User talk:Narky Blert/2017

Breaking table on List of Interstate Highways in Illinois

This edit] breaks the table as it re-added a tag into a template parameter that can only accept a single number. Furthermore, the link generated by the templates is valid and should not be considered a dab link at all. Imzadi 1979 → 01:51, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Imzadi1979: If the template can only accept a single number, that is a problem with the template. User:DPL bot reports that link as an error, every day, and will continue to report it as an error, every day, until it is fixed. Along with the 40,000 others which WP:DPL team members are trying to fix. Narky Blert (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

The template parameter is for the number of the highway to list in that row of the table. {{dn}} is not part of any highway's number, ergo it does not belong there. Adding that tag causes the table to break by linking to [[Interstate 494 (Illinois)[disambiguation needed]|I-494]] and to attempt to call a graphic by the name of File:I-494[disambiguation needed]/svg. I have fixed the situation though by pointing Interstate 494 (Illinois) to the primary topic instead of a DAB page, so your bot will remove the list page from its report. However, in the future, you should be mindful that when dealing with tagging templates, maybe you should have tagged elsewhere, like maybe in the |notes= parameter to attach the maintenance tag in a place that doesn't break things. Imzadi 1979 → 02:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Sandra Landy

Thanks for the article. On reading of her death, I'd intended to create one myself, but you beat me to it. I may be able to add a few things to it from the obituary that appeared in today's Daily Telegraph. JH (talk page) 18:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jhall1: A sad loss; I learned through Bridge Winners, looked for her article, and there wasn't one. Yes, please help improve it. Things I know to be lacking include her Oxford and Cambridge colleges, and mention of Bridge for All and Standard English, which aren't in the references I found. Narky Blert (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I've been able to add Bridge for All, but her Telegraph obit doesn't mention which colleges she attended or Standard English. I've just looked her up in the OEB, but (at least in the edition that I have), though it had a lot of details about her playing career and positions held in the EBU, it didn't fill in those gaps either. In the early '70s, I played against her in an early round of the Gold Cup. Not surprisingly, we were heavily beaten. JH (talk page) 19:35, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I found her Facebook page, which for now is still up. On it, she says that she was at St. Anne's College, Oxford, but I don't think Facebook would be acceptable as a citation. I've had a look on the college's website, but unfortunately she isn't listed among their distinguished alumni. JH (talk page) 20:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jhall1: I've added a request for help about colleges to the Talk Page - there are two categories and two notable alumni pages which could use updating.

I can't recall ever playing against SL; certainly not at knockout, but possibly at Brighton.

Standard English may need some digging into old EBUMags. Thoroughly sensible and playable system, which I've agreed to play in at least one ProAm club event (and also used a time or two when it was my turn to act as spare player/host at the local club, even though partner didn't know that I was doing so). Narky Blert (talk) 21:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

As you've probably seen, I did eventually manage to find a usable reference for her Oxford college, though it's less than ideal. But still nothing for Cambridge. I would think a web search for "Standard English Landy" would be likely to turn up something. And thanks for the Barnstar. JH (talk page) 21:54, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

For Standard English, see here: [1]. I'd add it to the article myself, but I'm just off to bed. JH (talk page) 22:04, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks. I noticed today that there's some more stuff on the EBU website: an autobiographical piece by Landy herself (which I suppose might not be usable under Wikipedia rules) and her Brighton Argus obituary, which might well have some useful information in it. When I can find time I'll take a look. Also Shireen Mohandes, who writes some excellent articles on the history of British bridge, emailed me today, having spotted that I'd made use of an article of hers for the Paul Stern article. She's just getting into Wikipedia, and could be a very valuable recruit. JH (talk page) 19:22, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@JH: The article is unrecognisable compared with the stub I started: it's looking very good indeed. The piece by Landy herself could be included as an External Link at least.

I once gave Shireen an anecdote, which she used in one of her articles. She posted on Bridge Winners today asking about Wiki, and I'm giving her every encouragement. She asked for my email addy, and now has it. Any recruit to WP CB is welcome, and she could indeed be very valuable.

FYI, I recently turned Vienna System from a redirect to Congress of Vienna into an article. Would you believe that I once played it for a season? Narky Blert (talk) 19:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow! You and your partner might have been the last people ever to play it. Apart from Acol, the only system I've ever played is Precision. I think I'll have to start following Bridge Winners. JH (talk page) 20:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@JH: I plead youth (it was 1970), inexperience, ignorance, perversity, and folly. It was a terrible system, but surprisingly effective against players who didn't know how to defend against something legal but weird. However, there is or was a strong Essex husband-and-wife pair who play or used to play a homegrown system with 1N as the forcing opener - I once got called up as last-minute sub into their Spring Fours team to play with an occasional partner (playing Acol, I need hardly add). IIRC we got through to Sunday evening, and I had to phone the boss at home to tell him I might need to take the Monday off. (Not needed - EBU GM partner played like a drain - 2N-3N on a hand where 6m on the 4-4 was hugely good, was making, and would have scored more than the losing margin. At least I didn't have to pay the entry fee.)

<ducks>Precision (which I've played) is basically Nottingham Club with advertising and a few gadgets.</ducks>

I strongly recommend BW, if only for the opportunities it provides to tease Americans and 2/1 players. A couple of Brits whose names you will doubtless know (I exclude mine) do exactly that. Narky Blert (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

No need to duck. ISTR reading about Nottingham Club many years ago, and being quite impressed by it. I've now joined BW. I think I've worked out who you must be there, assuming that you were one of those commenting on Shireen Mohandes' post asking about Wikipedia, though I could be wrong. JH (talk page) 21:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@JH: You're probably right ;-) - and I hope you like BW. (A onetime partner, who has understandably emigrated to Australia, pointed me to the site just before the 2016 BB, at which time some of the threads were notably serious...) Narky Blert (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Éditions Julliard

Hi and thanks for your correction re Julliard instead of Éditions Julliard (in Salle Huyghens). My bad. I once thought the link was ok and since then have perseverated in my mistake. End result is I've left behind maybe 100 times the same inappropriate link. Do you think it would be possible for a bot to correct the error? If not I will, each time I will tumble over one of these and of course won't do the mistake again. Thanks for your help, LouisAlain (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Salut @LouisAlain:! No worries and no problems - that was the only incorrect link to Julliard. If there were any others, another WikiGnome has already fixed them. (I haven't checked the history, but one possibility is that at one time Julliard redirected to the publisher; and an editor decided that it should be a disambiguation page, made the change, and tidied up behind them. I did a similar thing once - I'd created 250 bad links, so it was my duty to repair them.)

"Not making the same twice" is one of my goals too - it isn't an easy one to achieve. Narky Blert (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

LouisAlain (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAlain: - as a remarkable coincidence, I've just discovered that Gallimard redirects to the publisher, which is exactly what I would I would have expected from my English POV. However, Éditions Gallimard didn't point to Gallimard (disambiguation), where you can find both Gaston himself, and Jeunesse Gallimard; it does now. Narky Blert (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

As a matter of fact I had noticed this curiosity some times ago and yet never failled to fully link to Éditions Gallimard (one never knows...). Now, I've beefed up Gaston Gallimard a little bit with InfoBox, 1 category, external links, list of works. There is much left to be translated though. Maybe someday I'll return to it; LouisAlain (talk) 22:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

End of story: I mistook Éditions Julliard for Fayard (too much cognac before my afternoon nap) which indeed is a correct link that leads to the publishing house. So there aren't 100 wrong links left behind. All is well that ends well. LouisAlain (talk) 12:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

A page you started (Keighley (disambiguation)) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Keighley (disambiguation), Narky Blert!

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@JustBerry: - TY for the TY! us WikiGnomes appreciate them :-) Now, back to see if I can fix a few more of this lot... (Up next, #15558 Kilkenny (disambiguation).) Narky Blert (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Surely. If you need pages to be patrolled, feel free to drop me a line. --JustBerry (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@JustBerry: - TY for the offer, but I'll take my chances on the few articles I do write. I've lost (I think) two after WP:AFD for failing WP:GNG - fair enough, there's an essay somewhere which says do your best, write the article, and accept WP:CONSENSUS if you lose an AFD debate. (And, as my gloss, if you do: remove redlinks left behind.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh well, it happens. --JustBerry (talk) 21:57, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@JustBerry: - (shrug) - indeed, it happens. Sometimes, I've felt I didn't know whether or not a topic was notable before I'd done the research - or, sometimes, even after. My motto, as an inclusionist: if in doubt, do your best (that is of course the important bit), post, and let AFD sort it out. OTOH, I've written an article or two where I'd felt nervous about notability, but which were rapidly accepted by experienced WP:NPRs. Narky Blert (talk) 22:41, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	For your humorous comments. Bearian (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Bearian: - I don't often engage in WP:AFD debates. They are hard work, or should be. But that one was a large slow-moving target.

Wiki is far too serious a project to lose one's sense of humour. Some of my favourite finds:

1. from an ancient AFD: "This article has more redlinks than Lenin's watchchain" (I'm going to steal that one)
2. found while resolving an ambiguous link to a DAB page: "X holds cult meetings at his [impeccably mainstream] church every Tuesday"
3. Google Translate from Japanese may not be completely reliable: "My wife, Mr. Y, is an imposter"
4. One of those impossible-to-edit multi-level multi-purpose over-complicated Wiki templates: "Made in Europe" in an article about manufactures resolved to Made in Europe (I posted the problem on the Talk Page, I was laughing too hard to risk doing anything more)

I'm closing in on you on WP:NOE... Have you ever considered adding {{WikiGnome topicon}} to your User Page?

Yrs :-) Narky Blert (talk) 01:11, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hutton

Hello. I've only just seen your edit at Talk:Hutton Gate railway station - I wasn't watching it for a while. I find that I am wondering if we would almost have met, or known people in common. I know we shouldn't do too much by way of personal information on here but if I tell you that, once it was built, we lived in Lowcross Avenue? Does that ring a bell?? Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Just a goshdarned cotton picking moment here

Ermmm long shot and feel free to remove this but - again trying not to get into too much personal info here - did you once have a rather nice Saluki? DBaK (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@DBaK: Would that have been a Harry Peacock-built house?

No, never a Saluki. I doubt we met; I spent little time in Hutton Gate. My family lived in The Avenue; one now lives in Thames Avenue. It wouldn't surprise me at all, though, if we have known people in common. Do you remember a diminutive female coal merchant who used to lug hundredweight sacks like they weighed nothing? When she retired, her three strapping sons rapidly decided that the business was too much like hard work, and gave up.

I'll drop a clue: birdwatching, physiotherapy. If that means anything to you, my email is open.

When the RS was first converted into a house, it kept the original ticket hall and window as internal features. IDK if they're still there.

Talking of Hutton and Lowcross, Hutton Lowcross lacks an article. As does Blue Pool, in the forestry - one element in a notable C19 example of hydraulic engineering, for which I once spent 30 frustrating minutes trying and failing to find a WP:RS. Hutton Farm, is it? anyway, to the right of the road between Hutton Gate and Hutton Lowcross. Yrs Narky Blert (talk) 22:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Interesting, nay fascinating, stuff. I think I had better drop you an email on the personal bits. On the article questions, yes, we need those, as we do Hutton Village I feel. When you say Blue Pool do you mean the small dammed lake up the track from the gate opposite the old school (to which I went)? We always called that Blue Lake - to us the Blue Pool was that BL**DY scary thing up on the moors - some kind of disused quarry I think. A huge deep slot in the rock with deep water in and a bit of a vibe. The farm to which I think you are referring was called Home Farm and was farmed by Mr Wilkinson. I was at school with his kids D and G and saw G quite recently as she was standing in the door of one of the Hutton Hall lodges, her home! More by email I think. And yes I thought you were a birder, but physio is ringing no bells. Or Bells. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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Ireland assessments

Please don't use the old redirect template {{WP Ireland}} for WikiProject Ireland assessments but the current {{WikiProject Ireland}} instead. And likewise for any other projects. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 12:48, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reversion of an IP-Vand

   (I just stumbled onto & rv'd an (IIRC) slightly earlier, apparent-PA, one by them. .... Oh, no clue beyond knowing about the centuries-old expression copper's nark.... Any chance that you've done busts u/c while wearing a N.N.E.O.A. lapel pin?)
--Jerzy•t 22:17, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jerzy: "Narky" in the sense of "annoying", "nagging", or "waste of space"; not "grassing up". It may be a northern thing.

IP-vandals annoy the bejasus out of me too. A couple of times, I've had to read back through half-a-dozen GF edits on top of a vandalistic edit to repair the damage. On the bright side: I've seen very few of the SOBs while I've been making lots of WikiGnomish edits; and even fewer who had other surviving posts when I had a look at their activity; (and yet fewer still who did afterwards... ;)). Regards :) Narky Blert (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Notability within bio (more specificallly: application of wp:GNG/wp:BIO against wp:AUTH/wp:PROF...and both vis-a-vis vagaries of actual practice!

I.e. - Is Matthew Grow, editor of The Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846 (The Church Historian's Press, which is an imprint of Deseret Book; 2016), notable? Is Benjamin E. Park, who reviews him here: "The Mormon Council of Fifty: What Joseph Smith’s Secret Records Reveal" (Religion & Politics, September 9, 2016)? Please chime in on a way to determine such questions in a much more consistent manner than at present...here: User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Suggested_fix.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Way too long reply on my talk page

Gave you a way too long reply on my talk page-- notifying here because I'm not quite sure if ping works if you separate the paragraph where you ping from the signature. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for JSTOR link

in 1926 Man note in Grace Mary Crowfoot entry.

The place name should read San Remo, two words, however it may have been added to wiki. John Crowfoot (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@John Crowfoot: I see you've piped the placename - good move. I'd forgotten the name Italian Riviera, much better for English Wiki than Liguria. I failed to find any Wiki links relating more closely to the place where she excavated. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Tana Betrand is up in the mountains and was later used as a hideout by the Italian Resistance fighting the Germans. The entrance to the cave is very narrow and I bottled it as a teenager - three people behind me had to go backwards to let me out.John Crowfoot (talk) 14:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

new images

I see you have been active in editing Lonnie Walker, who played in the 2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game. At Talk:2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game, we are discussing the preferred images for use on WP for the MCD All-Americans.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Username

Okay your username sounds really familiar but I can't place it and google is giving me nothing. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 13:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Google "some of the narky blerts I’ve encountered". ;-) Narky Blert (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. It turns I don't know it. Thanks tho --Jennica✿ / ^talk 13:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

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Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: I regret that I have to say - most of my edits on medical topics have involved slapping {{dn}} tags on ambiguous links to DAB pages. I've seen several hundred of them, which I don't have the knowledge to fix. Editors in human anatomy, molecular biology, genetics, and pharmacology can be seriously sloppy.

There's a recent discussion at Template talk:Disambiguation needed#Proposed addition of a parameter for topic areas. which might interest you. Narky Blert (talk) 23:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

This helps to :-) Have commented at the discussion. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:46, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Plumstead railway station

Please examine what you have done. It's the box in the "Services" section, bottom row, middle cell. How is this constructive? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thameslink (train operating company) links to a DAB page. That violates WP:INTDAB. Which one is it? A link to a DAB page does not help readers. Narky Blert (talk) 23:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know which it is supposed to be, and I'm not going to guess. My point is that your edit messed up the formatting - the previous version showed this:

whereas your version shows this:

Is it useful for our readers to have the wiki markup visible? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Same thing with Stockholm Central Station, your changes there completely messed up the formatting. Don't do that. --Marbe166 (talk) 09:44, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Ständchen, D 889 (Schubert)

Hi, you left a message in an edit suggesting that Ständchen (Schubert) should be an SIA, but what is an SIA? >MinorProphet (talk) 06:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: For SIAs, see Wikipedia:Set index articles. As I understand them (which is not very much), they're a sort of halfway house between DAB and list pages.

The problem is: Ständchen (Schubert) is currently a DAB page, which means that User:DPL bot flags links to it as errors. One way round that, when an article needs to refer to multiple topics, is to link to the DAB page through a (disambiguation) page. That wouldn't work here - a doubly-qualified page title like Ständchen (Schubert) (disambiguation) would be a complete no-no (it's in WP:MOS, somewhere or other).

Ständchen (Schubert) looks like a complete list. If someone rummaging through Viennese libraries and second-hand bookshops ever turns up another Lied with that name (we can only hope), it could be added to the SIA. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I found a couple more titles in List of compositions by Franz Schubert and changed the tag to SIA. So, hopefully  Done. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: - that looks good for another reason also. DAB pages shouldn't include references - but they add real value to that SIA. (I see that you're another LiederNet fan.)

I've taken the {{dn}} tag off D.889.

Schwanengesang No. 4 always makes me chuckle. "Komm’, beglücke mich!" - I can guess what that means...

I didn't know D.635 :-) Narky Blert (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments.

@Narky Blert: Yes, LiederNet is a stunning resource, I don't often fail to find a lyric I was after. With my latest efforts I fear that Ständchen (Schubert) is now somewhat unbalanced, and I'm going to try to split off the relevant notes into Ständchen", D 920 (Schubert). Thank you once again for your help, and sorry for any confusion I may have caused. >MinorProphet (talk) 17:33, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@MinorProphet: D.920/D.921 is a delight, and far too little known. I think you're right - there's enough of a story for a standalone article. (If it were me, I'd include both versions under D.920, and create a redirect from Ständchen, D 921 (Schubert) - and populate it into the same categories as D.920. That's a well-accepted technique for sub-topics, e.g. non-notable songs on notable popular albums. It helps readers navigate, which is always good.)

I've just discovered that Hyperion have uploaded the notes by Graham Johnson from his complete recording.

If you do write the D.920 article, a couple of DAB pages to add it to: Ständchen and Notturno. Narky Blert (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

A fix

Thanks User:Narky Blert for taking time out to edit Maiorana appreciate it. Are you alright to remove sources [1] and [4] and the information relating to them please? As they are unreliable and a removal won't be challenged. Cheers,--Theo Mandela (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: - TY for your kind words. Formatting a reference all the way down to the ISBN is easy if you know how, but learning how to do so is not.

I do not remove info, especially a citation, from Wiki unless I am absolutely convinced after doing my own independent research that it is wrong. If you think that a citation may be unreliable, add an {{unreliable}} tag and post on the Talk Page giving your reasons.

Oh - and it's bad Wikipedia:Etiquette to delete material from another editor's Talk Page. "Editing another editor's signed talk page comments is generally frowned upon, even if the edit merely corrects spelling or grammar." Please don't do it again. Narky Blert (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Multiple filmmakers

Hi Narky Blert, can you help me please with this one? There is an article for "Japanese film director, graphic artist, and manga author" Isao Yamada. The issue is that there are seemingly more important Japanese film directors with the same name but with no article here: one whom I need to red-link and still one with less credits. So the question is, how do I go about naming/disambiguating them correctly (even as red links)? Thanks. Hoverfish Talk 16:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: In addition to your two, IMDb lists Isao Yamada (II). If needed, he could be redlinked as Isao Yamada (composer), because that's all he does and he's the only one who seems to write music.

Isao Yamada (I) is surely the man with the existing Wiki article, Isao Yamada. Wiki - Jouhatsu Tabinikki (The Soul Odyssey: 2003); IMDb - Jôhatsu tabinikki (2003). Anmonaito no sasayaki wo kiita is in both Wiki and IMDb. I found Jōhatsu tabinikki in Takeo Kimura filmography, and its Japanese title is 蒸発旅日記 - there's no article in Japanese Wiki, but it's mentioned in ja:山田勇男, which is the Japanese equivalent of Isao Yamada.

Isao Yamada (III) is the same man also. (Thanks, IMDb - not. An excellent example of why it isn't WP:RS.) Having no Japanese title, I searched the Japanese article for 2014, the year that Sturm Und Drang came out. Google Translate of the relevant bit gave me '"Stolm und Drunk" (2014) 138 minutes / color / HD (Strumm und Drunk Production Executive Committee)' - which is a good enough match for me. (Google Translate from Japanese into English is shaky at the best of times. Throw in the German phrase Sturm und Drang as well, and watch it really struggle.) Wiki isn't WP:RS, of course - but I'm prepared to go along with the idea that the Japanese editor got it right, and that whoever created those two very thin IMDb pages did not.

With any luck, that's problem solved. Only one filmmaker, and no redlinks needed. Thanks, that was fun to sort out!

(If there had been multiple people with the same name, the best way to distinguish them would have been with qualifiers like (filmmaker, born 19xx).) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the great research, Narky Blert! Yep, I think you sorted out the who's-who issue all right. I've seen many flaws in IMDb, but this one was very tricky one. Thanks for the DAB qualifier tip too. I had a vague memory of having seen such a dab before but wasn't sure. Cheers! Hoverfish Talk 20:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: GICH :-) I enjoy disambiguation-type challenges like that one. Got any more?

That type of DAB qualifier often comes up in sports like association football and cricket. IMO it would be a lot better also in film than things like e.g. (director) and (producer) which can overlap. It's more neutral, and goes some way to force editors to choose the correct link rather than the lazy one. It may also be relevant to Indian cinema, where some mononymic actors and singers appear in multiple languages.

I started off thinking - possibly four (or even five?) people, and perhaps only the composer notable? Let's try to tell them apart. Then, I managed to link Isao Yamada and IMDb I. One long career, not two people bolted together in IMDb - down to three. I had written off IMDb III as seemingly non-notable very early on, but a thought kept nagging at me - who is this guy who's come out of nowhere and written and directed a full-length feature with a big cast? where did he find the money? Gotcha! down to two people, and the filmmaker is notable alright. (Oh - and either side of Sturm und Drang in Japanese Wiki is another German title, Der verlorene Sohn (The Lost Son), which made me feel sure I was on the right track.)

My favourite example of Google Translate from Japanese: "My wife, Mr. Yamaguchi, is an imposter". I think I know what was meant, but it was too good a find to investigate further. Narky Blert (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, since you picked up my misses in the Cannes Festival series, I have noted your username, and since I intend to keep plowing through that profusion of Cannes Festival films and directors, I may stumble on another worthy puzzle for you. One thing for sure is that the Isao Yamada article needs some wikifying and I may soon get into the Google Translate from Japanese thing. About the Dab issue in the film industry people, I vaguely remember somewhere in the distant past a WP:Films or WP:Bio decision to put "filmmaker", then there would be "nationality" and then "birth year". So, ten years after my previous go in Films, I was keeping my fingers off the "director" option, but I see it used abundantly, so I used it too a couple of times. BTW, good point you have there about inclusionism, I tend to see it that way too. Hoverfish Talk 23:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: I'm strongly in favour of qualifiers like (American filmmaker) or (British filmmaker) if they help readers easily find the target they want. Whatever is simplest - I was thinking mainly of East Asian names, especially those which might have different ideograms but be transliterated the same way into the Roman alphabet. I suspect that we both dislike unnecessarily detailed qualifiers. Point reader at target? - job done. Next!

I have to say though, that I do dislike ambiguous qualifiers like (director) (company or film?) and (producer) (film or record?).

Between us, we may have discovered that Isao Yamada is a more important figure than his English Wiki article currently makes him out to be.

I confess it - I, too, am a WP:INCLUSIONIST. Narky Blert (talk) 00:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi again and thanks for catching some positives on films and directors again. I have here an inverse puzzle this time, namely, we have a Steve Wang giving two IMDb links, but I have reasons to suspect they are not one person. This is the one that went to Cannes [2] and following links from the other IMDb, here is the other [3]. Visual aside, the two seem to work on very different things. Maybe you can find some more solid evidence. Also, I want you to know that for all the red links I do not include in the Cannes series (to comply with MOS) I keep a backstage lab that you may find useful by means of what-links-here on red links, if you check this, though I imagine you use some state-of-the-art tools to catch these positives and existing reds. Cheers. Hoverfish Talk 19:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I forgot the link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/List of films without article/1990s Hoverfish Talk 19:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: I will have a look, but it won't be today.

My primary interest is in fixing links to DAB pages; my state-of-the-art tools are ones which other editors have created for WP:DPL. However, if I see an easily-fixable redlink, I'll take it on.

Improving articles about the Cannes Festival looks like a really worthwhile project (and I'm not a film buff). I fully agree with you about not redlinking everything in sight - but, are you comfortable with non-English Wikis and the {{ill}} template? Near the top of your list, I found "Overseas (film) (Outremer (film)) by Brigitte Roüan (France)". Here it is fr:Outremer (film) - though I have to say that the French article doesn't fill me with confidence about passing WP:NFILM, except perhaps for that award at Namur. On the other hand, "Am Ende der Nacht by Christoph Schaub" is de:Am Ende der Nacht (1992) - and that article includes three well-sourced reviews. I'm a big fan of linking between Wikis, and that's a topic which I'd be very happy to discuss with you. Outremer might merit no more than ^{([[:fr:Outremer (film)|fr]])}, which would give Outremer ^(fr); but Am Ende der Nacht might merit the full ''{{ill|Am Ende der Nacht|de|Am Ende der Nacht (1992)}}'' treatment, which renders as Am Ende der Nacht, and which will collapse into a bluelink if someone writes the English article. Narky Blert (talk) 20:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: I'm convinced you're right. I can find no connection at all between the two.

The Cannes man is Steve Wang Hsieh-Chih and Steve Wang (IV). The Daughter-in-Law and A ba de qing ren are the same film - just as it says in 1995 Cannes Film Festival, which I checked only after making that connection. Here's the film in Chinese Wiki: zh:阿爸的情人. (Some Chinese editors have a nasty habit of adding phantom InterWiki links. If you click "English" in that article, you get nowhere useful.) He has no article in Chinese Wiki. A Google search for his Chinese name turned up a lot of hits, some of which are to what look like film-related websites. He seems to be active only in Chinese-language cinema, and could perhaps be redlinked as Steve Wang (Chinese filmmaker).

Steve Wang is the Hollywood SFX man Steve Wang (I). Here's his FB page - which says that he's been in Hollywood since 1986, well before the other Steve Wang became active. The links to Steve Wang (IV) and to HKMDB in that article are wrong.

One final piece of evidence: the photos in that Google search and on that FB page are clearly of different people. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Oops, I was busy elsewhere, sorry. Thanks a lot for your time looking it up. I placed a Distinguish2 hatnote, removed the wrong IMDb and somewhere I will create a red link in Cannes, just for the record. Now, about the issue of interwiki links. I have notyhing against it, though I couldn't add this to my editing time. One thing from where I stand, is that an interwiki link to a stub isn't much help, but if we have a developed article, that's another issue. Years ago I was also volunteering for translating, BUT the issue is that some of the other wikipedias don't care a whit for citations, so I would have to do the all the research to justify this in the English side or tag it all as unreferenced. So after a while I quit trying. Hoverfish Talk 15:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hoverfish: YW. It was a well-framed question - saying that there seemed to be a problem but without saying exactly what it was, so that I could approach it with an open mind. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I nominated Wallace Grant at RfD

Hi. I nominated Wallace Grant at RfD, under your nomination of Wally Grant. I hope this is okay with you. Here's the link: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_21#Wally_Grant - Richard Cavell (talk) 16:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• TY, I've posted in the RFD. Narky Blert (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Situation

Hi there NB, from Portugal,

regarding this article/template where you edited (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:F.C._Penafiel_managers), and the subsequent message you sent here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Biantez#Template:F.C._Penafiel_managers), my two cents: yes, the Mr. Lopes in question seems to be this one, attached to F.C. Penafiel yes sir but only as a player from what i can see (see these two links, https://www.foradejogo.net/player.php?player=196812310001&language=2 and https://www.thefinalball.com/player.php?id=26803, both Portuguese like him, no mention of him being a "boss"). Also, from my WWW.FORADEJOGO.NET (Portuguese web as mentioned before, quite reliable per WP standards) browsings, Rui Quinta coached the club in the entire 2008-09 (all 34 games, see here https://www.foradejogo.net/manager.php?manager=80) and the managers in 2007-08 were Rui Bento (six games) and António Sousa (24 https://www.foradejogo.net/team.php?team=23&ano=2008&escalao=0), so no room there for Lopes as well; i took the liberty of removing said entry from the template.

Also, i would not hold my breath hoping to receive an answer from this Brazilian user. In SIX/SEVEN years, he writes no summaries and also does not reply to messages, ever. User:MYS77, his compatriot, can confirm this. Glad i could be of service, message back if you have any doubts or questions... Cheers! --Quite A Character (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Obrigado! Excellent research. It is much easier to add new information to Wiki than it is to correct or to remove wrong information.

In my experience, almost all football websites are very good, even if they don't completely meet WP:RS standards. Everyone wants to get their information right. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

{{dn}} tags on WP:INTDABLINK links?

I noticed here that you added {{dn}} tags to a bunch of links that were intentionally pointed to the disambiguation page (here because they referred to the word itself rather than any specific meaning of the term). Such links do not need to be fixed, so don't need to be tagged for fixing. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@BD2412: - an exonym always or almost always refers to a specific place, rather than being a name used for several different places. (Example: the French exonym for London is "Londres", but for London, Ontario (which has a sizable Francophone population) is "London".) The Venetians were all up&down the Dalmatian coast from around 1400 to 1800, so the exonyms will refer to places - most likely ports - which were important to them; and IMO they do need disambiguating. Unfortunately, neither Italian Wiki nor any of the Balkan Wikis were any help at all in the cases I tagged. Some of the links are just horrible, e.g. Luke (disambiguation) = Lucche - not least because all five places in the Balkans called "Luke" are insignificant villages miles inland (so far inland that I'd hesitate to include any in Dalmatia) - and there seems no reason why the Italians should have heard of any of them.

Further north, the German exonyms for places in e.g. the Czech and Polish lands can be very useful in determining exactly where is meant. I've failed before now to solve problems there for lack of information, but never because of ambiguity. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 19:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Is there some indication of a date limitation on these exonyms? Also, I don't see why Italians wouldn't have exonyms for towns deeper in a neighboring country. There are, after all, Italian exonyms much further afield, for places in Russia, for example. I think that we are safe in assuming that an exonym is about the word, not an ambiguously named place in a country or region full of them. bd2412 T 19:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@BD2412: (1) Dates need sources, almost certainly printed. I'd guess from the late 18th century; that's when several of the German sources are. (2) The "neighbouring country" was infested by bandits, and was part of the Ottoman Empire - with whom the Republic of Venice was rarely on good terms and was often at war. The Venetians kept to coastal towns, or to islands, which they could defend - just as they did in Greece. (The Ottoman Empire in those days was a hostile and expansionist power - they attacked Vienna in 1683.) You'd have been lucky to get out alive from a place more than a few miles from the coast - and there was no reason to go inland, there was neither military glory to be won nor money to be made. (3) Scanning through Italian exonyms, I've heard of most of the places. They're important. I see very few redlinks, except for Libya (Tripolitania) and Ethiopia (Abyssinia) - which were controlled by or were strongly under the influence of Italy until WWII. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them could be clarified using Italian Wiki. (4) As a European, I disagree that exonyms relate to names rather than to specific places. I cannot think of any instance where an exonym does that. "Assuming" is - dare I say it - WP:OR. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Saskatchewan (film)

I've restored an older version of Saskatchewan (film) to undo changes by the Western film vandal. Unfortunately this also reverts a couple of your good edits. I've checked them and I believe you were simply tidying the mess that the vandal added, but please feel free to restore any more significant changes that I've accidentally undone. Thanks, Certes (talk) 10:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Certes: I don't at all mind being reverted if someone is after a vandal; I welcome it. I hadn't come across the WFV nuisance before.

I fix links to DAB pages. I've rechecked Saskatchewan (film) using Dablinks, and it comes up clean. So, no worries. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Celio Secondo Curione

Dear Narky Blert, it is extremely kind of you to mop up my dab failures. You have often assisted me before. It makes the whole task of writing much less stressful and I would like you to know that I am very grateful for it. Thankyou. Eebahgum (talk) 12:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eebahgum: why thank you! That's just the sort of article where readers might want to click on the well-chosen bluelinks, so getting them right can make a quality article just that tiny bit better. It was an interesting little group to sort out - especially Pietro Perna, who wasn't on the Perna DAB page when I first looked at it. (I googled the Latin book title, found it in worldcat - ah, a person, not a place! Then, all I had to do was identify Petrus Perna...) Narky Blert (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Movement Strategy reminder

Hi. You contributed in a previous part of the discussion, so this is just a reminder to you (and any interested talkpagewatchers), that it's the second week of our Movement Strategy Cycle 3 discussion. There's a new topic each week in July, and this week's is: How could we capture the sum of all knowledge when much of it cannot be verified in traditional ways? You can see more details, and suggest solutions or respond to other people's thoughts (from this week and last week) at Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2017. You can also read a summary of discussions that took place in the past week. Cheers. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 03:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Wrong armenian Wikipedia logo

The SVG armenian Wikipedia logo have truncated letters. How can I fix?

--2001:B07:6442:8903:F156:DA41:5FE:5283 (talk) 13:52, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Would you please help us at new page patrolling

Hello ! Would you please apply at New page reviewing rights page. We need helping hands at Newpages feed. Please apply for NPP right as there are 17000 newpages awaiting review we need helping hands there. It would have been a pleasure to nominate a great contributor like you. But unfortunately only the users who want to patroll new pages can apply there so I cannot nominate you. Please apply there we need helping hands at new pages feed. Thank you Anoptimistix Let's Talk 12:22, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

@Anoptimistix: TY for the offer - which regretfully I feel I should decline, even though I recognise the importance of and the valuable work done by WP:NPP. I spend most of my time fixing links to DAB pages - and there are 28,000 of those, with 600 or so new ones appearing every day. I might fix 150-200 on a good day (some of those will need specialist searching skills, including in languages other than English) so it takes a big team effort from WP:DPL to drag the headline number down by even a small amount. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Making Ozark redirect to the TV series instead of Ozarks

I'm aware the Ozarks are rather older than a TV series called Ozark, but I think anyone who goes straight to "Ozark", singular, would be looking for the show, not the mountains. Is it OK to change the redirect?--occono (talk) 20:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@Occono: If you think there's a case for changing the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Ozark, I suggest that you start either a WP:RM or a WP:RFD discussion, and seek WP:CONSENSUS. (1) The redirect has been around since 2005, so there's the time-honoured factor. That doesn't mean it's still right, though. Things change, and 12 years is a long time in Wiki terms. It certainly wouldn't hurt to open a discussion. It could be that the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has changed, or that there is now no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (2) If there is consensus for a change, it will be YOUR duty to fix all the links it breaks. (59 incoming links is nothing, I once turned a redirect into a DAB page, breaking 250+ links...and in the middle of my fixing them, my IP got hit with a WP:BLOCK because of some idiot vandal in the building I live in...it took me an hour or two to find {{unblock}} and to regain the ability to edit articles and so fix the remainder...grr...) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

There's 56 links to Ozark, that aren't the TV show? Is it normal to refer to them singularly? I don't even know where to post those discussions, on the Ozark talk page? Will anyone even see that? I'm in over my head, nevermind.--occono (talk) 21:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@Occono: I have Dark Thoughts about the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC guideline. It suggests that there is always a primary topic, except in very rare cases. I disagree. For a particularly horrible example, see Talk:New York (please don't read all of it, just count the pages of discussion). The primary topic for "New York" was until recently the state. Before it was turned into a DAB page, User:BD2412 found and fixed over 20,000 bad links into it, most (but not all) about the city. The problem with primary topics is, that bad links in never get noticed unless a page has a vigilant curator.

As a similar example to yours, vinyl has recently been turned into a DAB page; it had been since, like, forever a redirect to vinyl group. The change (which I'm certain was the right thing to do) broke 750 links. I got in early, and fixed the ones about chemistry - there were only about 60 of them, every other link had been pointing to the wrong place (they were mostly about gramophone records and floor coverings).

I had a quick look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Ozark. For the moment at least, everything looks OK. Nevertheless, you may be on to something. I suggest that you keep an eye on that link. If it starts to collect too many links about the TV series, get back to me and I will open a discussion. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Saint Dominic in Soriano

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Saint Dominic in Soriano you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of [[User:{{subst:Giteshs78}}|{{subst:Giteshs78}}]] -- [[User:{{subst:Giteshs78}}|{{subst:Giteshs78}}]] ([[User talk:{{subst:Giteshs78}}|talk]]) 02:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi Narky Blert, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Alex Shih^Talk 13:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Alessandro Manzoni as malacologist?

I am dubious that Alessandro Manzoni is known as a malacologist, and the claim that he described several (or any) species is not supported by the citation given. The 2400 years of Malacology paper rather generously and vaguely includes "others with an interest in mollusks" (per its abstract). Even if Manzoni did some academic writing on shells of Elba, it is debatable whether Malacology is a WP:defining trait for Manzoni that merits categorization, inclusion in malagcologists lists, etc. Albert Einstein is not categorized in Violinists, for instance, even though he enjoyed playing. Unless other sources can attest to the importance of Manzoni to malacology (or vice versa), it may be best to downplay or avoid misrepresenting this role, lest a myriad of bots, algorithms, readers, and editors end up perpetuating a weak claim as gospel truth. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Animalparty: - I grow less and less happy with the citation I found. I didn't stop searching when I found it, but nothing else so much as gave a personal initial. The site looks respectable, the identification is precise - but, it feels wrong. Alessandro was in the right place at the right time, but there seems to be no other suggestion that he took any interest in natural history. I suspect that the binomial authority may have been Angelo, who you found.

I'm tempted to WP:BOLDly change the authority links to Angelo, to downgrade the mention in Alessandro's article to "this source says, but..." and to remove Alessandro from both Category and List. I fully agree that hobbyists don't deserve mention in either. Thoughts? Narky Blert (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I fully support removing all categories and list entries referring to Alessandro as a malacologist and removing species authority links until/unless better sources are found. The 2400 Years of Malacology paper, while written by experts, appears to be somewhat self-published, and even taking it at face value may represent an extreme minority view or trivial claim, contra balancing aspects. I'd caution against even explaining "this source says this but...", as potential WP:SYN. Perhaps Italian-speaking wikipedians or others with knowledge of Manzoni can offer clarity.

Regarding the other A. Manzoni, the one more widely known as a naturalist, you may be interested in the Wikispecies page I created, with an obituary in Italian that includes biographical details and a (partial?) bibliography. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:08, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Animalparty: All links to Alessandro, and the sentence in his article, removed. I've added Angelo to List of malacologists as a redlink, with your WikiSpecies article as a pseudo-citation. I also found this 2002 journal article which mentions Angelo. It cites a 1876 publication; the extract from which, while entertaining, adds little more than where he spent his summer holidays in 1873.

Lodovico/Ludovico Foresti, the author of that 1876 publication, seems to have no presence in WikiSpecies or in any Roman-alphabet Wiki; but I found this biography and some of his publications, which might interest you. He described a genus, Gadilina. Narky Blert (talk) 19:31, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

IMAO

LOL! Loved your usage of "IMAO" at the Talk:Artsakh (disambiguation) move request. Made me do a double take because it so closely resembles "LMAO"  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  22:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Hopeless Fountain Kingdom World Tour: Installment One

Hello, I'm OnoRod 93. The page Hopeless Fountain Kingdom World Tour: Installment One arleady exist as Hopeless Fountain Kingdom World Tour. Thanks

@OnoRod 93: Neither of those is my page - the only thing I've done is fix the same bad link to a DAB page on both of them. Narky Blert (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election

Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I want to thank you for you patience and magnanimity in this discussion, particularly encapsulated by your comment "If one editor finds it unclear, it is unclear." Getting consensus on revising guidelines is a tedious job, and you've shown an uncommon commitment to getting it right. Thank you. —swpbT go beyond 12:54, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

@Swpb: TY! My most recent suggested version still isn't right, other relevant issues have been raised which I will need to think through before posting again. (I've spent the last five days offline, sticking pins into a wax effigy of my ISP.) I don't want to overcomplicate; and I think we both agree that getting it right is the only thing that matters, and that making some sort of halfway "improvement" would be wrong.

(I am a retired patent agent. As a class, we despair at most lawyers' draughting skills. I've seen, and eventually recommended for signature for want of any better option, an NDA which was 10 pages long. In contrast, I once wrote one which was 4 lines long, which was dead easy to understand, and which covered everything that mattered. I also recall a telephone conversation with some lawyer after I had suggested a change to his wording. "This obviously means such and such." "So you say. I understand what you have just said. But what about anyone else who reads this document five years from now?" (I won that argument...).) Narky Blert (talk) 21:47, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Újpest (disambiguation) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Újpest (disambiguation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Újpest (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

• I may just be being pedantic - but it's one of only two in the formerly very full Category:Disambiguation pages containing one non-primary topic from May 2017! Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

"Flemish style" in NYC

In discussions of architectural styles in New York City, "Flemish style" would refer to influences from the architecture of Flanders. New York having been founded by the Dutch as "New Amsterdam", architectural influences from the Netherlands are referred to as "Dutch", as in "Dutch Colonial style". Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

(Link to DAB page repaired)

Hi there, it looks like you're "repairing" DAB pages, but your two edits at Gerard have taken a regular WL and changed it to a disambig page, piping it to the original WL, but the disambig page just redirects to the original WL. If it's not broke, what are you fixing by adding unneeded redirects and unneeded piping? JesseRafe (talk) 16:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@JesseRafe: Direct links to DAB pages are errors - see WP:INTDAB. I found Gerard because it was in one of the User:DPL bot reports. (Latest count of bad links to DAB pages, 24,415.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Then move the pages? There's no content at the DAB page, only a redirect, this is confusing to the reader. Occam's razor suggests leaving it be. JesseRafe (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@JesseRafe: A redirect like FizBuz -> FizBuz (disambiguation) is a WP:MALPLACED error.

Quoting from WP:INTDAB, 'the community has adopted the procedure of rerouting all intentional disambiguation links in mainspace through "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects' (emphasis in the original). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Burgervlotbrug - vlotbrug.jpg

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@ImageTaggingBot: As a retired IP lawyer, I fully understand and accept the need for copyright statements and image size reduction.

However, hitting me with this message, causing an edit conflict while I was in the middle of adding the relevant tags immediately after uploading strikes me as arguably a touch over-zealous. I'm no longer a newbie, but this is the sort of behaviour which discourages new editors from improving Wikipedia. Don't bite the newbies. Narky Blert (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@ImageTaggingBot: Even after 100,000 edits, I find the copyright templates almost impossible to understand and to select correctly. It could be just me, but I suspect it might not. The instructions on what you're supposed to do when uploading an image are woeful verging on non-existent. (Don't tell me where to look - I tried once, and couldn't find them. I'm a Searcher, who fixes links to DAB pages. I recall one problem which took an hour's work using Czech, English, German and Polish Wikis to solve. If I can't work out how to upload a photo correctly, how do you expect anyone else to?) Narky Blert (talk) 00:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Electric Jukebox

Hi Narky, you revised my edits to the Electric Jukebox (the product) page and suggested I create a new company page for Electric Jukebox (the company). Happy to do this if you think it's the right thing to do, but it may be easier to group Electric Jukebox (company) with ROXI (current music streaming product by Electric Jukebox) and Electric Jukebox (old music streaming product)? What do you recon? Otherwise I'll need to create new pages for both Electric Jukebox (company) and ROXI (current music streaming product by Electric Jukebox). Whaddaya recon? Cheers. Tho2009 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Tho2009: - you're the expert! Electric Jukebox is a good-sized article, and 406 views in the last 30 days is pretty good too. I suggest adding a section about Electric Jukebox Company at the beginning of it. Readers are more likely to be looking for the product than the company, and they're the people that count. Also, it may be best to put all the information in one place. If the company launches more products still and starts to get news coverage in its own right, then could be the time to split the company info out into a separate article. Use your judgment - if you were a reader who'd just heard the name and wanted to find out more, what would you like to see?

ROXI looks a pretty new product (August 2017?). I'm not sure there's enough WP:RS material yet for a standalone article. A way to build towards an article could be (for now) to add a section about it at the end of Electric Jukebox.

Adding a topic to an existing article if you're not sure about that topic's independent notability is also a good way of keeping out of the clutches of WP:AFD... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2017 (UTC).

Thanks for the tip Narky, the first Electric Jukebox (product) has been replaced by the new Electric Jukebox (company) product which is called ROXI and there's a fare amount of reliable source media coverage talking about it. I'll add in a section at the top about Electric Jukebox (the company) and a topic at the bottom about ROXI as you suggest rather than starting new articles at this stage. Cheers!

un aiuto Sabrina Ferilli, Milena Miconi e Katrin Heß

Buongiorno da Coreca, ti scrivo per salutarti, ringraziarti e sapere come stai. Io sto abbastanza bene per ora, ti scrivo perché ho visto che hai collaborato alla stesura e miglioria di alcuni articoli da me creati o che ho partecipato io. Ti chiedo una piccola cortesia che verrà ampiamente e generosamente ricambiata. Per favore potresti aiutare queste voci, ampliandole la traduzione, e magari aggiungendo anche qualche riferimento? Io ho fatto qualcosa e ho chiesto aiuto qua e la con qualche insuccesso. Se per cortesia tu mi potresti aiutare io te ne sarò grato infinitamente e quello che vorrai vedere tradotto in italiano e suoi dialetti te lo tradurrò. Dal Siciliano al Lombardo, passando per il ligure al napoletano. Nell'attesa di una tua certa risposta ti ringrazio in anticipo di vero cuore. un caro saluto dalla Calabria--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 04:18, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

@Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino: Ciao! I try to improve Wikipedia in any way I can – in all languages. I cannot promise to work on any specific article – I'm a Wikignome, and I spend most of my time repairing mistakes in English Wikipedia. One editor can not do everything.

Those three articles look basically OK. But – don't rely on IMDb! It's full of errors.

I am satisfied with this article which I translated from Italian Wikipedia into English, Maurizio Giglio – che eroe! If you would like to translate an article from English into Italian, with Calabrian importance, look at Saint Dominic in Soriano. (It is always easier to translate into your own mother tongue.) Narky Blert (talk) 05:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Good morning from Coreca, Calabria, I'm writing to thank you and greet you. I told you that even if they look perfect, I'm sure you could do a masterpiece! Obviously your courtesy will be very much appreciated, if you have any request for me in some Italian dialect I will gladly do it. I do not expect much, but only to make me more beautiful and understandable the articles, the rest I will think of asking for help in the world. You are a great wikignome, indeed you are an extraordinary person who knows with diplomacy finding the solution to everything. In the expectation of your answer I thank you in advance for what you can do for me from today on. a fervent greeting from Calabria--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 05:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Khalifa oddity

Thanks for improving Khalifa. I see it is now listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages#Database report. I previewed a null edit and the preview still showed Template:Conceptdab in the transclusion list, even though you already fixed that. Saving the null edit seems to have sorted things out. Certes (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

@Certes: Very odd. Thanks for doing that final bit of cleanup. Narky Blert (talk) 14:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

Hello, Narky Blert. I've seen you editing recently and you seem knowledgeable about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 09:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: TY for the compliment! and for the invitation. I feel that I should decline the invitation for the same reason I gave the previous time I was invited to join WP:NPP. The headline number of 28,000 bad links to DAB pages in July 2017 is now down to 18,800-odd. I'm currently looking at #8,200 in that list, on my second time through it. I think it might be possible to get that headline number below 10,000. I flatter myself that I am one of the handful of regular power users in WP:DPL, see the DAB HoF. If that headline number stabilises at a low level (ha!), I will look for something else Wikignomish to do. It might or might not be WP:NPP, it might be something like sorting out this unhelpful mess. My speciality is multi-lingual searching and linking. Unless I've miscounted, I've now fixed bad links in English Wiki using {{ill}} links to 124 Wikis in other languages. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 23:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like you are better used elsewhere. Keep up the good work. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 01:52, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: Just a heads-up. I see that you've recently issued a WP:NPP invite to User:Headbomb. I'm reluctant to question other editors' activities and motives, but I've come across him before and he strikes me as WP:LAWYERish. He has hit me with 10 (I kid you not) reversion emails in the last 2 days on pages where I had used his own fix to repair errors automatically created by Template:Infobox journal. He then made what look like the right, if thoroughly non-obvious, repairs. I would just have made changes like that silently. Why revert before correcting a change, when the first WP:AGF change did nothing more than fix a spurious link picked up by User:DPL bot and for which the reverter himself had suggested the fix? It's insulting.

See Template talk:Infobox journal for a somewhat overheated discussion, partly at cross-purposes. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up... no idea why he would revert... maybe it makes the repair easier? — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 04:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: "maybe it makes the repair easier?" No. The steps were, in effect (1) |link=badlink (2) |link=badlink |suppressbadlink=yes (3) |link=badlink (4) |link=goodlink. Step (3) involved an unnecessary extra save. (I only revert two types of thing (1) vandalism (strange how often that seems to be by IP editors who have edited no other article...) (2) reversions of me when WP:MOS is on my side and I want to point reverter to the relevant guideline (which will be in my rv edit comment for teaching purposes – I wouldn't want to drop WP:MOS on my foot...). There's also (3), which has happened to me at least once: another editor disagreed with my attempted resolution of a {{dn}} tag, and put the tag back. Fair enough!) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 04:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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Captain Gumbo Songs Category

I feel that this category isn't really appropriate considering it was put on many songs that are considered "staples" and played by pretty much any Cajun band. For example [4]. I can find more than 50 bands that have played this song. I feel that the category would just unduly link many very popular songs to a single band. I understand that they charted with Allons A Lafayette, but I don't think it's appropriate to have this category on pretty much any important Cajun song wiki article. Michael miceli (talk) 02:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Michael miceli: You have raised a good point, on which there seems to be little in WP:MOS except for WP:CATV (which I've only just found, WP:MOS is a doorstop); and I'm beginning to think you may well be right. I'm very reluctant to bloat articles by adding e.g. 'Miscellaneous Band covered "Some Song or Other" on Mostly Forgotten (album)^WP:RS' to evade that guideline. I'm thinking about the issue, and will get back to you. If I conclude that I was wrong, I'll empty the category and {{db-author}} it. Narky Blert (talk) 00:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for being understanding about this. I wouldn't mind if there was a way to categorize articles that didn't involve a long list at the bottom of an article, because it is nice to have so much metadata on an article, but with the way they are displayed on Wikipedia, I just don't think it's appropriate. Michael miceli (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Michael miceli: not at all, thank you for bringing the issue up. I've now ploughed through WP:CAT, and you were absolutely right. I've emptied the category and requested its deletion.

I thought of the "Yesterday" issue. 2,200 cover versions? it would be ridiculous to add all of them to that article.

The one-sentence mention of Captain Gumbo with a WP:RS citation in "Allons à Lafayette" looks correct: charting singles pass WP:NSONG. Basically, it's that single and their one charting album (see WP:NALBUM) which for me get the band through WP:N. Most of the references in the band's article are evidence that something exists, not of the band's notability.

Do you know 78discography.com? It can be really useful in tracking down the release details of 78s. E.g. search this and this and this for Falcon (Cléoma wasn't always credited, hélas). Stefan Wirz is another useful source: he often has pics of labels of 78s, and I trust his info. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Thank you. I agree the single sentence reference on the article is appropriate. Also, thank you for the references that I can use later on! Michael miceli (talk) 15:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Taxa named for Hardy

You may want to try this to get you started, though I assume that they may not all be named for the same Hardy. hardyi Nessie (talk) 14:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nessie: TY! None of them, would be my guess. If the obituarist is right (and I have my doubts), I think they would be species in the Scottish Borders or Northumberland. Alarm bells (1) capital H in a specific epithet (2) biologists don't name species after themselves. Narky Blert (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nessie: LOL! what do I know? Calyptostoma hardii. It may be a junior synonym of C. velutinus, see this book, though I'm not yet sure. I'm still digging.

I'm now pretty certain that the epithet should be hardii. James Hardy's birth name was "Hardie". Narky Blert (talk) 01:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow, you are tenacious! And to think Linnean names were supposed to be easier than common names. Nessie (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nessie: Alarm bells not justified. It looks to me as if in C19 specific epithets sometimes had a capital.

Walckenaer(i)a hardii = Phaulothrix hardyi = Leptothrix hardyi

A six-page obit is nice; but having two major arachnologists (Cambridge and Blackwall) name species in his honour puts to rest any doubts I had about WP:NBIO, especially when one of the specific epithets has stuck.

Phaulothrix is Philipp Bertkau (1885), p.397 here, so that Anton Menge's Leptothrix (1869) took priority.

I don't know my way around {{speciesbox}}. Would you feel like updating Leptothrix hardyi? Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nessie: Three more citations:

Bertkau 1883, not 1885. Link. It's a pdf, search for Phaulothrix.

Phaulothrix Hardii Blackwall = Leptothrix clavipes Menge. Bösenberg (1903). Search for Phaulothrix.

Yet more synonyms.

Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...

Should MoS shortcut redirects be sorted to certain specific maintenance categories? An Rfc has been opened on this talk page to answer that question. Your sentiments would be appreciated!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  17:42, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: I only had to read part of that discussion to realise that I was completely out of my depth. TY for the invitation, but I don't think I have anything useful to contribute (and it would be very unhelpful to post something which was uninformed and wrong). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your consideration and candor, Narky Blert! It's probably not that big of a deal to most editors; however, to me redirect categorization and rcats' providing information about redirect categorization have been the main thrust of my editing for many years. I would, of course, go with any consensus that comes from that Rfc. Happy Holidays to you!  Paine  08:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: I hope that that discussion proves fruitful and ends with a good consensus. I imagine that most if not all of us members of the 100,000 Club spend most of our time doing this sort of important but scarcely visible work behind the scenes. (I fix links to DAB pages, and do associated small copyedit/cleanup jobs.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

O.P.

@Nthep: Rise 1962-67. Narky Blert (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Not an OP myself but I walked past on the way to work for about 10 years. Nthep (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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