User talk:Mt6royal

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I happened to see this [1] edit summary for your edit to Vehicle insurance in the United States. Your edit supported the point made higher up in the article and was sourced. However, in principle, another editor might see fit to edit or remove the edit in order to improve the article. In such a case, it would not be vandalism, and you shouldn't try to pre-emptively make an edit stick by labeling any dispute with that edit as vandalism. Vandalism often involves the word "poop" or something similar. Good-faith disagreement is not vandalism, and it's always better to avoid using that term unless it's clear-cut graffiti rather than a disagreement. Hope this helps, happy editing! Acroterion (talk) 02:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)And in my opinion, deleting legitimate arguments against mandatory auto insurance, intentionally, constitutes vandalism. The section on arguments against mandatory auto insurance is a joke and will remain a joke if legitimate arguments are intentionally removed (which looks to me like vandalism according to Wikipedia's definition of vandalism that you have quoted me.)[reply]

According to the definition of vandalism, anything that diminishes the integrity of Wikipedia is defined as vandalism. In the web page on United States auto insurance, arguments against compulsory auto insurance, the paragraph does not contain any of the various arguments against mandatory auto insurance (hurts the poor, is very difficult to enforce, costs a lot of money, innocent people get cited, insurance companies do not want to insure high risk drivers, etc). My edits were deleted and I do not know why they were deleted or who did the deleting. I have studied mandatory auto insurance laws since 1980 (over 30 years) and have much expertize in this area. I am a college graduate, and have attained straight A's while in college. If Wikipedia is going to stand behind someone who makes a mockery of the section "Arguments against mandatory auto insurance" and refuses to allow legitimate arguments, to me that is diminishing the integrity of Wikipedia and fits the definition of vandalism given by Wikipedia. How does Wikipedia know that the person deleting legitimate reasons for arguments against mandatory auto insurance isn't a proponent of the law who just doesn't want anyone to see the arguments against mandatory auto insurance? I do not think Wikipedia should allow people to delete legitimate material without valid reasons for the deletion. So who deleted my additions, and why? Doesn't Wikipedia have and referees? I don't see anything on the costs of liability insurance. I think I will insert that and someone who simply does not like seeing the cost will edit it out, simply because he does not like the addition. To me that is diminishing the integrity of Wikipedia and vandalism. The section indicates Virginia and New Hampshire do not require everyone to have liability insurance. What has that got to do with arguments against mandatory auto insurance?Mt6royal (talk) 15:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)The section is a joke.[reply]

Here is the definition of vandalism on Wikipedia from WP:VANDAL:

"Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page."

"Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. Careful consideration may be required to differentiate between edits that are beneficial, detrimental but well-intentioned, and vandalizing. Mislabelling good-faith edits as vandalism can be considered harmful."

New editors often confuse good-faith disagreement with vandalism. That is why I left my note, I do not want to see you go down the path of labeling a content disagreement as vandalism, which usually ends badly. Please remember that the collective, community-based ethos of Wikipedia encourages the examination and occasionally ruthless editing of everyone's contributions, and what may seem self-evidently valuable to you may not be for others. Posting a summary that any disagreement or removal will be construed as vandalism isw contrary to that ethos. Please see WP:OWN for more on why editors do not own articles or edits. Acroterion (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has removed your most recent edits. Your 11/11 edits were reverted as "poorly sourced, possibly original research" by another editor: you can see it in the edit history. I again caution you that disagreement over content is not vandalism. I also note that your most recent comment starts to veer into advocacy. Please try to maintain a neutral tone, and please read WP:OWN if you haven't already. My concern here is to head off trouble and to ease your path into editing Wikipedia: this is not an uncritical environment, and you need to be prepared to justify your edits by reference to neutral, third-party sources, and to set your personal opinions and motivations aside. Acroterion (talk) 03:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of Eastern Montana Dairy history

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