User talk:HighwayCello/Archive/2

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Torchic

Are you going to nominate this for featured article status soon? It's looking really, really good (though I don't doubt that some will disagree). --Celestianpower ^háblame 18:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think I'm up to nomming it so soon afer Bulbasaur and I remember how stressed I got. I do, however, concede that people respect me here and that may have made a difference. I'd enjoy supporting Torchic though but I wouldn't be able to commit to it asd I did with Bulbasaur. I'm sure you do have the skills to put it through. How about you just try it - what is there to lose? One bit of advice. Make your replies only either "can you clarify foo for me please?" or "I have done XYZ". That will reduce your stress no-end. --Celestianpower ^háblame 19:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Right, well, you got an oppose. This is okay, the objections are solvable. Many of the things he cites you need to reference the Pokedex. Remove the See also and Trivia sections. I'm sure you can work it out, just here to re-assure you ;) - good nom by the way. I'll support when I have time to give it justice. --Celestianpower ^háblame 21:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a very quick note (I must be annoying you now... ¬_¬): Remember, you will get plenty of criticism. The criticism is not of you and is (especially in Kirill's case) actionable (relatively) easily. You'e doing a good job acting upon his criticisms: good work! (I'm still too tired to give my support justice ;)). PS, Please see WP:OR for the policy on original research that you admitted to adding in. In general, anything that you just think up shouldn't be there ;) --Celestianpower ^háblame 23:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Good ;) - I only do it because I know just how stressful FAC (especially with a Poke-article) can be. Torchic really deserves it though. :) --Celestianpower ^háblame 23:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

"Articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new analysis or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas." - the important one here is new analysis of published data. :P. --Celestianpower ^háblame 23:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Eek! His reasoning is totally against the criteria so do not get stressed at all. Please strike out your last reply as it's highly uncivil and will gain you nothing. --Celestianpower ^háblame 23:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, you're doing well on Kirill's objections. As to the sprite designs, I recommend either removing them or adding them to external links. They aren't references ass the currently stand. --Celestianpower ^háblame 23:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

:D - I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. Yes, I don't think "you get starters at the start" needs a ref :P. --Celestianpower ^háblame 00:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A few points: So far, there have been no Poke-haters (except one, with whom everyone has disagreed). We are not "screwed". So far, all criticism has been constructive and relatively easy to fix. As to Pokémon abilities, what was there was total rubbish. You could create a stub if you like, or just put a note in Torchic about them (in parenthesis). Don't worry - it isn't going too badly. --Celestianpower ^háblame 10:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed from the infobox. --Celestianpower ^háblame 10:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Difficult to say, but it will come. I will only put it in when all previous objections are fixed though. I do agree with some of them. --Celestianpower ^háblame 10:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

See and update [1] if you like. --Celestianpower ^háblame 11:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

*oops* --Celestianpower ^háblame 13:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to have actually done something as a project, and be recognised for it. Yes, Weedle's looking good - needs an expansion of the TCG bit into a full section then we can nom (the article is a bit short at the mo). --Celestianpower ^háblame 13:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't take a screenshot but I can take a photo of my Pokemon toy. Expect it later today. --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Where do I shop? Huh? --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Start anew like this. As to where I got the toys, I got them from Woolworths 5 years ago :P. --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No, no, no, no, NO! Aloan was a supporter of Bulby. His criticism is good criticism. Apert from the chicken bit it the video game section, I fixed it. Please, please keep civil and understanding. It's definately worth caring about. --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's the whole point. He's got constructive criticism about a few grammatical errors. Please re-read. Where did you get the Chicken stuff from anyhow|? It's not in the Pokedex as far as I can see... --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

PS, those are the sort of responses I wrote for Bulbasaur and that's why I got so stressed (along with everyone else). He's objecting in good faith. Correct the stuff he said and reply: "Okay, all fixed.". --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess we could justl eave it in the intro and wait for Tito to tell us better. About the anime, you could just reference it directly (when it speaks in the anime or something more elegant). --Celestianpower ^háblame 15:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are. It's just a waiting game now until Kirill and Tito reply. --Celestianpower ^háblame 15:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

lol - I don't mind. --Celestianpower ^háblame 15:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It's fine so far - nothing has started yet. --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

That is what he's after. --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. --Celestianpower ^háblame 18:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Torchic FAC

Hey there -- I got your comment about the additions. Don't worry, I didn't forget about ya. I'll attempt to take a look at it tomorrow, as I have to help edit another article before heading off for the day. Thanks! --Ataricodfish 16:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, that's understood. I promised to help with the peer review of Genesis (band) and kept forgetting, so I'm hoping to get that done before logging off today. Although I'm not in love with the Torchic article and not really a fan of the series, I'm not a "Pokehater" advocating their deletion and as you can see by my screenname, I have a love of video games as well. Honestly, I think it's great that there are so many articles about video game characters. I just hold these articles to a high standard. We might not be able to find common ground, but I admire that you're giving it a try and appreciate the work. --Ataricodfish 17:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey there -- I read over the article again and added some comments to the FAC. Still needs some work, in my opinion. If I could make a suggestion in general to the WikiProject for Pokemon, I think it's very much possible to get 360 Good Articles and possibly 2-4 Featured Articles out of Pokemon, which would be an exceptionally impressive goal if accomplished. What makes "lesser" Pokemon like Torchic and company difficult for FA -- and I think why you see so many arguments in the FAC process over these articles -- is that not much has been written about them in professional sources, i.e. toy fair trade journals, The Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, etc. You could likely find a infinite number of sources for Pokemon and Pikichu, and maybe some for Meowth and others, which is why I think the WikiProject would have a much better chance there. You'll notice that I've never commented against the writing of Bulbasaur or Torchic -- I think they are fine examples of a character overview and a Good Article. I just don't think either are or can successfully be a featured article, no matter how many edits are done, because little has been written about that specific Pokemon in professional journals, magazines, and the like. That's just my opinion, of course, and I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised someday seeing one of the other characters becoming more encyclopedic. --Ataricodfish 17:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Torchic references

According to Template talk:Ref, {{ref}} is deprecated in favour of Cite.php's <ref>/<references /> format. I know there's a few duplications, and I'm working on these right now. I'll also convert the actual references to {{cite web}}, if that's all right with you. I can still revert to {{ref}} if you'd like, but <ref> has a lot of good points going for it. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 12:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, I've restored it now; sorry I didn't revert the edits last night, I went to bed before you replied. :-) Time zones are a fun thing. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 23:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Torchic copyediting

I've tried to clean up the style and wording without changing the content too much; you might want to check through my changes to make sure I haven't introduced any errors. Hope that helps with some of the language objections on the FAC! Kirill Lokshin 03:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't get too depressed! Keep in mind two things:

• The nomination has only been going for four days, which isn't enough time for near-perfect, unquestionably notable articles, much less something like this. Remember how long the Bulbasaur FAC took!
• While some people will doubtless "object and run", a number of the people commenting—like Bunchofgrapes—are very conscientious, and will return to check the article again. You may want to note that copyediting has been done if you're happy with it, though.

I think you're doing quite well, actually; the pure anti-Pokemon objections don't seem to be coming in at a significant rate. Kirill Lokshin 19:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The use of italics should probably be double-checked; there's a lot of names that are inconsistently italicized. On the other hand, there may be some distinction between characters and cards, or something like that, that I'm not aware of for this topic. Does the Pokemon project have any usable guidelines for what should be in italics? Kirill Lokshin 19:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's too complicated for me to keep track of ;-)

And I'm leaning towards supporting now, but I'll probably wait and read over it a few more times to see if there's anything else that needs fixing before I do that. Kirill Lokshin 19:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you; but I have my hands pretty full doing stuff for WP:MILHIST, so I don't have much time to spare for Esperanza at this point, unfortunately. Kirill Lokshin 19:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hang in there!

I think you've done a good job on the Torchic article. Don't let the criticisms of a few get you down. If you can, action the objections. The featured article director is usually pretty fair and won't take into account unactionable objections. If in doubt, however, you might want to ask him/her. I think User:Raul654 is still the guy in charge of this dept. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Bummer mate :( Don't give up though, FAC can be pretty rough! Just see if the issues are actionable and if they are try to make some changes. If they aren't, then don't stress about them and ignore the criticism. The thing to note here is that you wrote a quality article, and if it doesn't make FAC then you can still be proud of it! Well done Highway, you did a very good job. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply from my talk page: While I object strenuously to people objecting for reasons of subject, I'm still uncomfortable with the level of fictional world information as opposed to real world information. I can't support in good conscience like that, but at the same time, I feel free to help strike down stupid objections that don't and shouldn't apply. Hm. It seems that Torchic has been removed from the FAC list just now though... was it promoted, or failed? If failed, it seems like it's failed quite quickly... if failed, well, congratulations. It is a good article, regardless of my misgivings. Fieari 05:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm sorry if you think I'm too new to be an adminship but I've been being a Wikipedian since December, 2003. I just didn't have an account. I know all about Wikipedia. I have interviewed many Wikipedians and have even made friends with a few. I WAS a perfect adminship nominee. An old nominee, General Eisenhower 17:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Great editing

How long would it take you to creat an original graphic?

• Wikipedia:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/Proposed_Changes#ORA_-_Great_editing_in_progress? -- evrik 15:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• OIC. :) --evrik 15:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching

(I replied to this on my talk page, but I wasn't sure if you had that page watched or not, so I figured I'd copy/paste my response here)

Unfortunately the backlog on admin coaching is quite large. The problem is that we have at least twice as many requests as we have coaches, which is opposite of the ratio we would like (or at least a 1-to-1 ratio). I did a "roll call" of admin coaches only 10 days ago to see who could take on another coachee, and we were able to assign coaches to about 4 users. We certainly don't want to overload coaches. As for your request for a particular coach, I might recommend that you talk to Celestianpower and maybe set up some "unofficial" admin coaching if he's willing to do so. Thanks for your message, and let me know if I can do anything else. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 16:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use

So...could you be a little more specific as to what you are referring? Your message couldn't have been any more vague. I have no idea if you were just posting a friendly "FYI" note (in which it wasn't necessary as I'm fully aware of what is, and is not, fair use), or if you were indicating something else. Please clarify your statement. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

That's no more a berach of copyright than having it appear as part of a highlight on the main page or a portal. If you read the paragraph above it, as well as the caption, it clearly indicates that it's there to point people to the article. Therefore, it falls under fair use. Now, if I just had the image on my page with nothing there indicating that I was trying to get people to go visit that article (in other words, as a mere decoration), then it wouldn't be fair use, but the way it currently appears is completely within fair use. It will likely be changed soon, anyway, as I rotate the image through various articles on which I've worked in order to "give them a little more exposure" (as it says on my page). If someone was "yelling" at you about it, then they obviously have no grasp of fair use or copyright law. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 17:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for your support of my recent RFA, which passed narrowly. I will try to be worthy of your support. Regards, Kaisershatner 20:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Pikachu and Weedle

I have just removed them, because I have added them to the good articles list. Alvin6226 22:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Editor review

Hi Highway! I see you've added a comment to the Editor review page. Might I ask you to use {{Editor-review}} for a better formatting and answer the questions? I've already moved your request to the top of the page. Fetofs ^Hello! 19:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Help

I think that you may have accidentaly deleted my section on the Editor Review page ([2]). If you did this intentionally (which you probably didn't), is it OK if I put it back? Evan Robidoux 02:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Lord Dude

Hi! I am the new user you just sent a message to. Please tell me which page was 'amusing' so i can fix it. Thank you,{{Lord Dude 14:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

How do I create a user talk page? (pardon the spelling) {{Lord Dude 14:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)))

I would really like to know what page on Pokemon that needs to be fixed.

I would really like to know which page on Pokemon needs to be changed. {{Lord Dude 14:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Tell me what was wrong with it. I tried hard on that page and did not mean anything bad. Was it the Nurse Joy page? {{Lord Dude 14:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

I dont want to forget i want to know what was wrong with that page! {{Lord Dude 14:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

I did not put that there! {{Lord Dude 14:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

What does that word mean? {{Lord Dude 15:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

How do you create the cool stop light? {{Lord Dude 18:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Still cant seem to get a stop light. {{Lord Dude 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Angry!

Why are are you tring to delete my Nurse Joy page! {{Lord Dude 18:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Sorry for all this im not tring to get on anyones nerves im just tring to help expand Wikipedia thats all. Friends? {{Lord Dude 18:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Vandilized?

Who vandilized this page? {{Lord Dude 18:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

It wasnt me was it. If it was im sorry. Im new so there is no way of me knowing. Cheers! {{Lord Dude 18:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Archives

What happened I didn't know I deleted my talk page? {{Lord Dude 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

I how do i move text to archives? {{Lord Dude 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Sure! {{Lord Dude 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Princess Peach

I think the article is well-written, the only problem is refrences. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 20:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

WP Nintendo

Well, I was going to join, but then I decided that maybe a WikiProject, and a fairly tough one at that, might be a bit too much. Nothing personal, I'm just lazy. ^_^ Mr. Lefty 22:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Question

(is worried that I hit giant red button) Well, User talk:71.114.69.229 has only had a view edits (fine 3) but he's managed to vandalize Pikachu, Mewtwo and Seiken Densetsu DS: Children of Mana. All I can do is give them the low level warning since I can't something between "this is considered vandalism, don't" to "this is your last warning", so I'm stuck warning. Could an admin perhaps deal with this more appropriately? Thanks, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I think you have done a good job. Wikipedia:Vandalism has all the details, but in a case like this you would use {{subst:test}} for the first vandalism edit (or the message you used, which is fine), then {{subst:test2}} or {{subst:test3}} for the second case, and a final warning {{subst:test4}}. After that (if they are still vandalising, they stopped in this case) you list that vandal at WP:AIV and an admin will take a look. Since the vandal has stopped for the time being I won't do anything.--Commander Keane 23:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mathbot

Hey, I'm "New Pages" patrolling and I saw some of Mathbot's articles and had a question; is it meant to be making articles with just 3s in them? I know that may sound stupid, but it doesn't make a great deal of sense to the non-math editor. Cheers, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 23:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no privacy here anymore. :) That was a tiny bug in my bot and I fixed it after just two wrong edits. Gosh, you noticed that right on. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 23:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:(sees username)WOO!

Haha, yea, it was my nickname for a while in My School--IAMTHEEGGMAN (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Haha, drug education..., well good luck to you also, you got my vote!--IAMTHEEGGMAN (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for all the help you have given me. {{Lord Dude 18:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Heh, thanks, although it looks like it will get close with Tito an pschemp. :) All the best -- Banez 22:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Project

May I become part of the Pokemon Project? {{Lord Dude 01:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)}}

The missing CLW

Thanks for the note - I hope he's okay - he hasn't been around for a while - keeping looking! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 15:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

PS havea go at this Wikipedia:Sandbox/Wikistory (Sentence)

Skarmory reversion

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you care to provide basis for the reversion of the Skarmory page? A number of the edits I made corrected factual inaccuracies. Among these were labeling Skarmory as a "tank," failing to explicitly statethat Skarmory's base stats and typing suggest an obvious favor for physical over special, failing to acknowledge "Skarmbliss" as obsolete, suggesting that Skarmory is a standard in doubles format (blatantly incorrect), and calling Charizard "the most powerful Pokémon in competitive play." Unless you agree with all of these "facts," and don't believe that providing a full list of "Magnet-pullers" and the rest of Skarmory's standard moveset (when Spikes is already explicitly mentioned) is completely unnecessary, I don't understand on what basis you reverted the changes. However, due to my astrnomical ineptitude, it's probable that your reversion was entirely justified and I'm just not perceptive enough to figure out why, so it would be nice if you could provide a brief explanation of why my edits warrented reversion so that I can abstain from repeating such mistakes in the future. Artemis Kuiper 17:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, most of what I edited in was pretty much just expanding from the previous version. Although the bit about Claydol isn't really necessary, I put it there to point out that SkarmBliss usually has a third part, and Skarmbliss was already listed. Since it's obsolete anyway, perhaps removing all mention of Blissey entirely would be a good idea (from the video game heading as well as the first paragraph)? Also, should the entire paragraph providing an explanation of why Skarmory isn't uber and listing counters be removed? Even from a competative standpoint, it seems really pointless considering how everything is assume non-uber unless labeled otherwise. The paragraph describing Spikes mechanics seems also seems superfluous, is it unnecessary? (Or maybe Spikes should have its own page?) Unfortunately, removing all of that doesn't leave anything under the "video games" heading, although a brief description of the standard moveset and its mechanics could replace it.

On a completely unrelated note, is putting two spaces between sentences generally discouraged on Wikipedia, or does it matter at all? Artemis Kuiper 23:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

"Ready Salted"

I just wanted to thank you for making me grin big-time for the name of the barnstar you gave Natalya. Kukini 18:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey HC, I was wondering, could you point me to the way to make my signature more interesting. I think I want to do something like Banes, or maybe even more colorful. Thanks in advance, Kukini 19:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

And I just wanted to thank you for both making me grin big-time and for giving me the barnstar! That description cracked me up. :D And don't worry, I am a her. (That does always seem to be problematic when awarding barnstars.) Thanks!! -- Natalya 19:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon

So, what is your favorite pokemon? {{Lord Dude 22:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)}}

My favorite pokemon is Meowth. Also, how do you feel about the pokemon anime show recast? {{Lord Dude 00:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)}}

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

HC, Hey, can you pleaseee GA review the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy article. It was failed twice, including by myself, but other editers there believe my (IMO, very minor) edits to the article make me ineligable to edit, so, considering you are a known neutral editor, can you please review instead? --Irishpunktom\^talk 16:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! --Irishpunktom\^talk 17:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

What I *really* want is for someone to review Humayun .. its been sitting there for what seems like an eternity! --Irishpunktom\^talk 17:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)