User talk:Nosebagbear/Archive 3

A goat for you!

for your newly cleaned up page. :D Good to see your comments at AfDs.

DBig Xray 22:07, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: I've long felt that my talk page had an excess of class, and that it prevented my sarcasm from suitably manifesting itself on Wiki. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

haha, would love to see more of your witty side around. also I suggest using Auto WP:Archive, thats a menial job best left for bots to take care of, anyway its your call. cheers. --DBig Xray 22:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The comment above was due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tishnagi and yes i did read the translation. :DDBig Xray 11:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: indeed! Though this AfD's most recent comment that I've just replied to is its own interesting argument Nosebagbear (talk) 11:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eva bartlett

Thanks for trying to improve the Eva Bartlett page. You know my views on the page as it stands as I voted for deletion, and I am aware that you believe it can be improved by editing the current content. I don’t think your edits address all my concerns (e.g. making a claim about removal of YouTube videos which is not supported by the source provided) but every little bit helps so thanks. Burrobert 14:30, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

@Burrobert: Well as Eva is clearly notable, people should be re-writing (probably in a controlled fashion or the page's editing is going to erupt, messily) since she obviously warrants an article. The source does actually cover the youtube video removal, but you need to click through to the full pdf - it's not in the executive summary. I suspect the calmer members on "each side" need to work on the content (which certainly does need some rebalancing) to make it in acceptable form - cheers for the notice, and have a gander yourself to fix the various bits :) Nosebagbear (talk) 14:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: Thanks for pointing out the YouTube reference. Perhaps the link needs to be updated to point to the full report. My first instinct is to try to improve the page by gradual edits but in this case I get the feeling it won’t work.

Burrobert 15:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, I was thinking about whether the link has to be shifted. The same link is used elsewhere, so I suspect I'll need to delete that specific instance and put in a new one. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Meaningful vote

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Thanks for helping me understand

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Of all the people I worked with creating my first article, you were the most helpful. At times, I felt like other editors didn't bother to listen to my questions and concerns. However, I felt you exemplified the guidance in WP:DNB and WP:EQ. Because of your efforts and approach, I am a much more confident and engaged Wikipedian. Thank you very much for your effort! Jonkatora (talk) 19:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonkatora: - cheers, you're welcome. Remember The Teahouse is where many of the most helpful, (far more than I!), and very patient, wikipedians spend their time, which includes helping with new articles and the endless morass of wiki's policies. I still use it a few times a month when I get stuck. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not in the wrong at all

Hi Coryphantha - I thought it would avoid restarting your page conversation if I pinged you on my own talk page.

As you are clearly aware, you weren't in the wrong in the slightest on this Australia issue - neither on the initial cause, nor on this ridiculous "worldwide English somehow means saying Australians don't speak English". Well done on staying calm (again) while facing a fair lack of civility. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nosebagbear Thank you for your kind words, after all of that it is well received. I grew up and spent most of my adult life assuming all Australians spoke English and only English, obviously it's a sore point for others however, I'm not sure why. I apologized for it (although this could have been resolved on the article's talk page by discussion and consensus not through uncivility), my point of view is not necessarily wrong but a different way of looking at it I suppose. Thank you again, I was actually considering giving up and putting an indefinite break template on my talk point. I'm still not sure though, this is a rough place! I really do just want to make WP a better place and get along with people. :) Coryphantha Talk 15:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Coryphantha - I was rather baffled as well, I wasn't aware that insulting Australians by indicating that they didn't speak English was a thing. Wiki can be overly rough - and so long as people aren't swearing etc it's very rare to see any blowback for incivility. I've been fairly quiet on the content creation side recently, so I don't run into the page brigade issues, so other than some unhappy vandals and the occasional flare-up in AfD, I don't see too much of it. That said, I do need to do some more work in actually working on the front end of the guide, as without people doing that it makes everything else rather pointless. Please don't leave us - calm, helpful, editors are already thin on the ground :) Nosebagbear (talk) 15:31, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nosebagbear I didn't know either, it was a total surprise to me. Maybe it was just something to be annoyed about, I work with someone who finds reasons to pick at others about but can't take the blame for their own mistakes. Somehow I'm still on their good side, but only if I keep my mouth shut which isn't always easy. I've had good luck with some of my articles getting through review and I have another one almost ready (fingers crossed). I am undertaking counter vandalism training, but maybe I'm biting more off than I can chew, I don't know. I got through the last flare up, this will blow over. I can't believe how many editors there are though. Maybe just a couple days away will do me good, I do appreciate your support! :) Coryphantha Talk 15:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Barnstar for you!

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		Thank you for your support! Phew, WP can be a rough place! Coryphantha Talk 15:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abhi morje

Date of birth 03-01-1998

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Clarifications

Had to start and respond with an account due to tech impediments.

A considerable amount of the information the user claims demonstrates that the songs in question bear notability are quite trivial:

NYLON's List of 10 Lyrics From 'Graduation' That Ring True Today, Complex's list of the 20 best white girl samples in rap, insert random celebrity here said that insert song here is their favorite etc. Don't at all see how Highsnobiety's description of the "The Glory" being suitable on his first or second album indicates a Legacy. The user also extensively uses lengthy quotations (i.e. WP:QUOTEFARM) and UNDUE/OR to pad out these articles. As I said on their page, "You only live once" was a vehemently common phrase long before the song or Drake came along. The source they cited for that within the article doesn't even actually support the trivial comparison being made. Its just a link to a nondescript lyric sheet for songs from the album.

Similar themes follow for "Robocop" and "Coldest Winter". Believe the nomination for "Say You Will" is fairly thorough enough. But to reiterate what I stated before, much of the info included on the page would be suitable on a page dedicated for the concert.

Moving on, in regards to Experimental hip hop, I believe it a matter of conflation. While they're are some artists/groups/works that I would classify with such a designation, the main issue with article is that its largely based on information from describing a different, but similar subgenre and there no attemps to clarify. As for Acoustic hip hop, it reads like a fan page. Its a if someone took notice of the fact that several artists they've listened to use acoustic instruments for their songs and decided to string together a page for it. I've rarely if ever come across the term apart from a passing, casual description of a hip hop song that sounds acoustic. People frequently use this site as a platform to more or less make genres happen.

Hi, @Ascribe4: - two things to start: firstly, please remember to add ~~~~ at the end so I know who to respond to.

Secondly, you need to clarify where the issue you're referring to is taking place - if it's a discussion we're having (or a close I made) elsewhere please point out the AfD - I participate either via !voting or closing about 15 AfDs a day so I need a pointer :)

I was a little unsure about your final paragraph - they don't currently have any participation in their AfDs, and so I was wondering if there was a specific purpose in asking me about them?

Sorry for the lack of any answers - I didn't want to guess and assume where you wanted an answer and risk giving the wrong one. Get back to me and I'll hopefully succeed. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:01, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I was trying to provide a general response to the various questions directed.

To clarify the last paragraph: the article for the subgenre Experimental hip hop was written by some random single-edit user who seems to have based it on an AllMusic webpage describing what's the site deems as Left-field hip hop. Meanwhile the Acoustic hip hop article is essentially just some made up genre by yet another random single-edit user with little to no verifiable sources to support it. Ascribe4 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ascribe4: - sorry, I'll need more of a pointer - general response to the questions where? If it's general to more than one AfD at least give me a couple or I can't put the discussion in context

I understand your points that you're trying to make as regards the latter AfDs, but I'm not participating in them (I may, but not at this point). You need to be careful about pointing out an AfD to someone not currently participating in it - it's viewed as canvassing and frowned upon (in the sense that if you have 5 friends you can "win" 80% of AfD discussions) Nosebagbear (talk) 17:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Fairness Project

Appreciate your creating and leading the Wikipedia page for TFP. I want to flag that we had a number of campaigns last week, I wouldn't want to influence any writing about it, so will leave it at that.

--Jonathanchad (talk) 19:23, 14 November 2018 (UTC)j[reply]

Hi @Jonathanchad: - thanks. I had assumed that TFP would have participated in some of the ballot campaigns and had added it to my list of tasks to cover, I should cover it in the next week or two (that will let some more articles be written about the successful proposals, which will help the writing). Nosebagbear (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathanchad: - took a little longer than planned, but I finally added the material a couple of days ago. I suspect another year or so and I (or someone else) will have to resort it if the sections get too big. I have also recommended the article for "Good Article" standard, though that will take a few months at a minimum. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please Lock some high schools for me if you can.

Hello, I know that I have been messing with some wiki pages but I am seeing a severe problem here. People have been changing the names and texts on my local high schools and lots have been offensive to others and some have directly bullied my friends. If you could lock these pages for a while that would be great. The high schools are Mount Notre Dame High school, Moeller High School, St. Xavier High school, and Ursuline Academy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reeeemanwatchamean (talk • contribs) 21:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Reeeemanwatchamean: - I have submitted a protection request for St Xavier's, someone else has requested protection for Moeller & Mount Notre, there are lots of Ursuline's so you'll need to tell me which one is the issue. There's a bit of a backlog so it may take an hour or two (or 1 minute, depending on who notices first) for the protection to filter through.

Messing with articles is a fairly poor way of helping since it leads to you being blocked fairly quickly which makes it harder to get people to listen to you. If you need some help in the future with people editing articles etc have a look at The Teahouse - it's got lots of editors who help newcomers. Obviously you can undo any vandalism yourself (if you don't add some yourself) but they can help with a more lasting issue. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursuline_Academy_(Cincinnati,_Ohio) that is the page and thanks a ton.

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Draft page: Marina Jirotka

Hi - thank you very much for reviewing my draft article. I apologise for the copy-pasting - am new to this (clearly) and still learning the ropes. Very much appreciate you pointing me in the direction of the Teahouse too. I will revisit my draft.
thanks again Carolyn 09:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Octaviapink (talk • contribs)

@Octaviapink: - no problem, and apologies that the copyright template comes across as so cold - I'm also happy to answer some other questions you have, though the teahouse is usually pretty quick Nosebagbear (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear:I appreciate you removing the copyright-violation notices from the page history too. The current draft was written from scratch so should be more acceptable, I hope! Octaviapink 09:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Please let AfDs run for 168 hours plus

Having observed Jovanmilic97 not letting AfD's run for 168 I got the hint you may also be re-listing early; and on one example I checked I think this was the case. I put this comment on their talk page Please let discussions run for the full 168 hours before relisting per WP:NotEarly. There is no rush to get there first and it is better practice to given an opportunity for an admin to get in there first in case they wish to a contribution. I suggest running a UTC clock on your screen ... Preferences (breadcrumb) - Gadget (tab) - Appearances (section) - Add a clock ... (checkbox). Its better to mop up for re-listing after 8 or 9 days than rushing to relist before anyone else does it; and to give enough time for later relists for Admins to make a decision. Thankyou. and it may be helpful for you too. You may also wish to read other comments on their talk page as well in case they are relevant for you also (to be frank I haven't checked). Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2018 (UTC) Please note that conversation is no longer on their talk page.Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Djm-leighpark: - I do run a UTC clock (mainly to adjust for time-zones, but it serves this purpose too) - please do point out if I've under-7ed anywhere, since I'll need to check how I'm doing that. The "leave to 8/9" area I can concede makes sense in some set-ups, but not in others. In almost all cases where it does have significant validity to it I wouldn't be closing/relisting anyway since they would line up with other controversial aspects (and thus not suitable for NACCLOSE). Other comments on the editor's talk page are not applicable since I never issue a 3rd relist (agreed to be a non-non-admin no-go) nor do I revert relistings myself since it causes problems. In the one occasion where I have incorrectly done so (specifically, that I've noticed) I've apologised to an AfD admin and asked them to handle to avoid the knock-on issues.

Additionally, I would view it as more polite in the future if points could be made to me rather than a direction to another talk you've had elsewhere that may or may not have relevance. As one of my most active "small a" adminstrative areas I actually enjoy discussing issues with my closes/relistings, but directly relevant points or examples are needed if I'm to avoid future problems. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies ... no intention to upset you. I read it as someone pointed out you were under 168 hours on the other talk and claimed to be following your lead (if I red their comment correctly) ... and the one AfD I checked out you were under (assuming I can add up which I don't always). A couple of other times I raised this some were unaware of the UTC clock and I can appreciate it can help if your are not on or near GMT/UTC. A few bits of minor chaos on the AfD mentioned on the other talk not relevant to you ... beginning to do my head in some way. Best regatds Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for Your Help

I am very thankful to you for guiding me with Draft: Government Boys Higher Secondary School, Saagri. According to your advice, I removed all copyright issued topics and added some more references to it. Again, A great thanks to you for helping me. I hope that you will always be there for me to help where I will need. God Bless You.Raja Atizaz Ahmad Kiyani (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of Fealty

Hi. I defer to you regarding the Mark Lindquist Law Career. (I have nothing to do with the Writing Career content.) There are a lot of threads involved here, and a lot of history.

BLP has particular NPOV sourcing standards that ARE MET in this article, but I've paid particular focus to the rulings of judges (as reported, as credible third-party reporting of any court determination is a requirement for a BLP). On that standard, the first three sections (based on rulings of either high courts or multiple judges) meet a bar that the last two sections (Wikipedia blanking and lying about cold cases) do not. However, removing ANY NPOV source from this page risks [false] criticisms that NP:POL is not met. It is met! What do you think if I boiled those last two sections into a few words with two citations, perhaps around some kind of "public image focus" section? Perhaps aggregating into the "hundreds of press releases" section somehow.

I can shorten this whole section but the rulings of highest bodies (state supremes, state bar) are central to democratic, neutral evaluation in ways I pray Wikipedia embraces. The subject had an enormous quantity of public visibility that was partly incompatible with his duties to the court as a lawyer. That's what offends the lawyers I've spoken to. He became the focus of award-winning investigative reporting. His ill-conceived legal choices set national precedents (at best) and jailed a citizen for 8 months without evidence (at ghoulish worst). Democracy calls for a continuum of information, with a bar met more and more strongly as stronger and stronger sources say it more and more clearly. If the subject's law career can be condensed and summarized further, I embrace the principle that the best sources need the greatest defense. The underlying reporters are great, but when they're citing high courts, that's greater. I am disturbed if Wikipedia doesn't prioritize embrace high court verdicts seen through the lense of independent, NPOV journalists as among the most valuable assessments of neutrality in point-of-view.

The reason I defer to you is for your expertise, neutrality, and apparent commitment to the documentation goals at issue in this BLP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 19:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcfnord: - hmm, that was a tad dramatic, but I'll attempt to give my thoughts.

So it's not necessarily that we disregard the sourcing strength of the high court rulings (they would be judged to be independent primary sources, which is a relatively rare combination - similar to journal articles), it's maintaining obediance to no original research. This means that specific facts can be cited from them, but no interpretation. So obviously they support "this was legal, this was not, this was allowed in etc etc" but unless the judge says "you were bad" etc, it can't be used in that sense.

When you say the last two sections (Staffer and credit) aren't met by non-NPOV sources what do you mean? I would say they are met. Where non-NPOV isn't met, mainly, is the fact that he has done positive things in his legal career etc, but in effect all the negative news about his non-writing career has been included, and the rest hasn't - rather than what is actually present is wrong. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

mcfnord sez:

Today I read the Wikipedia of a 4x cop-killer. People did not fault the page due to absence of nice words about the cop-killer. He is dead, so he's not a BLP. I would like to see BLP about notorious criminals, to examine the degree to which positive things they've done get found and included. Or the BLP of other politicians who got into trouble. Any names come to mind?

What I'm saying about the last two sections is that they do have NPOV sources, but unlike the other 3 sections, those NPOV sources aren't referencing even-more-NPOV court judgements. (And though they are about the deeds of a prosecutor, they don't involve legal decisions.) All 5 sections comply with BLP rules, but 3 of the 5 are rooted even more deeply in the important democratic mechanisms (and NPOV venues) of court rulings, which you call "independent primary sources". The rulings of these bodies seem most notable in my (naive) view.

So while "text messages could be evidence" is there in the source, it's sort of speculative and sort of less-NPOV than the rulings. Why speculate about some negative thing? I thought you'd agree. I have much to learn.

14 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.214.22 (talk)

@Mcfnord: - so long as the paragraphs have a reliable secondary source, they aren't obliged to add the actual court rulings (they can be, but there's no requirement for that to be the case) - their sourcing requirements are perfectly well satisfied. "Text messages could be evidence" is very Neutral (the key bit of NPOV), as it states the possibility of it without actually deciding one way or another. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

mcfnord sez:

I want to disagree with you here in some detail.

About the text messages as evidence, the plaintiff can use the text messages to wallpaper her office if she likes, but until that resource drives a verdict, it's not as valuable to Wikipedia. Maybe I think that based on my verdicts focus. The BLPPRIMARY warning is interesting. I think it's a little mistaken. Court documents are all equal in this extreme warning. They say "don't use trial transcripts and other court records to support assertions about a living person." A trial transcript means nearly nothing, but a verdict of a trial is extremely different. In that case, we use a verdict whenever we say (as we do for Manafort) that so-and-so is a felon. That can Only be said because it's in a verdict. I've tried to take that further: If two judges say it, or a higher court, definitely YES examine that. At one point I found Wikipedia's citation template for court verdicts... so I think it's considered an A+ NPOV source, even in a BLP. But the way it works out, if a verdict is important, it hopefully gets exactly what the cautionary note does seek: an independent journalist covering the verdict.

I'm a newbie being a real Poindexter here, but I miss the other thing you rolled back. What do you think of this, instead:

"Lindquist's statements on Nancy Grace, a national television program, about the accused during a trial in progress earned a rare admonishment from the Washington State Bar Association." -- it really boils a lot of legalese down in incredibly neutral terms, yes? Maybe? This sentence is probably the most enduring in the topic, so it'd be great to just say it right and clearly and helpfully and succinctly one time.

I have pondered your view that well-researched content is generally worth saving. (Your page says you hold this view, and that it's a sort of political position about Wikipedia.) I think you saved the ML page because you do hold this view. But discussion points toward this section getting revised rather than removed, and I'm trying to boil down the somewhat complicated facts by setting the highest bar we can imagine for what facts are kept. That seems to contradict your general rule of thumb about nurturing all well-researched content. I do think the antidote to an attack perception will be a terser section that is even more scrupulously sourced and just plain well-written.

Also, I want to create a page about the Ted Natt First Amendment award. Should I start a new section on Ted Natt first? It's a relatively new award in journalism issued yearly by the AP in honor of this journalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 01:45, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcfnord: - so to answer your easiest question first, the Ted Natt one - yes, that's definitely the way to go, if it becomes giant it can always get its own article. Nosebagbear (talk)

I think trying to boil down the facts by setting an extremely high barrier, even beyond the high level we set for BLPs, is functionally removing information that the community-consensus has designated should be included.

So the current top line of that section (I assume we're not changing the bottom, or at least I don't think it should) "Lindquist's statements on Nancy Grace, a national television program, about the accused during a trial in progress triggered misconduct proceedings for risking the heightening of public condemnation. Linquist [sic - spelling to fix!] admitted accidental breach of the code of conduct and received an association admonishment." -

I'm not against a rephrasing of it, but it is definitely key to include that he admitted only an accidental breach, how about:

"Lindquist's statements on Nancy Grace, a national television program, about the accused during a trial in progress earned a rare admonishment from the Washington State Bar Association, Lindquist admitted an accidental violation of professional conduct rules." Nosebagbear (talk) 10:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice warning

You reverted my attempts to follow policy Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Lindquist, that results in an article existing against policy specifically WP:Attack page. I will revert your good faith edit that does not need consensus (please see the policy) and actually was grounds for article deletion from the start. "If" you want to improve the article then use the talk page to gain consensus to add the controversial content per policies and guidelines that are covered by WP:NPOV as part of the Five pillars. Your "jumping" on the revert was while I was changing my !vote and giving rationale would have valid reasoning, "except" you didn't give me time (there must be a critical timeline I missed), to finish showing that according to the above policy on attack pages there does not need to be "consensus". If you revert again we can go from there. Thank you, Otr500 (talk) 13:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Responses to Signpost Interview

Hi Nosebagbear.

Thanks for responding to my questions. I'm assuming your response here is final, but if you do wish to respond further, please do it by December 20. Thanks again, programmingGeek(talk, contribs) 02:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cary Moon and Alex van der Zwaan

Hi again. This person, Cary Moon, maybe is an AfD. Would you nominate her? I could write up an explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 01:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcfnord: - Not an immediately bonkers AfD proposal, so if you write me up an AfD proposal I'll post it. You will then need to "vote" (which the nom doesn't normally do). I may or may not cast a vote. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I have a soft spot for local activists. I'd like to explore AfD for a person noteworthy for one event. What about Alex_van_der_Zwaan ? He should be folded into the coverage of the Mueller investigation. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 03:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcfnord: - so when doing the initial assessment the relevant bit to look at here is WP:BLP1E. Have a read of the three criteria and let me know what you think. There are then some other things that are worth considering if that barrier is crossed. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:43, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK! Check out my pitch for AfD: Alex van der Zwaan] is noteable only for one event (WP:BLP1E). He has no visibility before or after this event, because he's a low-profile individual (WP:LOWPROFILE). A low-profile individual is someone who has been covered in reliable sources without seeking such attention, often as part of their connection with a single event. This subject meets the three conditions for WP:BLP1E. While the investigation that caught him is significant to the history of the nation, this individual's role in it was minor. Because he is noteable only for one event, he now has a pseudo-biography (WP:PSEUDO), his name should just redirect to the event article.

I'm not sure what you're saying in the Alex van der Zwaan history, but I do think you're saying: Migrate what's noteworthy about his involvement in the investigation, so the case for deleting his BLP page is more straightforward. Is that right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 06:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is the place where maybe the many details pertaining to the crime should appear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)#Alex_van_der_Zwaan Does that sound right to you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcfnord (talk • contribs) 20:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcfnord: - that's a reasonable location. You'd have to make a judgement as to whether it needed some additional content. Then you can set in motion a discussion on the talk page on whether to redirect. (You can start with a BOLD redirect if you'd like - if no-one changes it back you can skip the discussion stage). Nosebagbear (talk) 20:26, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Holidays! I randomly ran across Draft:Amini Cishugi and was just wondering about a few things. I noticed that the draft has been declined several times and then that you were involved. Notability appears to be an on-going issue which at first perplexed me but upon looking a little closer I observed some things and thought I would check with you.

The subject is self-published, Kobo, Wattpad, Smashwords, and Lulu, that is on the Wikipedia black list and attempting to link to it triggered a protection filter. I did notice all seem to be considered "notable self-publishing companies" but that can be subjective. A problem I have is that they are still self-publishing vehicles and considered references to avoid. At the very least they would not be ideal for presenting notability. IMDb is used as a reference. The Barns and Noble source on Mon copain de New-York City ("My boyfriend from New York City") listing The true story of Anna Beckinsales Marie as the second of the literary saga, but this just lists an ebook that again circles to the self-publishing. A Google books search did not result in any hits. I tried to find information on "Anna Beckinsales Marie" (based on a true story) without any luck.

I can see that self-published authors can become notable. When I performed a Google search on Amini Cishugi it returned his facebook page, IMDb, Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Fandom (user created), and Music in Africa, that additionally presents the subject as a rapper. These returns don't appear to show notability even on the web. I guess I could be considered a deletionist but actually I am for all notable inclusions. I do feel that everything in the world does not warrant a Wikipedia article. I am not trying to present arguments of "how you are wrong", as your user page lists you were the "staunchest of inclusionists" and now a "centre-inclusionist", but am just wondering your rationale, to "natter you on the subject". Otr500 (talk) 14:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Otr500: - I submitted it at the request of a user who was wondering why it wasn't being re-reviewed (which was because it hadn't been re-submitted). It's fairly rare for us on the help page to decline submission assistance requests, even if an article has been rejected, so long as it is only for notability reasons. The time lapse as well made me, somewhat lazily, at least feel it had a chance of getting through. Having now taken a more detailed look at its history, and lack of edits since, that seems unlikely but we shall see.

As such, I don't have a rationale for "why I think it was notable", as it was purely a procedural submission on behalf of another. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That does clarify things so thank you, Otr500 (talk) 16:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: "Andrzej Sztando"

Dear Nosebagbear You negatively reviewed my article "Andrzej Sztando". You said that this submission appears to be taken from http://www.ue.wroc.pl/pracownicy/andrzej_sztando.html. You said that Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. But have you found that there is statement on this page: "All the content of this page is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0" ? This text is written in 3 places on this page. Is it not enough? Few minutes after your negative decision our "friend" Justlettersandnumbers deleted my article. It was 50 hours of work... Can you explain this situation and help me please? Can you undelete this article please? Thank you Iszop63 (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Iszop63: - Hi there. I see that your draft has been recreated, which is good - as the admin noted, you're free to duplicate information from a site that uses that license, however you need to attribute it in-wiki which has now been done so it shouldn't reoccur. My apologies for not spotting the in-source license and adding it myself - the plagarism software we uses filters to the clashing details, so I didn't spot it. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: - Dear Nosebagbear. Thank you very much for explanation and for your instant answer and help. I really appreciate it. I'm sorry I forgot to add necessary attribute. I will remember it in the future. Could you please check if my article is now fully OK, and if I can resubmit it? Thank you once again and Happy New Year! Iszop63 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]