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Hello, MrAlanStevens, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{help me}} on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Gronk Oz (talk) 12:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia

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If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

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A tag has been placed on Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://vjmc.org.au/j30/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Gronk Oz (talk) 12:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia

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Hello MrAlanStevens,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Onel5969 TT me 18:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia

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The article Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A7. No indication of importance (people, animals, organizations, web content, events)

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to participate in WikiProject Motorcycling

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Hello MrAlanStevens,

You are invited to join WikiProject Motorcycling. We work together to improve motorcycling related articles. We focus on things like the most popular motorcycling articles, recognizing and improving new articles, historically important motorcycles, and more. Please share your ideas, suggestions, and questions at WikiProject Motorcycling.

For even more ways you could contribute, click [show] to see the To do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling:
Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

WikiProject Motorcycling

To show your membership, you may care to include one of the following templates on your user page
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Adding {{Article alerts columns|Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling/Article alerts}} to your user page will display current motorcycling discussions and proposals. Or add Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling/Article alerts to your watchlist.

--Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:53, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you for the invitation. I don't want to build a Wikipedia profile for myself. I am just trying to state the place of the VJMC in the world of things. I can't manage to get my own page stable on Wikipedia so I think I would be of little use in helping with your other tasks. I am overwhelmed by the complexity of the rules and it's just not worth it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MrAlanStevens (talk • contribs) 01:28, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a new article is a terrible way to begin editing Wikipedia. It's a very common mistake, and it usually ends in tears.I t's much better to start small. You're trying to get your "own page" started, and that's not how it works at all.

It's not your "own page". Any article on Wikipedia belongs to Wikipedia. Anything you write on a Wikipedia article belongs to them, not you. You donated it to Wikipedia by your own choice to help Wikipedia. It's not there to help you, or help a club. See? You need to be here to build Wikipedia. That's what I'm doing. I'm here as a volunteer to make Wikipedia better, not to get something of my own. The website vjmc.org.au belongs to VJMC Australia. That's theirs, and nobody can take away what VJMC wants to say about themselves on their page.

See? Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club - Australia is Wikipedia property. vjmc.org.au is VJMC property. That's how this works. Wikipedia does not owe anybody more publicity. If VJMC wishes to be more famous, they need to get newspapers, magazines, books, and TV or radio to give them attention. That doesn't start on Wikipedia.

As I said, the best way to understand why Wikipedia is as complex as it is is to do some editing, but not on a topic you're invested in. Just some subject you want to learn about or know something about. When you try to figure out how a concept like "anybody can edit" could ever work, then you will see how it got so complex. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:27, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis, thank you for the reply. I understand that you are a volunteer and so will to ignore the "cut and paste" nature of the response and therefore the way it talks down to me. I suggest Wikipedia review pages like "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_Motor_Cycle_Club" or the outlaw club "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanchero_Motorcycle_Club" in light of the comments on the page i tried to establish. I have created 3 pages about 15 years ago, two of which are still there but by the response, it appears Wikipedia has a known member of it's community create the page. Thanks but that won't be me.

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