‎ (UTC)
@IJBall: Yeah, I guess we'll just have to wait until August 12 to confirm it (though someone else has tried to add Ember's actress earlier – unsourced, of course). Also this suggests the second season will have 6 episodes, though it's not verified and the release date is close anyway so we'll also find that out for sure soon. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Four Tilda's

Hi @Nyuszika7H, I been aware of the four Tilda to create a signature for some while, since the get go, but there is some code in my browser that stops certain abusive JavaScript and that stops the four tilda working. Generally before I would double edit, to fix it, but it takes so much. The way the code runs on WP is not conjusive to good security on the client, and I'm not removing the HTTP pipeline filter that protects me. This is four tilda working scope_creep 13:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Scope creep: The expansion is done on server side, so I doubt that's causing an issue. Try going to your preferences, clearing out the "Signature:" box (or set it to "scope_creep" [without quotes] if you wish to have it lowercased), and make sure the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box is not checked. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
I thought server side as well, like asp.net, but I tried to fix it two years ago. I'll take a look. I don't know how the quotes appeared. scope_creep 13:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
@Scope creep: There are no quotes in your signature, just wanted to clarify that you don't need to include those. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Coolio. That is now working fine. Scope creep (talk) 13:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Backstage

Now that makes things even weirder. I'm the one who added the credits there, and I can clearly confirm he was credited as RT! Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury: That's strange. I have episodes from three different sources (I don't have a legal way to watch most foreign shows here without waiting for syndication, and one source stopped and the other skipped some episodes, so...) The first two episodes are from iTunes, where he's credited as "Randall Thorne". Episode 9 is from Disney UK, where he's credited as "RT!". I just confirmed on Watch Disney, and there he's indeed credited as "RT!" in episode 1, 2 and 9. Someone would need to check in Canada, but unless we find that he's credited as "Randall Thorne" there, we should probably go by the original broadcast as usual and add hidden notes about this situation. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I watched them when they aired on Disney Channel, which I'm sure gets their copies of the show directly from Canada, the original broadcaster, where I know for a fact it was RT! I was going to have you look on Putlocker, but it looks like they show Randall Thorne as well. I'm willing to bet that's why you only saw one episode as RT! That one was from the Canada airing, though it is strange that another region would change the credits of a show they acquired. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:47, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@Amaury: It's really strange, because I'm pretty sure the iTunes episodes are from the US region too, so it's strange because they usually follow what Disney US does, with one-hour specials and stuff, but in this case they didn't. On both Disney US and UK, he's credited as "RT!", so it's safe to assume it's the same in Canada, I guess. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-33

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Last week Tech News announced you will get a notification when you mention yourself the same way as if someone else had mentioned you. This caused some problems and will happen later instead. [9]
  • Creating and editing links to sections on other pages on the wiki now works again in the visual editor. [10]
  • For some users, cross-wiki notifications haven't been working properly. The count has been wrong when only cross-wiki notifications were present. The cross-wiki bundle has been showing only the names of wikis and not the actual notifications. This will be fixed soon. [11][12]

Changes this week

  • The login session when you choose "Keep me logged in" will now last a year. Previously it was 30 days. This will happen on August 16. [13]
  • Some abuse filters will have to be updated during the week. This is because a bug will be fixed. [14]
  • In compact language links, two new kinds of languages will be shown in the shorter language list: Languages that are used in the article's text, and languages where the article has a badge like "featured article" or "good article". [15][16]
  • The visual editor will be available by default for logged-out editors on Wikipedias that use the Arabic script. It is already default for logged-in editors. [17]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 17. It will be on all wikis from August 18 (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 16 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Starting the week of August 22 there will be three software deployment windows. They will be at 13:00, 18:00, and 23:00 UTC. This is to have more times when software of the wikis can be updated and make it easier for developers in different parts of the world. [18]

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19:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Notice of discussions regarding updates to MOS:TV

This is just a notification to a series of discussions that are taking place regarding updates to MOS:TV, given you participated in the discussion and/or expressed interest in the discussion seen here. You can find more information about the initiative and the discussions, here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Sofia the First: The Curse of Princess Ivy

Honestly, I think I'd advise just boldly redirecting that to List of Sofia the First episodes. I don't see anything there that is worth keeping, especially as it is entirely unsourced. And it's not worth WP:PROD'ing or WP:AfD'ing either. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: At first I thought it's some weird pilot that happens to have the same name as an episode, but now I saw the date and realized it is about the episode and has absolutely nothing except the short lead and the plot... So yeah, thanks for the hint. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Table of contents

can you help me with the table of contents 76.170.9.79 (talk) 06:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't show up until there are at least four headings in the article, because it's not really necessary at that point. Someone else added one, but I don't think it's needed yet. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
For the record, you can "force" a table of contents with either __TOC__ or something like {{TOC left}}. But, as you said, it's generally not a good idea if there are less than four sections in an article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bizaardvark

Good catch! I wonder how we missed that. I don't remember an edit ever being made that added that. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-34

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The ORES review tool is now available on Special:Contributions as a beta feature. It can make it easier to find contributions that are probably damaging the wikis. The ORES review tool is available on Wikidata and Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Dutch, Turkish and Russian Wikipedia. [19]
  • The norm and ccnorm functions have been updated to make it easier to write abuse filters. This also affects the TitleBlacklist extension. You don't have to transform "I" and "L" to "1", "O" to "0" and "S" to "5" anymore. [20]
  • The old pageview data in the "pagecounts-raw" and "pagecounts-all-sites" files is no longer being updated. You can find the new pageview data here. This happened on August 5. [21]

Problems

  • Some big image files could not be thumbnailed. This has now been fixed. [22]
  • When you moved a page over a redirect it would delete the redirect without saving it in the logs. This has now been fixed. [23]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 August. It will be on all wikis from 25 August (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully sent out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. You can test this on the test wiki. [24][25]
  • How you add text after an edit conflict might work in a different way in the future. You can test the prototype. [26]

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21:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

what is going on with my wiki from Michael?

Evee0900 (talk) 03:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Nyuszika7H,

Thanks for the advice. I'll see if I can get the Rollback perm. FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-35

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them. This is to save mobile data and make the pages load faster. [27]
  • When you edit a table with the visual editor, pressing Tab in the last cell of a row will take you to the first cell in the next row. Pressing Shift and Tab in the first cell of a row will take you to the last cell in the previous row. [28]

Changes this week

  • The name of the "Save page" button will change. The button will say "Publish page" when you create a new page. It will say "Publish changes" when you change an existing page. [29][30]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 August. It will be on all wikis from 1 September (calendar).

Meetings

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16:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Category:Connected contributors

That makes sense so I've renamed the cat, and adjusted the template. I suggest you close (or preferably simply undo) the category discussion as its now moot. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-36

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Word-level diffs now work in longer paragraphs. [31]
  • Interactive maps now have a frame by default. This is to make them look like other multimedia objects. This affects all Wikivoyages, the Catalan, Hebrew, Macedonian Wikipedias and Meta. [32]
  • When you preview the MediaWiki:Captcha-ip-whitelist page it will show a validation output of the listed IP addresses instead of the list of addresses only. This can help you to identify if your whitelist rules will work or not. [33]

Changes this week

  • You will be able to use <maplink> on all Wikipedias. It creates a link to a full screen map. [34][35]
  • Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. [36][37]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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17:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Foreign-language titles

As per WP:NCCAPS, foreign-language are to utilize capitalization found on English-language reliable sources. I have reverted your move for Desde Cuándo. Erick (talk) 02:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: OK, but there was no need to revert all of my edits, I've restored my unrelated edits now. The title was only changed in two places besides the actual page title. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikipedia loading issues

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikipedia loading issues. I'm trying to see if there are any others affected. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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AWB?

Hey, Nyuszika7H, you have WP:AWB rights, correct?... If so, I might have a job for you at Kett Turton. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yeah, what do you need help with? nyuszika7h (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
There's a bunch of extraneous code in Kett Turton's Filmography table that doesn't need to be there. It would be a pain to remove manually – but this is just the kind of thing that AWB is for!! So I was hoping you could take care of it. TIA.. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:21, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall:  Done I just used the regex search and replace in the edit toolbar (under "Advanced", the icon on the right side), and for the episodes I was too lazy to write a regex and there weren't that many so I did that part with manual cut-and-paste. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm a Mac guy, so I don't have access to AWB, though I've toyed with the idea of getting a cheap PC laptop just to play with it!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall: I mean on the normal Wikipedia edit toolbar, I didn't use AWB. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Huh... I'll have to take a closer look at that!! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall: Actually, you may have to enable it manually: tick "Enable wizards for links, formatting, tables, citations, and the search and replace function" at Preferences § Editing. – nyuszika7h (talk) 19:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

OK, I did have the Edit toolbar enabled the whole time. But I would never have noticed the button for "Search & Replace" unless you had told me exactly where to find it! They really need to advertise that feature better! because before today, I used to copy text into MS Word to do 'Search & Replace' and then paste it back into Wikipedia edit windows – I really wish I'd know about this feature earlier!! (Grrrrr!) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-37

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The Wikimedia Commons app for Android can now show nearby places that need photos. [39]
  • <maplink> and <mapframe> can now use geodata from Open Street Map if Open Street Map has defined a region and given it an ID in Wikidata. You can use this to draw on the map and add information. [40][41]

Changes this week

  • The RevisionSlider will be available as a beta feature on all wikis from 13 September. This will make it easier to navigate between diffs in the page history. [42]
  • A new user right will allow most users to change the content model of pages. [43][44]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 September. It will be on all wikis from 15 September (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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18:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:RS

I'm somewhat curious since when did we start accepting Facebook as a reliable source for BLP info? See [[45]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

@Hell in a Bucket: A verified social media account is an acceptable source for information about the subject themselves. Please read WP:SOCIALMEDIA. – nyuszika7h (talk) 12:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
THanks for pointing that out. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

The Lodge (TV series)

Hey, Nyuszika7H – how are you seeing the premiere of The Lodge "early"? Is the show having an online "preview" release? – If so, that info should probably be added to the article... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: It was released on Disney Channel UK's website and YouTube channel on September 8, 2016, and I asked someone from the UK to get it for me. There is already a footnote in the air date column for the episode, though it might be worth a mention in a "Broadcast" section as well. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 Done --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
One request: now that you've viewed the premiere episode, can you look over the article's 'Plot' section please? It looks overwritten to me, and I'd like to know how much of what's in that 'Plot' section is verified by the premiere episode... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems like pretty much everything was mentioned in the episode, except perhaps Skye's age (but that's mentioned in other sources [46] [47]). It does have grammar issues though, I'll fix those a bit later. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I guess it's a bit too much, though I'm not entirely sure which details were mentioned as not everything was clear due to the lack of subtitles. Also, I can't really tell what should go in the "main" plot summary and what should go in the episode summary. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Once it premieres here in the U.S., I'll take a look at it. I also run everything I watch through Closed Captioning, so I shouldn't miss anything even with the British accents... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will hopefully be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar). This is the version that was meant to go out last week.

Meetings

Future changes

  • Wikidata will start working on adding support for Wiktionary. The Wikidata development team is now taking one last look at the development plan. [50]

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22:09, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Image upload

Would you be so kind as to double-check this and see if I did it right and tweak things if necessary? Last time I uploaded images was back in 2009 relating to Digimon Data Squad, though they were eventually deleted for one reason or another, so just wanted to make sure I'm good here as I know you've done this quite a few times. Thanks in advance. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:36, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury:  Done Sorry for the late reply, I just noticed this on my talk page again when viewing the tech news. nyuszika7h (talk) 22:24, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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@Xaosflux: Yeah, I've seen that. Thanks! nyuszika7h (talk) 19:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Liv and Maddie Viewership

Any chance you could find a more reliable source, even as an archive, for the viewership of these three episodes? As far as I know, that's not really a reliable source (Son of the Bronx):

Any chance you could find information/sources, even as archives, for these episodes?

By coincidence, it's the same as episode 27, haha, give or take whatever the third number is before rounding. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll try. Technically, it's on a blog, but you could argue that it's reliable because there's no reasonable doubt that it's written by Douglas Pucci who also used to publish ratings on TV Media Insights before that site became defunct. nyuszika7h (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha. Make sense. I'll cross those out, then, to make it easier. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I can't seem to find the viewers for episode 21, I found a not-so-reliable blog (not Son of the Bronx) but even that doesn't mention Liv and Maddie. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Hm. And I actually did look at that Showbuzz Daily article for #29, but I must have overseen it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • If your wiki wants numerical sorting in categories you can request it after a community decision. See how to request it. [51]
  • When you edit text and mention a new username they are notified if you add your signature. Before this only happened under certain conditions. [52]
  • Users are notified if they are mentioned in a section where you add your own signature even if you edit more than one section. Before, users were not notified if you edited more than one section in one edit. [53]

Problems

Changes this week

  • There will be no new MediaWiki version this week. [56]

Meetings

Future changes

  • Abandoned tools on Tool Labs could be taken over by other developers. There is a new discussion on Meta about this. It will be discussed until 12 October and then voted on. [57]

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18:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of The Thundermans episodes#Thundermans: Secret Revealed is a special

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of The Thundermans episodes#Thundermans: Secret Revealed is a special. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Small poke

Just want you to know that a few small changes will be implement to MOS:TV, based on the most recent rewrite discussion, in case you would like to voice any opinions regarding them before they are implemented. Once those are done, the next section to cover will be the first "Image" section, with the first "Lead" section and everyone's favorite topic, "Plot", on deck. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:41, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for helping me with the episode list article draft and the episode tables! I appreciate it. Do you know why the summaries are showing up on the list? Chase (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Disney Channel ratings opinions

First, Nyuszika, thanks for the help above. Anyway, can you and IJBall, since he's had a lot of opinions on this subject, offer your feedback on this? Why do you suppose ratings for Disney Channel shows—or at least some as, without taking a glance at other shows, past or present, and refreshing my memory, I can't really say for sure—seem to always jump up and down, even for really popular shows like K.C. Undercover? For example, take a look at here. Using the last five episodes, we go from 1.18 for July 24, then up to 1.88 for August 7, then up to 1.97 for August 14, then down to 1.31 for September 11, and now down to 1.11 for September 18. Nickelodeon's ratings appear to be more consistent for the most part—again, I can't say for sure as I'd need to take a glance over its other shows, past or present, to refresh my memory. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I attribute it mostly to a combination of a young audience (i.e. one that doesn't stick to a "schedule" like an adult audience would) and multiple viewing options (e.g. either watching an episode later off the DVR, or just watching later on Disney Channel as they rerun episodes a million times, or on Disney Channel online). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall: Yeah, I can see the point. Nickelodeon is likely the same way, but it must be different somehow. And, semi-related, I think Disney XD is on a totally different table on what's considered "good" ratings as its shows hardly go above 1.00, other than perhaps premieres or specials, or even 0.50. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, not sure what's the difference with Nickelodeon. One thing I've noticed is that instead of removing old episodes, Watch Disney started restricting them again to those with a TV provider login (they start off as restricted, then available to everyone for a while, then back), at least for Backstage. I don't think it's visible on the website, but the API lists a 2031 expiry date for those episodes. Of course, they might pull them manually before that date. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Nyuszika, can you please archive the viewers for Backstage's "After the Flood"? I don't know how to create an archive with Wayback Machine. Also, and I'm not requesting opinions here, so don't feel forced to reply, but if you or IJBall are interested, I had a similar discussion with Michael here regarding ratings. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:59, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Nyuszika, did you ever see this? I'm going to mention you just in case general talk page alerts aren't working for you for some reason: Nyuszika7H. :) Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
@Amaury:  Done Sorry, I've seen it but I was on mobile at that time and I forgot about it. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
No worries. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Doctor Who

Before I revert you, please explain your recent edits to the Doctor Who articles. There was no consensus to the discontinuation of {{Doctor Who episode list}}, and the usage of number-letter (e.g. 217a) story numbers aren't supported by the BBC. Alex|The|Whovian? 14:08, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@AlexTheWhovian: The closer determined the consensus at the TfD I linked was to merge, but there was nothing to merge because of the accessibility concerns with rowspan. I don't really care too much whether a/b/c/d is used or not, but I thought it's better than repeating the same number. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, yeah, it was about screen readers, they have a navigation mode where they announce column/row headers plus selected cells. In that mode, screen reader users couldn't be sure which episode of the story it is, as we use the story number as row header, which is not unique unless we add a suffix. Other suggestions are welcome, though. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There was no clear consensus from the discussion after multiple months, and the closer was a non-admin who took it up himself after not having contributed to the discussion at all. If the same number is used, then they should span the same cell, instead of duplicate HTML IDs being created which in itself is bad accessibility - fixing something broken with something else broken isn't fixing it. This is why I once suggested scrapping story numbers all together and reverting to episode numbers. The template has also stood for over a year now without any further issues as well. Perhaps this should have been discussed in a new TfD that hasn't expired. Alex|The|Whovian? 14:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @AlexTheWhovian: If you wish to overturn the closure, my talk page is not the right place to do that. WP:NAC is just as valid as an admin close and both may be overturned if necessary. Also, "contributing to the discussion" would make them WP:INVOLVED. Personally I don't mind too much either way, I just saw it in the holding cell where nobody has done anything with it for almost a month year. TfDs don't "expire", the result was just waiting to be carried out and there was a lack of interest. However, now I see it may have been better to discuss how exactly to carry this out first (another TfD would be probably unnecessary, but at least a local talk page discussion). I just realized another thing, I may have broken anchors with this (though that could be easily fixed without changing the displayed output). And for what it's worth, on many animated shows' episode lists, a/b separation is "not supported" by the official numbering either, but it's a necessary disambiguation when directing and writing credits differ. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Almost a month? It was held in July-October 2015; that's last year. That's almost a year, so it couldn't have been that damaging if no-one had been interested enough in carrying it out. As well as the possibility of breaking anchors, the templates should have been changed to {{Episode list/sublist|List of Doctor Who serials}}, rather than {{Episode list}}, so that the summaries don't display on the LoE page. And if a/b separation isn't supported, then it shouldn't be used. Alex|The|Whovian? 23:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
@AlexTheWhovian: Oops, I mean almost a year. And you're right, like I said I should have been more careful, sorry about that. You can revert my edits now if you want, I guess it would be better to discuss first how exactly to solve the issue. (For the record, I'm not the first person using the letters for separation – it doesn't matter who does it, but AFAIK that was in use for a long time before the rowspanned episode lists were introduced.) nyuszika7h (talk) 08:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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RfC for page patroller qualifications

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