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Thanks for your help with the new user(s). Your absence on the Yapperbot talk page is conspicuous. Have you lost interest in it? I have not.

Weeks ago you had asked me can you commit to looking into an adjustment to the code so that a cold start after some time offline won't repeat this?

I have not forgotten, and I am still working towards that goal and continue the data analysis. If you review the discussions at User_talk:Yapperbot, you know that I'm not having much luck getting the documentation for the code. So I will have to reverse engineer the code.

It unclear what will happen with the survey. I am open to considering other solutions to the concerns we have raised that have not been addressed, including filing at WP:BOTN.

Would you prefer I notify you about any development rather than ping you in the discussions as I have been? --David Tornheim (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Expulsion of Jews from Spain

As I recall you were involved in this at some point. Did the merge proposal get resolved? Also, if you have time can you look at the last couple of section (conversos on) as I see stuff that could be bad MT or possibly a mistranslation of archaic Spanish, and I think we agree that your Spanish is better than mine? There are also so what flags if you feel moved to pull up the original. I am about to lose my battery but am back to Vichy now — I had to take a break after typing that those who obeyed the summons were exterminated (billet vert) Elinruby (talk) 02:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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New WWII draft

Hi, @FactOrOpinion and JapanOfGreenGables:, I wanted to reach out to you two to see if you'd be interested in working with me on a new article I'm thinking about creating on a World War II topic. I enjoyed working with you on the Flynn case, and although the topic area is quite different, a lot of the skills you used to good effect there would come in very handy here, and there would be new things to do and learn, as well.

It's an important topic of WW II, and French Wikipedia already has an article about it, but we don't. There are bits and pieces of content related to the topic, scattered over half a dozen or more articles on en-wiki (shorthand for "English Wikipedia"). So in that sense, it would be similar to what you were doing with the Flynn draft, finding the right pieces, and stitching it into a smooth-flowing narrative, probably expanding it with new text and references, and making a proper article out of it. I'd provide you with a Draft skeleton, basically all the top and bottom matter, plus a bunch of empty section header titles, suggesting a possible organizational structure for the new Draft (which you don't have to follow, but gives you a jumping-off point).

I imagine there would some translation from the French article, but not a lot; I could do that part myself (unless you have French skills, as well). Most of the work, I think, would be copying stuff over from existing articles on en-wiki, and expanding it. But the whole process is pretty organic, so it might change while under development. You'd have some influence there, as you go, and the organizational structure might end up different from what was first planned.

Where the work would be dissimilar from the Flynn draft, is that the content for that Draft pretty much all came from one source, plus additions to it. In this case, here's a core of half a dozen or so articles out there for starters, that would be the source for the new Draft. Plus, there are probably a dozen or two others that *could* be tapped to contribute to it. So to some extent, the topic could be shaped by what you discover and feel like adding. Fellow editor Elinruby sometimes enjoys working with me on French-related articles as well, and if not too busy, he might be persuaded to join us.

I'm going to be a little cagey about exactly what the topic is for right now, until I have a Draft skeleton ready to go in a couple of days, but it will relate to the history of World War II, and France. Does that sound like something the two of you might like to collaborate with me on? This is a volunteer project, so feel free to say no, or just to ignore this. But I think you would have fun doing it, and I would, too. If you want to wait until the Draft skeleton is ready before responding, that's fine; I'll link it from here when it's available. Mathglot (talk) 04:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad that you think we can provide useful help (speaking just for myself, I still feel like so much of a beginner at all of this). Depending on the particulars of the topic, the topic itself might or might not interest me, but I'm so appreciative of your mentoring that I'd be happy to pitch in at least a bit, especially if it's an opportunity to learn something new about editing here and/or about the norms, rules, etc. Right now I'd mostly like to work on improving the US v Flynn page, as there's a lot of info that I think is significant but doesn't appear in the article yet, but I can pitch in on your project too. My French is very rusty (I had an ILR level of 3+ decades ago after Peace Corp service in a Francophone country, but it's dropped significantly from disuse, though my reading level probably hasn't dropped as much as my speaking level). -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@FactOrOpinion and JapanOfGreenGables:, So, here's the link: Draft:Liberation of France. Not sure how much you know about this topic, but the liberation of France was key to further progress in ending the war in Europe. If you're not history buffs and have heard something about WW2, it's likely "D-day", which was the Allied invasion of Normandy beaches in the north of France by a massive flotilla under the direction of Supreme Allied Commander Dwight Eisenhower on June 6, 1944; still celebrated every year on that date. The liberation of France was an extremely important step in the history of World War 2, and helped lead to the defeat of Hitler and Nazi Germany, and the end of the war in Europe. Even though the encyclopedia has 6,914,861 articles, amazingly, there isn't one on the Liberation of France. (That link is blue, because it's a redirect to part of another article.)

So, there you have it. Would love to have your assistance, so let me know if you'd like to contribute. I've also requested feedback on the organizational structure I've proposed for the Draft, on the Talk page, here. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a history buff, but yes, do know a bit about D-Day. On the anniversary this year, I learned about the handwritten "in case of failure" message that Eisenhower drafted but never needed ([1]). Not something I can imagine the current occupant of the WH writing. Maybe I should add it to a different page (e.g., the one you linked to on Operation Overlord). In this case, I'm open to copying some material from other pages, but am probably not up for expanding the text / looking for additional references. I'll have to see; sometimes I become interested in something and end up looking up more info out of interest. A quick question re: the links to entries from the French WP: I see that there are a few references where the text of the reference itself is in English, but naturally most are to references written in French. Am I correct in assuming that if I copy/translate some French text, I'd need to find English substitutes for the French references? -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 12:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@FactOrOpinion: Yeah, I remember sucking in my breath the first time I heard about the "in case of failure" message. The implications of it, and how our world might be different. And what he must have been going through, and thinking about at the time, not knowing what the future held, in order to write that. Scary. Regarding your question about French references, the quick answer is "no", but I'll respond in more detail on your talk page. Mathglot (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look on my page in a sec.

Off-topic: I haven't gotten a response to this help request I left at the Teahouse a few hours ago (though later questions have gotten responses), would you mind taking a look? Wikipedia:Teahouse#edit_warring_from_someone_using_two_IP_addresses,_unsure_how_to_report_to_Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring Thanks -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mathglot, not sure if you saw my question here: [2]. Also, when I went to look up that URL just now (i.e., the URL for the new section of the draft's Talk page, where I posted my question), I realized that there is no Table of Contents at the top of that Talk page. I'm not sure how to create that, so that new sections on the Talk page are automatically added in the ToC. I hope all is well with you. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Responded at the page. Mathglot (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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Quenelle (gesture)

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More citations needed section

Hi Mathglot. I'm just checked in from an extended absense. I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't ignoring your pings regarding {{More citations needed section}}. I don't have any objections to the changes. Please document the new parameter though. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@JJMC89: It's an all-volunteer army; you never have to make excuses for having a life. Thanks for the comments; and yes—absolutely on the doc: see for example, the doc created just prior, for Template:Unreferenced section. I was considering using selective transclusion for this, as there will ultimately be three different templates (six, if you count the "section" variants) that all need to have that documented. Sort of like I used it here on the Talk page of {{More medical citations needed}}, to transclude a section of the implementation plan.

Also, don't know if you're watching the issue at Template:Dablinks. I have a sandbox page up, with a proposal which expands functionality of Dablinks in a backwards-compatible way, and partly addresses the problems with it now. You can view its operation at Template:Dablinks/testcases. (There's something funny happening when the |date= param is included; maybe if you had time, you could have a look?) As a side issue of the implementation, I posed a question at WT:WPT#Accessing boilerplate in a template subpage, in case you have thoughts about that. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Doc has been created; see Template:More citations needed section/doc and Template:More citations needed/doc. Comments/alterations welcome. Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I made some minor tweaks to those two docs.

I'm not watching {{dablinks}}. I assume that you're talking about |date= always being at the end of the (possibly collapsed) text. The only way to adjust that is to not use {{ambox}}'s |date= handle the date and corresponding category in {{dablinks}} directly.

I've tweaked the sandbox to keep using |issue= and |fix= (and not need the boilerplate text in two places). Using |text= instead without appropriate classes impactes the mobile view.

Relative pages change based on the transcluding page, so {{dablinks/boilerplate}} is needed in the tamplate. I don't know of any way around that.

— JJMC89 (T·C) 05:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

JJMC89 Thanks for the tweaks to the docs. About the tweaks to sandbox, there's a problem; I'll respond at the Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops, looks like I forgot to fix Template Data; that was an oversight. Thanks for taking care of that! Mathglot (talk) 07:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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Quick question

Do you know who is running whatever automated process results in articles being listed as underlinked? Or can you suggest how to find out? I would like a word with them. Just wondering. Elinruby (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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List of Igbo People

Why where 100% of my revisions deleted. I'm an Igbo person and I know that these people are Igbo. Do you want me to source their birth dates? Like you just delete my work and vaguely explained how I can get it uploaded again. Please help with this as I do not want my hard work to go to waste over some miss understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:70C0:4B80:C831:4A9F:964C:B54D (talk) 05:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

This is about this 17kb addition at List of Igbo people. As I explained in the edit summary, it's because you didn't include any references. Your hard work is not wasted, all of it is preserved in the History. But Wikipedia's WP: Verifiability policy requires citations, you can't just add a long list of names, and the fact that "you know that these people are Igbo" is not good enough; we need a source you could find in a bookstore, a library, or on the web. Do you understand what I mean about providing a citation? Please read Help: Footnotes, it may help. The only one you added that had a reference, was Gilbert Obiajulu Uzodike; however, there is no article on Wikipedia about him, so he may not be notable enough to include on the list. I'm sorry. Try bringing up your concerns on the Talk page of the article, maybe other editors can help you. If you have any other questions, please ask. Mathglot (talk) 06:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so all the hyperlinks that go back to either Wikipedia pages and/or other verified sources on the web, that btw I added for most of the names listed, do not count as citations? So I'm assuming you're speaking in regards to the format, if so then that makes sense. I can change the format if you would like? However, there were names already added that match the format I used to make the initial2600:1700:70C0:4B80:B533:BDC2:7230:C8C0 (talk) 21:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC) updates.

Also, why do I have to add citations for names that already have Wikipedias? The hyperlink that goes back to their WIKIPEDIA should be the citation lol?!? Did you go through them one by one before deleting them? It literally was a wholesale removal. And what confuses me the most is that the names that were already there didn't have citations either?!!?? So why wasn't the whole section not removed then?

And I know what I citation is, I just figured that hyperlinking their names back to their Wikipedia kind of does the same thing. I mean that's what was done to the other names. Also, I added a formatted header with titles under the business executive section that was also deleted. May you please explain that to me as well. Do I need to add a citation to a header format lol? Like do I need to cite where I got the header format so that others can find that same format as well lol? Honestly tho, please help me understand this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:70C0:4B80:B533:BDC2:7230:C8C0 (talk) 21:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:List of Igbo people § Large addition

IP, please go to this discussion to respond. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Cites on Wikidata

Forgot to mention that for Kangal power station (and other coal-fired) power stations in Turkey the reason I am putting the cites on Wikidata is so they can be also used automatically by the Turkish articles in future. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:45, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1:, I have no problem with that at all. Please undo my last revert, as soon as that is done. Mathglot (talk) 10:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

The cites are on Wikidata but I don't know why they are not showing up in the infobox - I will ask on the infobox talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: thanks! Mathglot (talk) 10:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Continued work on the definition of SPS

Hi Mathglot, you started a discussion on the WP:USINGSPS talk page a couple of weeks ago re: the definition being misleading. Just wanted to give you a heads up that I've proposed a new definition in a related discussion on the WP:V talk page: [3]. Improvements invited. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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The Medicine page change.

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The content changed is a misuse of diction, not content. The word "evolved" is not sourced either, nor does it mean what the article's paragraph desires it to mean. Therefore, this is a matter of word choice and grammar, not references. Vanos777 (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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Notice the irony?

BD2412, get off your high horse. You have a mop, not a mace. If you wanted to remark on a user-behavioral transgression, such as inappropriate use of talk pages to discuss user behavior, then you should have done so on (each of) their user talk pages. Commenting on it here, is just as inappropriate as the foregoing.

Thank you, btw, for quoting me. I hardly ever get quoted, and I see it's made my head quite a bit bigger, or else I probably wouldn't have even come here to your talk page to get you to note the irony in your post at the Talk:Suicide of Kurt Cobain page. Sorry, but it just begs the question of why you didn't follow your own very good advice and take it to BD2412's talk page? Guess it's not easy to turn down having the last word on occasion, eh? Best to you, and I absolutely love your username! Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 02:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth:, Notice it? I was bathing in it. I was practically begging him to have the last word. It was a tit-for-tat situation; after he titted Bionic and Flyer, I tatted him right back, as he deserved. (And yes I’m aware he’s a 1M+ editor, and admin since 2005.) In the end, he did—kind of—have the last word, by collapsing the thread. Thanks for your comment! (And now, if you wish, the last word is yours.) Mathglot (talk) 04:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

heh, since you were "bathing" in irony, then perhaps you also noted how our mega sysop was getting drenched in it as well? It's also not easy to actually have the last word when everyone around you is a last-word addict. Bathing oneself in irony seems to work fairly well, in my humble experience. Thank you for the LW opportunity, and Best to you, Mathglot! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 11:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help at Newspeak

Just wanted to say thanks for your help and input there. :) The advice to keep (non-english) sources in the further reading section is great too, I'll see if I can't find English sources to replace the German ones though. Best Mvbaron (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Edit to French National Committee

In this edit to French National Committee you said in your summery ...please don’t introduce unmentioned WP:CITEVAR violations... The only change you undid, and the only cite-related change I noticed in the edit was to change |lang= to |language=. That is one of the "general fixes" which WP:AWB does by default when it makes a substantive change to a page. I do not think it constitutes a CITEVAR violation. Is that what you referred to? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

First of all, to put things in perspective, thanks (again) for your edit to French National Committee, which I realize you did with the intent of improving the article wrt Draft links, and which *was* a necessary improvement to the article in that respect. As to your question: yes, I'm referring to the change in the |lang= param, and I agree that it is not a substantive change to the page; much the contrary, it's a trivial change which results in no visible change to the rendered page at all. However, it is clearly a WP:CITEVAR violation; read the guideline. That doesn't mean it's serious; you clearly didn't intend it, you were there to improve the article, and did so.

If AWB does that "by default" I'll have to look into that; I'm not all that familiar with AWB, but I've (infrequently) run into problems with people saying AWB did this or that edit while they were using it, which I've had to undo because contrary to policy (last time was MOS:VAR, iirc). I do recall, however, that when I looked into it, regardless of what "AWB does", somewhere it says that the edit is still yours, so "AWB didn't do it", you did; or maybe that's just semantics, and better phrasing might be, "you're responsible for it". Now, this is really a minor thing, as we've said, and I fixed it. So as far as that goes, case closed. So let's just shrug this one off; just please be aware that you are responsible for every edit you make, that CITEVAR is not okay (minor, but still), and therefore if AWB prompts you to do this again in the future, please don't accept it, or don't allow your name to be attached to it. If you know where it is that AWB does that |lang= change, please let me know, and I will try and look into it and fix it, so there's no possibility of it happening again by accident, since I realize you were not targeting this, but something else entirely, which was a clear improvement to the article. Afaict, you were led down the garden path by AWB, and it shouldn't be allowed to happen to someone else. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

As for fixing AWB, it is written in C#. The Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Technical page describes how to get the source code, which is under a GPL open license. I don't see in its user manual a full list of the General fixes, which there really should be. Any change would need to be made in the C# code, compiled, tested, uploaded, and accepted into the main code branch.

As for reading WP:CITEVAR I have read it several times, and indeed I have participated in talk page proposals for changing it in the past, although I was not one of the original writers of it. I still do not think that the kind of change you are describing constitutes a violation of the guideline, but I concede that the view that it does constitute a violation is not irrational.

There have been a number of discussions about what should and should not be included in the "general fixes" for AWB, mostly at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. There is general agreement that the general fixes should only be done when a substantive, intentional change is being made to the same page, never on their own.

I fully agree and accept that an editor using AWB is responsible for the result, whether that editor intended it or simply failed to double check side effects. When doing these runs (which I am now doing roughly daily) to remove draft links, I have modified the changes in some case, skipped the page in some other cases and self-reverted in some other cases, when I thought that the output was not a justified change. I would not have done so for this change, and I have made quite a few similar changes along the way, and did not think them improper. I am going to seek other opinions on this. It is centenarian what is sometimes called a "cosmetic" change, that is a change to the wiki-text that does not change the displayed text, and as such should never be made on its own, but is OK to make as part of a substantive change if it does not violate any guideline or policy. I am happy to continue to discuss the issue with you, and I have no intention of re-inserting the parameter change.

P.S. See WP:EFN#Filter to prevent links to Draft articles being added in mainspace for the history of these runs. The first run found several hundred articles with such links, and I am now finding 2-5 new ones every day. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, DESiegel, and thanks for the very detailed response! I understand your point about "cosmetic" changes being considered inoffensive if accompanied by something not-cosmetic. Not sure if I agree with it or not; will have to think about it some more. What occurs to me, is the temptation for abuse, by someone who has a CITEVAR axe to grind, and simply stores them up, waiting for an actual improvement that is needed, and then runs AWB (instead of just manually doing the "needed improvement" they had spotted). (I assume centenarian is auto-correct for certainly above?) Discussing seems good, but should probably move to a venue where other interested parties could comment; at this point, it seems like no further benefit can come from continuing it here; if we reach "consensus of two", that won't impress much.

Is it really a code change to do those "general fixes"? I occasionally (well, rather rarely) hang at "spam blacklist" and that runs off a configuration file; I just assumed that AWB had some sort of open config file as well; but if not, oh well.

By the way: I don't for a moment believe you have anything but the improvement of the encyclopedia in mind, so there isn't the slightest bit of concern about your motivation; my only concern was about the result, where reasonable editors can disagree, and in this case, I'm not even sure there's that much disagreement. In my view, a tool not of your own design is in fact kind of getting in your way, inserting things piggy-backed onto your intent for the run of the day, based on prior history of what other people have wanted as "general fixes" that were perhaps put there by other editors long ago in some config file, or in the code by other bot-programmers, not under your control, except for skipping over them, or modifying at the end, or whatever. Maybe I should learn AWB myself, just so I know what people are going through when they use it; that would also allow me to comment more intelligently when I discuss it, so sorry if there seem to be some non sequiturs or misconceptions in what I've assumed or written above; it may stem from the fact that I've never used the tool. Thanks again, Mathglot (talk) 02:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree that discussion elsewhere might bew good although I'm not sure where. FYI, I just found a list of AWB general fixes at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/General fixes, which says it may not be complete (even though it is quite long), and does not in fact list the issue we are considering. That page has its own talk page, which might be a good place to continue this. An AWB user can turn off the general fixes in toto, but I don't see a way to enable some but not others, nor do I see a config file where they are set, but I will not say for sure that one does not exist. Please ping me if you start a discussion of this elsewhere, and i will do the same for you.

Note that one must be an admin, or else be approved by an admin, to run AWB, and anyone misusing it to get their way on CITEVAR issues or other such things, should lose those rights.

By the way, yes "centenarian" was an auto-correct of a typo, and yes "certainly" was the intended word. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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You recommended me to change from Google Chrome to Vivaldi. Unfortunately, that article has no direct comparison between the two. What differences did you notice? You also write that you occasionally still use Chrome. Is there a reason for that? Anything Chrome can do that Vivaldi can't? ◅ Sebastian 18:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

SebastianHelm, I use five browsers for different purposes; I haven't noticed the ability for Chrome to do anything Vivalidi can't, but the reverse isn't the case. My fave before Vivaldi was Opera, and I still love Opera, but Vivaldi is even better. I rely a lot on tab-handling, and Vivaldi is the best for that by far. If you frequently have one, two, or three dozen tabs open, sometimes more, and want to remember different groupings of them so you can restore different groups of them ("project tabs", more or less), or if you want to stack, group, or tile tabs, Vivaldi is unbeatable. Everything is in a nice place, very intuitive (i.e, I've only very rarely had to go to Vivaldi "Help", but when I do, it's all very common sense, so read it once, and you won't have to visit that help page again. I haven't used FFox in a while, Safari isn't supported anymore on Windows, and IE only for sites that seem targeted to it. I was partial to Amaya back in the day, but it never lived up to its full potential, although it had features nobody else did. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, having many open tabs is something that can easily happen when dealing with Wikipedia, so it does look like I should give it a try. ◅ Sebastian 18:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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See also Profaning a monument, especially the Talk page, for the history of my interaction with that user. Maybe you want to fix it there, too, or at least comment?

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Feminist views on transgender topics

Hi

I noticed you deleted the addition I added for JK Rowling's comment on transgender women in cisgender women's spaces. Don't you think it's censorship to remove ideas that don't reflect what the page wants? There is a need to keep things neutral, and have everyone's opinions, and it is not transphobic for the wikipedia to have an opinion that doesn't support the view of transgender women not being allowed in cisgender women's spaces. If you don't mind, I would like it to stay.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arboreseflores (talk • contribs) 09:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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I just created a Wikipedia account after editing without a login. I am just editing in areas I am interested in, like history, crime, and feminism. I started to edit Wikipedia because my partner is doing this and it looks fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arboreseflores (talk • contribs) 03:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hello M. This is quite marvelous. It is always nice to start the day with such a big smile. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 15:02, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Mathglot,

I've asked you to engage in constructive discussion [4] [5] but you are exceedingly difficult to get to discuss on the talk page [6]

I have asked you to post discussion that revolves around article edits on that article's talk page. Not on my user talk page. [7] [8] [9]

You might want to discuss my behavior more than improvements to an article, but I don't.

Now, making dummy edit comments [10] is still communicating in other places than the article talk page. I consider it the same as posting on my user talk page. Stop it!

And before you ask: no I will not discuss here either. I discuss improvements to articles on their respective talk pages.

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@CapnZapp: Good, that's exactly the right place to discuss improvements to articles. I'm glad to hear that your wishes accord with talk page guidelines on the topic. I have already posted nine substantial comments at Talk:Garden-path sentence recently, and that's where I will continue to post, whenever I feel that I have something relevant to say about the article content. I already told you before on your User Talk page, that I *always* post discussions about article content on article Talk pages, and that I *never* discuss article improvements on a User talk page, because per WP:TALK that's not what a User talk page is for.

However, you seem to continue to confuse the purpose of an article Talk page, and a User talk page, although I already explained the differences to you. Above, you said,

You might want to discuss my behavior more than improvements to an article, but I don't.

That's both silly, and a bit sad. Number one: I don't want to discuss your behavior at all. It's a drain on my time and productivity, and I'd rather someone else do it. I thought it was important enough to the integrity of the encyclopedia, that it was necessary to remind you about Wikipedia's Verifiability policy which you seemed to ignore at Garden-path sentence. Your user talk page is the right place for that kind of warning. Instead of taking heed, you doubled down and reinserted the unsourced content. When I reminded you about the responsibility for including citations for the content you added, you simply reverted it.

CapnZapp, your comments on your user talk page, the article Talk page, and here, make two things very clear to me:

• You either don't understand or don't care that the Talk page guidelines define what type of discussion is to be held where. That is unfortunate, because it appears to get you riled up when someone posts appropriate comments to your Talk page, and conversely, you make inappropriate comments about user behavior at the article TP. Certainly copying my comments about your flouting of Verifiability guidelines to the Talk page of an article was out of bounds, and I'm surprised you did so.
• You either don't understand or don't care about what Wikipedia's Verifiability policy says, as is eminently clear from your actions.

The second of these, is by far the more important of the two, as it potentially can affect the integrity of the encyclopedia when violated.

I apologize for making the dummy edit, as you had, in fact, told me you wanted to communicate only on the article Talk page. This put me in a bind, however, because per WP:TALK, I am forbidden from discussing your editing behavior on an article Talk page. So, rather than post to your Talk page again, which you had asked me not to do, I posted this dummy edit as my swan song, both to "say goodbye" as it were, and also to let you know that a blanket talk page disinvite could have unintended consequences, and I wanted to make sure you understood that, and wrote: "Since you have asked me to stay away, I will. However, that leaves me little recourse if you continue to flout WP:V or other policies, other than ANI." I thought it was only fair that you be made aware of that, and a dummy edit seemed like the least intrusive method to accomplish it. But you won't hear from me at your Talk page again.

I'm hoping we won't have any further interaction, because frankly, I find you rather prickly to deal with. However, my concern for the integrity of the encyclopedia exceeds my distaste for dealing with you, and so if in the future I feel that supporting the encyclopedia requires an intervention that involves interacting with you, I won't be a bit shy about doing so.

A good way to avoid that, would be for you to follow all Wikipedia policies, especially those where there have been potential issues before, notably verifiability. Your doubled-down, reinserted, warning-ignoring, unsourced content still remains at the article Garden-path sentence as of this writing. Sourcing that content, or removing it, would be a good place to start. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edit to Template:Radical feminism. I made that edit not just to eliminate the whitespace for its own sake, but because extra whitespace does show up in certain circumstances. Specifically, in the articles Boston marriage, herstory, and SCUM Manifesto when viewed in the mobile version, when the template is not displayed—there is an extra carriage return at the bottom of the article (at least in Safari under iOS), and this is presumably true in all other articles that use this navbar under those circumstances. Would you please be so kind as to undo your reversions? —DocWatson42 (talk) 11:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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