User talk:Hordaland/Archive 2

Archive page for January - June 2008

Sleep (non-human)

Wow! It's amazing how much better the article has become thanks to you. You're much more eloquent than I am, and you've fixed lots of things I really don't know how I managed to miss. You've also done interesting copy-editing: the part about seals and their REM sleep is quite different. Did you even go as far as to re-check the sources? If so, perhaps it would be a good idea for me to back-port this article to the sv WP when you're done? There's some copy-editing to be done "over there" anyway, so perhaps it would be nice to bring those changes you made back there as well. Where next Columbus? (talk) 21:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's alway easier to proofread someone else's work, rather than one's own. You'd only left out one essential bit which I had to go to the Swedish to understand: the fact that those cats had been operated on. (Poor things.)

I have a sleep disorder and on the mail list for it I pointed to our article, Sleep (non-human), about REM sleep. I got this reaction from another list member:

The Wikipedia article you cited seriously mischaracterizes the two references it cites on REM sleep in seals. Both references clearly state that REM sleep occurred in the seals they studied while they slept in the water. One study (the one in Nature) only studied fur seals (otariids) and did state that they might go a week or two without REM sleep during their 6 months in the water ("When in the water, the fur seal has an extremely small amount of REM sleep, and may go without any REM sleep for a week or two." - page 1267). The second paper (the one in Science) very clearly states that the gray seals they studied had REM sleep while sleeping in the water ("The REM state was observed both in and out of the water, but seals in the water exhibited REM only when floating with the nostrils just clear of the surface." - page 554).

I found only one of the two references online, and have linked to it in footnotes (click it and search the PDF for seals). Trying to revise the Aquatic section, I found that the original version skipped back and forth between whales and seals in a manner I found confusing, so it became a more major revision than first intended. (And I think I should move those 2 refs to the 1st rather than the 2nd paragraph.)

Our Swedish author obviously knows a great deal about what s/he writes about, but seems to have been a bit careless here (tho s/he may have even more, unlisted, sources to support the original text). So I may get 'round to googling for a few of the other sources as well.

I don't know what "back-port this article to the sv WP" means. I've wondered whether to contact the author about my revision. I'm often way too picky, but s/he seems to be the same type :) in spite of this instance of apparent carelessness. So if you want to do it instead, that's great. --Hordaland (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information wrt/ the sources. With back-port, I meant editing the Swedish version so that it contains the same information as the English article does. The editing you made was interesting and certainly clarified issues, but that part about seals caught my attention because it wasn't what the original author stated. That said, I think that your edits seem closer to the truth than the original article, also because it simply is more easy to read. That's why I wondered whether you thought I should revise the Swedish version as per your changes. There are some other issues that I think should be revised anyway in the sv version (linguistic things). I think I'll edit those things, and at least drop a note with a reference to the translation and your comment to Nitramus. I'm not regular on sv.WP so I'm not sure about whether they use the same writing style as here. Oh, and BTW, it was fun to see that this article already has been featured in Did you know? Where next Columbus? (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Free-running sleep

I'm generally fine with your changes. See the talk page (in about ten minutes) for an explanation of the two changes I'm making. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Bodyboarding

Yes, that article needs a HUGE amount of attention!!! So many things to clear... I have been too wiki-lazy for a few months... I really need to take a closer look into that article. I think that almost all names should be cleared alway as they are there for vanity reasons... But you need time and patience to fix such a "plagued" article... In the moment I have only the latter, lacking the former :-) Thanx for shaking me up, I needed that to come back to wikipedia. Regards. Loudenvier (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

DST vandalism re-inserted

This change reinserted a vandalism to Daylight saving time. I'm sure that wasn't your intent, but just wanted to point out the glitch. It's been fixed. Eubulides (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! There was something funny about that. I expected an edit-conflict message somehow, but it didn't appear. Will try to be more careful. --Hordaland (talk) 09:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Defining what DSPS "severity" is

I wrote a response to what you said on my talk page. Let's keep the discussion there, so we will have it in one place! Mmortal03 (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Uberman's sleep schedule

Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Uberman's sleep schedule, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Master Genealogist

Hordaland Thank you for pointing out that Legacy Family Tree can handle conflicting information. I agree that the articles should not be a sales pitch which is why this article is taking a while to write. Gioto (talk) 01:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

DOIs

Hi, just to let you know I've replied on my talk page. Smith609 Talk 12:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Snails

Dear Hordaland, I'm solving interwiki conflict using my bot. The Idioma-bot works perfectly by my comands. The article snail is about common name of animals, Norwegian or Swedish articles links to English Gastropoda (class). It can't be double links to one article. Hugo.arg (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for answering, though it doesn't seem intuitive! The Scandinavian articles Snegl etc. have the every-day common name, as does the English Snail. --Hordaland (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

SOL

Just passing by to drop a note thanking you for the edit at Sleep Onset Latency. I usually don't do this, but I didn't expect that the article to get attention so fast, as usually the stubs I create are only visited by people doing maintenance tasks. So, thanks! Waldir ^talk 02:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please do merge if it is appropriate as you say. I wouldn't mind collaborating but I really don't have special interest or knowledge in the subject, I mostly do WikiGnome work in widely diverse subjects :) Waldir ^talk 04:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Sleep latency > Sleep Onset Latency, done. Including all the inline links I could find. --Hordaland (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice! I solved the double redirect at sleep latency (RHaworth moved the article to sleep onset latency, lowercase), and added some incoming links from other articles :) --Waldir ^talk 17:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I didn't like all those capital letters (Onset Latency). I'm going to remove the 'See also' to and from Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, as there's no real connection there. (I oughta know; I've had it all my long life. We generally go to sleep instantly, if we go to bed at the right time, which unfortunately often is at 4 a.m.) --Hordaland (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:RSUE

You may be interested in this proposal to revise the text for articles using non-English sources. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 04:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)