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Moving Mission: Impossible

See recent findings and proposal on Talk:Mission: Impossible#Moving the article. I plan to move the article if nobody objects over the next week. I you do have concerns, please note them on the talk page. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Black rock musicians

I have nominated Category:Black rock musicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:African American rock musicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 23:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

→ The result of the discussion was: Never edit Wikipedia unless fully coherent. It's been one of those days. Ten Pound Hammer • 23:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Typography

This − is a minus sign (Unicode: U+2212 "MINUS SIGN"; HTML entity: −), and this – is an en-dash (Unicode: U+2013 "EN DASH"; HTML entity: –). While they may look similar or even the same in your browser depending on the font used, they are different characters, so you have to distinguish them, and especially you should not replace one with the other without a reason. — Emil J. 17:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about my edit to Imaginary unit. I simply used the dash present on the "Insert" toolbar in the "Edit" view. I know that some dashes do not line up with plus signs correctly in some browsers, and I was under the impression that that particular dash on the toolbar was the correct one to use for arithmetic text, since it does appear to line up correctly. Apologies if this was not correct. Since − is indeed the correct character to use, where is that character available on the editing toolbars? — Loadmaster (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It's between ± and ×. There is a sort of system in the insert tool: on the left there is a group of general typographic characters (en-dash, em-dash, emphasis, quotes, …), on the right there are mathematical symbols (inequalities, ±, minus, multiplication, division, …). — Emil J. 12:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

TV episode naming

Hi, is it really conventional to include (Show name) to the title of TV episode articles? In case this is out of context for you, I'm referring to your recent move of Apollo, Apollo to Apollo, Apollo (30 Rock). I ask because an awful lot of 30 Rock episodes don't have that suffix, see Jack the Writer, Jack-Tor, Jack Meets Dennis, Tracy Does Conan, etc. Is there some sort of policy that say we should move all of these as well? Thanks. Cool3 (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It appears that the suffix is only necessary for articles with non-unique names, but on the other hand redirects to the article are encouraged to have the suffix. See WP:Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). I noticed that some of the 30 Rock episodes used a suffix, so for consistency, I added the suffix to your created article. But I don't think the issue is at all clear. Feel free to rename it back if it seems to make more sense. — Loadmaster (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

AP Whining

I'm not even bothering to respond any more, as there's nothing to discuss. However, I'd be happy to tighten the protection on some pages pretty soon...pushing the limits of WP:TALK and WP:NPA already. DMacks (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it's asymptotically pointless to respond to AP's carping. A single response on my part is historically sufficient. And yes, it probably is a good idea to limit the potential damage from any more edits by AP. We're not running a tabloid talk show here. — Loadmaster (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

AP is now attempting to start an AfD for List of Usenet personalities. He claims the article violates WP policy because of an unclear intro paragraph, but in actuality it looks like he's trying to get the entire article deleted because he doesn't want the entry about him being listed as an "eccentric" personality alongside "murderers". — Loadmaster (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I think...I'll not offer to help him with that. DMacks (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

AP has moved his entry and that of Alexander Abian out of the "Eccentric personalities" section and into a new "Eccentric theories" section. Paine Ellsworth has marked the page as "under construction" and made some general cleanup edits. So for the time being, I'm waiting for the dust to settle before resuming editing. — Loadmaster (talk) 23:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

He's done that several times before and several editors (myself included...actually, he may be unintentionally evading my block by editing at all now!) have undone that move. If you think it shouldn't be that way, feel free to change it back with an appropriate edit-summary. Need a clear consensus before an "edit-warring against consensus" hammer can fall. DMacks (talk) 01:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

AP is probably not intentionally avoided the block, because he uses a dial-up connection to his local ISP, which almost certainly randomly assigns IP addresses for each dial-up session. It is also questionable that he has the necessary know-how to change his IP address. At any rate, it is certainly clear that he is turning the AfD page into his personal soapbox against me and other WP editors for imagined WP policy violations and "hatemongering". — Loadmaster (talk) 14:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I've started a discussion on the talk page about a possible split of the "Eccentric personalities" section. This is not done to appease AP, but to improve the article somewhat. Comments are welcome there. — Loadmaster (talk) 14:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

can you remove the kook list at the bottom of Usenet Personalities

Note: Archimedes Plutonium [1] posts from an ISP using the IP address range 216.254.*.*.

Can you remove the kook list at the bottom of Usenet Personalities —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.227.20 (talk) 03:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

If not, I will name you and three others in a legal action against Wikipedia and especially a cluster of editors —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.227.20 (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Fun and games are over with, four Wikipedia editors names will be affixed to a permanent legal document, almost like a police record. Using Wikipedia to spread your own hatred, well its coming back around and now your names will be in a permanent legal file. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.227.20 (talk) 04:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Legal threat from 216.254.x.x. DMacks (talk) 05:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You are free to pursue legal action, but be advised of the Wikipedia policy covering this:

If you must take legal action, we cannot prevent you from doing so. However, it is required that you do not edit Wikipedia until the legal matter has been resolved to ensure that all legal processes happen via proper legal channels. ... Do not issue legal threats on or through Wikipedia.

— Loadmaster (talk) 16:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Please remove the LINK SPAM of the redirect Usenet Personalities / Archimedes Plutonium. DMacks, a wikipedia editor, inserted David D Amato instead of doing the right thing of inserting Archimedes Plutonium. DMacks needs to be fired from Wikipedia. 216.16.55.44 (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC) committee to remove DMacks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.55.44 (talk)

Note: This was also posted by AP to sci.math et al [2].

Have you bothered looking at the article lately? There is no such link there any more. And please stop insulting and threatening WP editors. You've been warned repeatedly; until you start communicating in a civil manner, and rescind your legal threats, you will be blocked from editing on WP. — Loadmaster (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what a Google search for Archimedes Plutonium reveals:

Usenet celebrity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archimedes Plutonium (born Ludwig Poehlmann in 1950, raised as Ludwig Hansen, legally changed his name to Ludwig van Ludvig, then Ludwig Plutonium, ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D'Amato - 56k - Cached - Similar pages

User:Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archimedes Plutonium (born July 5, 1950), also known as Ludwig Plutonium, wrote extensively about science and mathematics on Usenet. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Likebox/Archimedes_Plutonium - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

The last time this happened was a year or two ago only instead of D Amato link spam it was a Corley link spam and which the editors of Wikipedia finally solved the problem. So apparently the problem is not with Google but with the in-house editors of Wikipedia, for if they solved the Corley link spam they thence must have caused and originated the D Amato link spam.

So if Loadmaster is technically illiterate about link spam and too dumb to do anything about it. Then remove the entire entry of Archimedes Plutonium. 216.16.55.139 (talk) 20:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC) fed up with the pranksters of Wikipedia

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. The Google search shows a link from their cached searched results, not from Wikipedia redirects. A search done today shows the first page at "en.Wikipedia.org" that contains the text "Archimedes Plutonium", which currently happens to be "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D'Amato", which is nothing but a simple redirect page to the Wikipedia page containing that text string, which is the Usenet celebrity article. Over time, this may change to show a different Wikipedia page matching that same search string, just as it changed from the previous year, depending on how often the Google cache is updated. The entire text of the David D'Amato article is:

#REDIRECT Usenet celebrity

which is exactly what it should be. Wikipedia editors have zero control over Google's caching; nothing we change here will directly affect the cached search results stored at Google. Please stop pestering and insulting the Wikipedia editors. — Loadmaster (talk) 23:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Category - Black rock musicians

Category:Black rock musicians the result was apparently to delete even though no one responded to us, where do we go to fight this? Also afropunk is not necessary punk it can also mean rock.--Sugarcubez (talk) 03:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Too bad. At this point, I'd say the only alternative that the dissenters would find acceptable is to create categories such as Category:African American rock musicians, Category:Black British rock musicians, Category:Black Australian rock musicians, Category:Black German rock musicians, etc. Or just categorize each person into two categories, e.g., Category:British rock musicians and Category:Black British people.
It might also be worthwhile to add some text to the articles for a few of the more famous performers (Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Billy Cox, Buddy Miles, Billy Preston, Little Richard, Ronnie Spector, Sly Stone, Lenny Kravitz, Living Colour, et al) mentioning the significance of them being early Black performers in a predominantly white genre. — Loadmaster (talk) 04:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

For anyone interested, I created Category:African American rock musicians and Category:Black British rock musicians to partially replace the deleted Category:Black rock musicians, at least for the Americans and Brits that had been listed in it. We'll see if they survive. — Loadmaster (talk) 15:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Jediism

Hi. I just looked at the Jediism article and made a diff of the current version against my last edit, and, in my opinion, all the modifications of the article are either not encyclopedic or plain rubbish. I won't rv as I did a lot of work on this article, and.. well, you know what happens in such cases, but If you could take a look into this I'd be greateful, thanks. Ren ✉ 21:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that article gets a lot of cruft. The only thing that I added (other than reverting a few vandalism edits) is the citation about the female British Jedi cop, which I think is quite useful. A lot of the text reads like original research or is just plain badly written. — Loadmaster (talk) 14:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

–Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

Can you please provide a different reference for the text that you added for State Representative Angie Chen Button. No where in the reference that you have provided does it state that she is of an ethnicity that falls wtihin the pan-ethnic identity termed as Asian American. Thank you in advance. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The last paragraph of her bio there states:

Rep. Button was born in Taipei, Taiwan in 1954. [...] They have lived in Richardson and Garland for 30 years. Angie’s life has been the American dream Texas style.

Which seems to make it pretty obvious that she's a Taiwanese-American. In any case, I've added a link that shows info about her election at WFAA.com and her membership in the Greater Dallas Asian American Chamber of Commerce [3]. — Loadmaster (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Java WikiProject and Portal

Dear David,

I wrote the following text on this page and since you seem interested in Java quite a bit, I would appreciate if you could support this action:

' WikiProject Java is a Wikipedian community that aims to better organize information in articles related to the Java programming language and its platform.

If I'm cor-rec-to, there are about 900 articles on Java technology in Wikipedia, which may be more than ALL other programming languages articles combined...

At least, it's more than for C++, and there IS a C++ WikiProject...

There is also a Python project and a Ruby project so...

Now you can also see a proposal for the Java Portal (temp location). '

Thanks for the help, --Alainr345 (talk) 05:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Vely much tanks for your hep my fliend. Now David, remember we need 3 more Wikipedians to start this so if you know somebody interested... Also I just opened the talk page for my Portal proposal and would appreciate your comments on that. See you soon, --Alainr345 (talk) 04:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello everybody! Now that we are at least 5 members, we will be able to officialize this thing pretty soon now. In the meantime, don't you think it would be great if each one of us proudly displayed his membership by placing the Java Userbox on its user page...
-- A l a i n R 3 4 5
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 03:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

OK David, thanks. If you observe Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do/to_do, you will see that the top priority I gave us at this point is text-proofing of the Portal (not the WikiProject), since it will be the Java facade on Wikipedia, and we don't want to be the laughing stock of the planet, do we... Since I'm not 'native-English' (I'm French-Canadian), I can`t really do it. Among the charter members, I have a hunch that you are the best placed to do it. What do you think? Could you place your cute LM initials there and give it a try. As for timetable, I'd pretty much like to launch this think on Sunday/Monday (yes) so that gives you a criteria... I don't feel there are THAT much mistakes but I think it's still a must-do before launch.

-- A l a i n R 3 4 5
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 23:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi David! We just opened the Java portal for business and would appreciate if you could put a link to it in the 'Related portals' section of your IT portal. Thanks in advance! -- Alain R 3 4 5
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 07:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC) To get this, you can paste something like:

Java

{| cellspacing="0px;" style="width:100%;border:solid 0px #FFFFFF;background-color:transparent;align:center;padding:0px;padding-top:1em;"
| style="width:25%;align:center;" |
<div align="center">
<imagemap>Image:Duke (Java mascot) waving.svg|35px
default [[Portal:Java|Java]]
desc none</imagemap>
</div>
|-
! style="text-align:center;width:25%"|'''[[Portal:Java|Java]]'''
|}

Ok David many thanks for those Portal links, great effort. Now, so that everybody is on the same page, could you please insert these lines on this very page of yours:

==WikiProject Java (announcements)==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Java/Announcements}}

Also, the next item of business of the Project, focusing out of the Portal, would be to resolve some questions: could you point yourself here and contribute an ounce of your brain... Thanks,
-- Alain R 3 4 5
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 04:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Leonardo/Mona Lisa picture

Hello! My name is Robert Esmay and I am a classically-trained artist living in New York City. For some time I have been on one of those silly personal crusades to correct what I perceive to be a historical error. Specifically, we have no actual reason to believe that the drawing known as a self-portrait of Leonardo da Vinci is, in fact, a self-portrait.

I have brought this up on Wikipedia several times and am very pleased to see that, whenever the drawing is mentioned, it is usually marked "possible self-portrait." I was hoping I could convince you to do the same with your image of the drawing superimposed over the Mona Lisa.

I found this quote that sums it up best: "No definitive portraits of Leonardo exist, though many images have been put forth by scholars as possibilities. Carlo Pedretti, director of the Armand Hammer Center for Leonardo Studies at the University of California at Los Angeles, writes in his foreword to Vezzosi's book that 'when studying Leonardo, everything should be considered an hypothesis'."

Sincerely, Robert Esmay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robesmay (talk • contribs) 05:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking me to do. The description on the image "DaVinci MonaLisa1b.jpg" is:

Comparison of Leonardo da Vinci's self-portrait and his Mona Lisa, based on speculation by Dr. Lillian F. Schwartz of Bell Labs

Which accurately sums it up: it's a composite image that compares the two original images. There is nothing in the description that either supports or denies the self-portrait theory. It's simply a comparison, and the description is specifically written with a neutral point-of-view. If you want to discuss the theory further, you might consider posting on the Speculation about Mona Lisa or Lillian Schwartz talk pages, which are the articles in which the image appears. — Loadmaster (talk) 15:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I feel that the description should be changed to "Comparison of Leonardo da Vinci's (possible) self-portrait and his Mona Lisa."

Sincerely,

Rob Esmay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.239.219 (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

How about "Presumed self-portrait"? — Loadmaster (talk) 16:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Very good. Thanks, Rob

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.239.219 (talk) 04:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Leech forensics addition to Leech page

Hi, David.

Wow, you moved fast on this. I'm still being chased by the broadcast media with follow-ups to *today's* print media stories on *yesterday's* court decision. The police are claiming it's a world first, but I'm not convinced of that.

Out of curiosity, how did you find this story? In the Ottawa newspaper you referenced?

Regards,
Bob
(Direct email: mesibov@southcom.com.au) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobmesibov (talk • contribs) 01:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I get all of my daily news from Fark.com. This particular story was covered yesterday (Mon, 2009-10-19) in this Fark forum, which links to the Ottowa Citizen article. So do you have any direct connections to the story? If so, this could be useful for the Wikipedia article. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

New page patrolling

Thank you for patrolling new pages. Please understand the CSD criteria, as the majority of your tags consist of patent nonsense that should be some other tag. Patent nonsense is for articles with text that has no meaning, such as "fjidjahyhy". Choose your CSD tags wisely. Thank you, Zoo Fari 23:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Smith (programming language)

The article Smith (programming language) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Hypothetical language with no significant 3rd party coverage fails WP:NOTABILITY

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. RP459 (talk) 04:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)