User talk:Noypi380/Archive1

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Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame) 10:33, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

It's great to see your excitement! I love the place, and if you stick around, you'll continue to learn more about it and how complex and interesting it is. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to ask. --Spangineer (háblame) 13:41, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Keep it up

Wow, a very active Philippine contributor... you just popped out of nowhere. :p You may be interested in the list of Filipino Wikipedians, and Tambayan Philippines. Good job with your contributions, especially at Philippine electoral crisis, 2005. TheCoffee 17:17, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...its late in the night right here in the Philippines...--Noypi380 17:19, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Filipino Wikipedians

Hi, you were listed in the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Philippines page as living in or being associated with Philippines. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please add [[Category:Filipino Wikipedians|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]] to your user page. Thanks. :) Coffee 03:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thank you for supporting my request for adminship. I learned this morning that I was granted my super powers. *shoots sparks across the room* Coffee 14:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

No prob, you and Jondel can form a Justice League of admins. :) --Noypi380 14:38, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Sabon

From Hinduism. I thought this was Spanish (Javon)? It is good that you started, I've already gathered material and will add soon.--Jondel 02:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, from what I know, our sabon came from sabun/sabon which really means soap in India. But if that can not be verified, then it can be taken out later. :) --Noypi380 02:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

It is possible that it came from India. The word tu which meaning you in Spanish can also be found I think in Sanskrit. There is a latin word very similar to Tatay (father). --Jondel 02:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok.--Noypi380 02:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Indologist

Uhh , is there a reason that you hesitate to mention Indologists like Pasricha?--Jondel 05:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I was worried with the spelling. I thought that it was Patricia. --Noypi380 06:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Sabun

I went to the bookstore and found the word sabun for soap in Hindu.So it is possible that soap came from India(?) Anyway it is amazing. How did you know this? Are you Indian --Jondel 23:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, no. Had a crush on an Indian? Yes! :) --Noypi380 23:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm studying Yoga and attempting meditation. I read about Yoga philosopy, patanjali. But I attend mass on Sundays. I have many Indian friends. Another Indian word is tuum which can be found in Latin and is similar to tu in Spanish.Namaste. --Jondel 05:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Namaste, :) --Noypi380 05:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sultanate of Sulu

You did an impressive job with this! Since it is related to the Philippines, other wikipedians won't touch it. It was messy. I tried to research this on the internet but could not make a decent article. I just kept putting it off. Keep it up!!--Jondel 06:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks so much, ;) --Noypi380 06:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Will help soon. And good work on the page cleanup __earth 07:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Maradia Lawana

Can you start an article on Maradia Lawana. It's the flipino version of ramayana. --Dangerous-Boy

I'll see what I can do. It'll take me some time to read up. :) --Noypi380 08:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs)

Hi Noypi380, just saw your edit on above. In "see also," u've added Asian Institute of Management, which is not related to IIMs in any direct manner, apart frm the fact that both belong to the category of Business Schools. Someone interested abt other b-schools shd go to the category; else, see also wd be cluttered with Wharton, INSEAD etc. Hence rv-ing ur edit. thought I shd leave a personal note --Gurubrahma 08:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

There are six IIMs of which, the earliest was the one at Ahmedabad; it alone follows the case method. other IIMs follow different varieties of pedagogy. If you are keen, you may want to add it to the "see also" of Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad and also change the "see also" of Asian Institute of Management to point it to the institute at Ahmedabad. Thanks --Gurubrahma 09:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, thanks, --Noypi380 09:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

RPFA Voting

Sure, you can remove the section. =) --seav 09:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Spolarium

The Spolarium article exists but what I meant was that you have a knack of improving and writing feature articles and religiously follow the wiki guidelines. I am planning to read up according the suggestion of your User page(Uhh maybe tommorrow). That the painting is a materpiece is very self-evident. There are still a lot of details that need investigation. My Philippino teacher told me that Luna used another name or made it appear that the author wasn't him. When the committee found out that the composer was an 'indio', they wanted to withdraw the prize. I believe that there is a lot that the world and even the Filipinos don't about the Philippines or about Filipinos. Maybe we should advertise ourselves more? Did you know that there was more treasure with gold coins etc. found from the sunken Manila Galelleons than the 'Pirate' Galleons of the Carribean'? Jacques Ceoustau(wrong spelling but the French ocean explorer regularly featured in National Geographic) regularly visited the Philippines in secret.--Jondel 01:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Ya, :) the wiki guidlines are kinda like the 10 commandments to me. But they wanted to withdraw the prize from Luna? Whoa, I didn't know bout that. I thought he was awarded like a typical competition or something, where everyone's identity is known. That incident is something that lots of people would find interesting, and people should know about. The galleons thing too. There are lots of people who visit the RP to find sunken galleons, buried WW2 treasure, etc. The funny thing is, the historical aspect of these artifacts are not given much attention, which is worth more than the gold. Indeed, it would be nice to add the unknown aspects of that knowledge into the appropriate articles. Oh, ya, ok, lets advertise :) ;) --Noypi380 05:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Custeau visited secretly and this is not bola and totally hidden from the Press. I have met Oficial Government/Military Divers whose job was to find these treasure(well , Marcos was the President then). I heard again about galleon treasure about 2 decades later when some friends of mine got involved in Japanese treasure hunting. Again, nothing came out in the papers then. I'm not sure about the historical aspects but my impression was that the Japanese gathered treasure from all over Southeast asia and buried them in the Philippines. Uhh, this research might take too much time. Anyway, if happen to meet your Pilipino teacher again, you have something to discuss.--Jondel 06:35, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Discuss indeed, :) --Noypi380 14:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

2005 Philippine electoral crisis

Hi, I think you did a very good job in condensing most of the article from the current events version. I did a bit of copyediting, mostly to move the article into the past tense, as the crisis is most likely over. I'm not really familiar with politics in the Philippines, but here are a few suggestions for improving the article:

1. Information about actions taken by the administration to avert the crisis:

How did the government try to assuage public opinion?

What actions did the government take to reduce the chances of damaging public protests?

2. Aftermath section (what was the result of the crisis)?

After the failure of impeachment, was "people power" attempted? Why did it fail?

What has been the government response? What has the government done to change the political system?

How has the administration been weakened by the crisis? What compromises have they been forced to make?

A conclusion, perhaps showing that the Philippines tried to use legal means to resolve the crisis through impeachment, the move away from "people power" politics, and the resilience of the Arroyo presidency, although in a weakened state.--Confuzion 00:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll work on it asap. :) --Noypi380 05:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm glad you found my suggestions to be useful. I like what you've done with the aftermath section; personally, I don't think it's too long. The effects of the crisis will probably not be fully known until at least after the next major election, so it's okay, I think, to leave some conclusions a bit more open-ended. The basic framework of the overall article now looks pretty solid. If I have time, I'll try to make minor tweaks to improve the article.--Confuzion 02:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. :) --Noypi380 12:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem.--Confuzion 01:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

First Quarter Storm, Rolex 12

Hi Noypi380! Yes I do know something about the topics you mentioned, although I have to search through my sources to give better details that what are already written in Wikipedia. Although I was too young to remember the events during those years, I have read a lot of accounts in those subjects; the best account that I have read was Dead Aim: How Marcos Ambushed Philippine Democracy by Conrado de Quiros. RashBold 04:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thats cool. We finally have an expert on 70's/80's politics and history! Eventhough apparently you have many other topical interests, as shown in your user page, I sure hope that you feel free to be rather outspoken in editing and commenting on the 70's/80's topics. Those topics are really lacking in wikipedia. Thanks! I'll check up on the de Quiros work you mentioned. ;) --Noypi380 04:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Presidente

Would this image be of any use? It could potentially replace Image:Pgma.jpg. It may not be quite as good, but I took it, so it's free. :) Coffee 09:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow! Its very, very ok! Feel free to add it in the article, (or any other GMA related article for that matter) It was taken in August (during the crisis), so perfect. Though she looks sad, its expressive of the difficult times. I am hoping to hear from users tabris and homboy, the two who uploaded the first two pics. If they are able to classify the copyrights of their pics, the earlier pics can be kept. But your pic is the best, no cpyrght vios too. :0 :) --Noypi380 11:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Philippine sites

Here is a copy of the reply I have made to your comment Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_19#Category:Philippine_sites_to_Category:Landmarks_of_the_Philippines:

That is not the only meaning of landmark. It is the oldest and now the least important meaning. Landmark also has a broader meaning, which is now the main meaning in American English. Look at our own article landmark, which makes things clear and at Category:landmarks of the United States. "Landmarks of X" at least has some sort of meaning as a category. "Site" is just useless, because every place in category:buildings and structures in the Philippines and Category:geography of the Philippines is a site. It is a duplicate of these and if retained would need to be populated with all of the subcategories of those two categories. This is why not one other country has a "sites" category! This is not in the slightest an attack on the Philippines. I am trying my hardest to make the Philippines category as good as those for other countries. All Americans will understand the broader meaning of landmarks perfectly, and it is clearer to everyone else than "site", which is one of the vaguest words in the English language. Jondel's idea that the term "site" achieves his goal is simply completely mistaken - he wants the category to be used for specific things, but the term includes any number of things that are not within the range he has in mind. Please reconsider your vote. CalJW 20:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

May I go back to the actual arguments. The point was that "site" is broad, and "landmark" is more specific. Hence, "landmark" should be a subcat of "site". I have proven these with the definitions that I have posted, from hyperdictionary.com, which is based on Princeton. The important terms for comparison are in bold.

Geography - study of the earth's surface, includes topography

Location - a point or extent in space

Site - the piece of land on which something is located

Landmark - a mark showing the boundary of a piece of land

From the definitions above, there is a implied hierarchy, from general to specific, geography >> location >> site >> landmark. Hence, one can not be renamed for the other. Specifically on the Philippine cats, not all of the material in the "site cat" are actually "landmarks". Some are only buildings and definitely not all buildings are landmarks. However, all buildings are definitely sites. Hence, "buildings and stuctures" should be a subcat of "site" as well. That is the order, not exclusive to only the Philippine geography.

If you believe otherwise, please do cite a credible source, a quote from a British or American English dictionary, which ever you want to use, as long as definitions and hierarchy will be explained. Finally, it is proven tbat "site" is useful, for its broad definition would be very helpful in the hierarchy, since the "buildings" and "landmarks" cats are definitely subcats of "sites". This would be helpful in our "international category system" for there will a semblance of order. Finally friend, it would be wrong to confuse "geography", "buildings and structures" for "sites". :) --Noypi380 04:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The fact that site is broad is the biggest reason not to use it and I have said so more than once. I have also explained already that the definition of "landmark" you are using is old and is no longer the main sense of the word. It appears early in the list at [1] because the definitions are given in the order in which they arose, but this sense is almost obselete, and many native English speakers are probably not even aware of it. Even definition 4 is rather our of date, as the idea of historic significance is no longer given much weight by Americans, as it clear from the things they classify as landmarks. Please consider whether you can be right about the current meaning of this English word and all the Americans who have accepted its use in Category:Landmarks of the United States wrong. Of course you can't be! CalJW 18:48, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Hahaha, what new definition? Hahaha, age of definition is irrelevant! If it were to use the new definition then it would be called Landmarks in United States history, for definition 3 in Ref.com! Or Landmarks in the United States, for defintiion 4! Not Landmarks of the United States, for the "old" definition! :) :) :) The first term implies event landmarks, the third term implies the "older" definition that you were calling it. Hence, my arguments apply all the more! Hahaha, pardon me for laughing, but its fun talking to you. There should be loads of revisions now! :) :) :) --Noypi380 04:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

But, since you have been so kind to take the time to ask me to reconsider, with a prospectively daunting work ahead because of errors, better not let this drag on, so I ask you a simple question. No explanations required, straight and simple answer, pick only one, what is more important to you? Accuracy or consistency? Choose wisely, for I may reconsider my vote depending on your answer. Its been fun, you are a "landmark" of a true gentleman (or lady, I don't know you personally). :)--Noypi380 06:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Or not. My vote was already counted I guess. :) --Noypi380 22:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Landmarks

Sorry to have dragged you into this Noypi. I really feel a location or place category is significant, however, I submit to due process.--Jondel 05:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, don't worry about it, I submit to due process too, but contrary opinions, all of them have to be properly informed of your side as well, and mine too, rather than accusing ignorance, without attempting to argue intelligently. I now believe that the system in place could be wrong. Naturally, it would be hard to see that I may be right. This is so coz assuming that I am right with the "three landmark names corresponding to the three kinds of definitions" argument, and the hierachy argument that I used, the people who set up the cats would have to rewrite everything! That's alot of changes, and consistency is preferrable. :)--Noypi380 06:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)