User talk:Haukurth/Archive12

You're a saint and a scholar

WP:DFTT—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 03:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't figure out how to report 151.201.146.123 for doing nothing but disrupt. I've seen permanent blocks for less. I can't even load the talk page. Freezes my browser. I've been looking for hours. G'Nite 12:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Machine Elf 1735 (talk • contribs) so tired... SIGNED Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks indeed

Kœri vinur! Það er hœgt að vera í margs konar klípu, (sorry have no Icelandic script keyboard )and you lent me a hand out of the blue, as I was sinking. For which, heartfelt thanks Með alúðarkveðju Nishidani 17:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Aww, that's very sweet of you. And the Icelandic is flawless, if a bit old-fashioned :) Haukur 17:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

All Things Yule & You

When is a better time? :)

Hello! It's that time of the year again. As you might know, right now there are an amount of subjects relating to Yule that I feel your valuable contributions would greatly assist with. Since these pages will soon see some heavy traffic (and subsequently information derived from them will too), you are most welcome to join me on editing and sourcing these subjects:

• Christmas ham
• Yule goat
• Yule log

Santa-related:

• Santa_Claus#Influence_of_Germanic_paganism_and_folklore

• Talk:Santa_Claus#Germanic_folklore_section_going_bye-bye_soon

There's probably an amount more too. I've passed this on to some other users who I think would be of help in this area also. Again, any help would be appreciated! :bloodofox: (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which was successful with a vote of 33/7/4.

Special thanks go to Epbr123 for nominating me and Pedro for the offer of help.

I am honoured by the trust placed in me by the community. I hope to repay this by the wise use of the tools, which I intend to use gradually. Mop & bucket is on the Christmas list - honest. Keith D (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question...

Has an answer [1] :)

Apologies for the time taken. I trust you got the note to keep you informed. But it's there now :)

I also noticed that you added a vote to the arb page; that said, I'm not aware that this changes the commitment to answer the question anyhow.

Thanks!

FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 08:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

MOS: images

Surely those who specify 300px will see a difference if 280 rather than 240 is specified ... Tony (talk) 01:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes - but I don't know what implications you feel this has. Could you elaborate? My main point is that the vast majority of readers are not logged in and that the vast majority of those who are logged in never change their preferences. The default 180 pixel size is widely felt to be too small for many images - as we can quickly see by browsing through our featured articles. Haukur (talk) 09:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hrynhenda

Sjá Hafgerðingadrápu. Það eru að vísu aðeins tvær línur (og rangt kveðnar, þ.e. ofstuðlaðar), en þær eru eldri. Þær koma fyrir, minnir mig í einhverjum af Grænlandstengdu sögunum.

Mínar biðk ek munka reyni

meinalausan faralds beina.

Mig minnir raunar, án þess að nenna að fletta því upp, að línurnar séu fjórar, en hinar man ég í brotum:

Heiðis haldi hárrar foldar

hallar drottinn of mér stalli.

Flettu þessu upp. Ég nenni því ekki í bili.

Gaman að heyra í þér aftur.

Ég er að hugsa um að taka niður tilikynningu um, að búðin sé lokuð.

Kær kveðja Io (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Er Wikipedia fíkn?

Ég lokaði síðunni minni með tilkynningu á henni, ætlaði að taka hálfs árs hlé eða svo, en hefi samt aldrei getað stillt mig um að laumast inn og breytt einhverju smávægilegu. Cheers Io (talk) 23:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Er orustan glötuð?

Er orðið ómögulegt að halda nokkurn veginn réttri stafsetningu á því, sem lýtur að fornnorrænu? Eins og Rommel sagði e-n tíma: Maður skal ekki fara í orustu, ef maður græðir ekkert á því að vinna hana.

Þetta eru einhver greindarlegustu orð, sem ég hefi heyrt höfð eftir hershöfðingja.

Kær kveðja Io (talk) 23:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Neinei, ég held að stafsetningin hafi heldur þokast í rétta átt :) Ég er samt ekki jafnduglegur að þrasa í því og ég var. Haukur (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I've posted a belated reply to your question on my talk page. Cheers! Unschool (talk) 07:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing?

Hey, I'm just trying to get a handle on this canvassing stuff. So I'm soliciting your opinion. The other day, just about the time we were discussing this whole canvassing issue, I got this message on my talk page. Now I've never heard of this editor. The only thing that I can think of that caused him to single me out is that I've edited a few times (over a year ago, if memory serves) to John Roberts. Oh, I might've hit on some of these other pages—the US Supreme Court is a topic of some minor interest to me—but I don't recall. Anyway, so my question is, in your opinion, is this editor engaged in improper canvassing? And if so, how does it compare, in your opinion, to what I did? Just looking to learn, Unschool (talk) 11:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit puzzled why he felt the need to contact so many people over this but when I look at the context I don't really find his effort objectionable. If this had been a long bitter revert-war, fought across multiple articles over a long time, possibly including straw polls, then I think trying to enlist all those people would have been objectionable. But the actual context is that an editor made some changes he didn't like and, instead of just reverting them, he went and argued his case for a revert to multiple third parties. It's certainly an unusual way to conduct business but I wouldn't really call it improper canvassing. Haukur (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Haukur, need some advice. I'm trying to spark a discussion on a policy page, dealing with the style of article leads. I've rarely visited policy pages, but when I have, I find them to be sparsely populated. How can I invite people to participate without violating canvassing guidelines? (As you can imagine, this has been a source of some frustration for me over the past couple of months.) Though we've often disagreed, I still find you to be one of the most knowledgeable people I've encountered on the project. Unschool (talk) 02:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

...My guinea pigs and the "A"s through "F"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "G"s, and "H"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) Also, you may want to check back to the table periodically, someone later than you in the alphabet may have come up with a nifty new idea. ++Lar: t/c 20:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Move of Scottish kings

There is a proposed move of Scottish kings at Talk:Kenneth I of Scotland that I thought I'd bring to your attention. I think you have had things to say on this subject in the past. Probably won't be successful, but that's wiki for you. Best regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I already saw it. I see you're contacting a number of people - you may want to make sure that you're compliant with WP:CANVASS. Haukur (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I contacted people irrespective of what I'd suspect they'd vote for, if that counts. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That does count. Haukur (talk) 17:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

A move has been started on Hugh FitzKenneth of the Scots and the Picts. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ullr's rings might interest you

Hi Haukur! As you wrote once in Ullr, Atlakviða talks of swearing oaths by "Ullr's ring". Swedish archaeologists are excavating a place called Lilla Ullevi ("little shrine of Ullr") and they have discovered many small "amulet rings" which they connect to the swearing of oaths by Ullr's ring.[2] I thought it might interest you to see another piece of eddic information supported by modern archaeology.--Berig (talk) 18:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is quite interesting. Thank you! Would be nice to see a photo of that stone platform they're talking about. Haukur (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that the stone platform is the mass of stones that you see in the article's picture.--Berig (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I must be the least observant man alive! I didn't even notice that the article had a picture. But, yes, clearly, this is the stone platform with the two "arms". Very nice! Haukur (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Translation of Icelandic album titles at "Paul Oscar"

Hi, thanks very much for the barnstar! If you've got time and the inclination, there are still some Icelandic album titles over at "Paul Oscar" that need translation into English. See "Talk:Paul Oscar#Help with new article "Paul Oscar"" (though the article is not so new any more). Happy new year! — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 14:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your support in my RfA. It was definitely a dramatic debate, that landed on WP:100! I paid close attention to everything that was said, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm taking things slowly for now, partially because of the holidays and all the off-wiki distractions. :) I'm also working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school and double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, but I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are several more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status! Thanks again, and have a great new year, --Elonka 18:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sognamål

Now that was a quick edit... ;) It is good to see that there are other users that are interested in it too though. Are you sure it isn't older? Like I wrote in the talk page afterwards, in Sognamål it is blaur/blaor/blár (however you choose to write it). As you pointed out it is the same in Modern Icelandic, but it is also the same in Old Norse.[3] I thought this was an older form that was retained in Icelandic and Sognamål, but that had evolved into "å" in most of the modern spoken Norwegian? -- Nidator ^{T / C} 13:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It's spelled the same in standardized Old Norse and Modern Icelandic (and Faroese) but that doesn't mean it was pronounced the same. Originally /á/ was a long version of /a/. In Icelandic, Faroese and Sognamål it developed into a diphthong. In most mainland Scandinavian dialects it developed into something else. Haukur (talk) 14:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, there you go; A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Then I have a suggestion for an alternative wording:

"One of the most prominent features of Sognamål is the pronunciation "ao" instead of "å" in many words, similar to Modern Icelandic and Faroese."

That should be correct then. While I have your ear, or eyes rather, I have a question. I'm going to write a letter to an Icelander and wondering if the average Icelander would have any problems understanding it if I used conservative nynorsk. What do you think? -- Nidator ^{T / C} 15:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The Faroese diphthong is actually different, more like "oa" than "ao" in this very loose transcription. As for conservative nynorsk, do you mean like "Eg hev boki med visone"? I don't know. Someone who is interested in languages or good at one of the mainland Scandinavian languages will probably be fine. But some people don't really like trying to puzzle out something they don't quite understand and find even Faroese to be too burdensome. Most Icelanders are most familiar with Danish and have little or no exposure to nynorsk. The thing I found most confusing about nynorsk before I learned the grammar were the words with definitive articles without -n (boki, visa etc.) It's not really intuitive for an Icelander that "vise" is a word without article and "visa" is a word with article - in cases like that Danish or conservative bokmål is probably easier, even if nynorsk (and radical bokmål) are, of course, closer to Icelandic in actually distinguishing masculine and feminine nouns. Haukur (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll skip the reference to Faroese then. Yes, it was something like that I had in mind, even though being from Trøndelag I usually write quite a bit closer to the infamous samnorsk. I thought it might be easier for an Icelander to understand as it is closer to Icelandic, but I had forgotten that you learn Danish in school. If that is the most troublesome aspect though I could always write "bokin" and "visan" instead. I'm not sure I could bring myself to writing riksmål... hehe -- Nidator ^{T / C} 15:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, sure - you can always invent your own Norwegian, it seems plenty of other people have :) Haukur (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, Norwegian is such a wide continuum of spoken and written language that you have an almost infinite number of permutations, especially now that it has become very common to just write your dialect informally. I'm not sure you'll find "bokin" anywhere though, at least not in this day and age. Anyway, thanks for the advice. I'm sure I'll figure it out. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 16:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

What you wrote about the nouns made me curious, so I decided to look up the older writing norms and it turns out that in Ivar Aasen's Norwegian writing norm of 1864, which is now most commonly referred to as høgnorsk (High Norwegian), the -n is indeed there, albeit optional.

Visa - Visa(n) - Visor - Visorna

Skaal - Skaali(n) - Skaaler - Skaalerna

Surprisingly, to me at least, it also contains plurals for verbs. I hope I'm not boring you with this. :) -- Nidator ^{T / C} 22:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I think it's quite interesting! I didn't know Aasen had an optional -n there. Fairly close to Swedish there (and, of course, to Old Norse). Haukur (talk) 23:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Verbal plurals were the norm in written Danish at the time, weren't they? "Han er / de ere". Haukur (talk) 23:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I also noticed the similarity with Swedish. That norm really is very conservative compared even to the most conservative end of current official nynorsk. Much more so than I was aware of. A reform is under way for nynorsk, by the way. I don't know quite what it will entail, but it is expected to remove both the most conservative and the most centric forms. I believe you are correct with regards to Danish. In, for example, Henrik Wergeland's "Vi ere en Nation, vi med" you have examples of both. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 00:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

In the Valle and Hylestad dialects (spoken in Setesdal, ON Setrsdalr) one still uses a special plural verb form. For example, the verb gange (from ON ganga) has in present tense gjeng'e (ON gengr) in singular and gange (ON ganga) in plural. Preteritum has gjekk (ON gekk) in singular and gjinge (ON gingu) in plural. Imperative has Gakk! (ON Gakk!) in singular and Gangji! (ON Gangið!) in (second person) plural. (Source.) I guess Ivar Aasen knew about these exceptionally archaic dialects when he constructed his idealized Norwegian language.

Jens Persson (81.232.102.240 (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC))

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Greenlandic Norse language, was selected for DYK!

On January 16, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Greenlandic Norse language, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 16:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this is very interesting. I had been wondering if there was any information on whether or not the Old West Norse language in Greenland had evolved into a separate Greenlandic language. Thank you for taking the time to make this article, Haukurth. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 07:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Bobby Fischer

It is entirely proper, and recommended, that a tag be put on an article in order to complete editing which takes more than two minutes to complete, especially when intervening editors bar the completion. It is not inappropriate, and in fact, is rude, to continue to edit over that tag. If others would take time out to allow the completion of the edit, and the person who placed can then remove it, a lot of time would be saved. I don't know to what "cases like that this" you are referring, but to remove it and continue to edit over it is rude and inappropriate. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a nice tag for relatively low traffic articles which two or three people are working actively on and don't want to trip each other up. It's useless for a high traffic in-the-news article - most people won't notice it, many are noobs, and some people will just ignore it. Many people want to add their two cents to the article now and there are bad edits to revert. Just practically speaking, that tag isn't going to do any good. Haukur (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Faroe Islands

Thanks for adding the results! So, there'll be a new, separatist government, then, as the separatists have a total of seventeen seats? Or are there other differences between them which are more important at the moment than independence or unionism (I've heard something about LGBT rights being an issue right now)? —Nightstallion 00:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I watched a panel discussion with the party leaders on ru.fo. The opposition pointed out that they had gained and the government had lost, showing that the people wanted change. The government leaders pointed out that the government still had a large majority and was entirely viable for continuing. All options are on the table but the leaders of the present ruling parties will start by discussing a possible continuation of the government.

There are certainly more issues than independence to be considered though it is still the single most important issue. Also note that Miðflokkurin had a big victory and they're basically a Christianist party, somewhat outside of the old battle lines. Haukur (talk) 00:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you be so kind as to tell me when new developments occur regarding the new government? Thanks! —Nightstallion 10:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Certainly! Haukur (talk) 11:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Not Laugardalur; Laugardælir

I think the interwiki link was correct, based on articles on the Internet. See the Chessbase article and spelling used. Chessy999 (talk) 13:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly not Laugardalur in Reykjavík - there is another Laugardalur. But the farm is called Laugardælir and the church is Laugardælir Church. Haukur (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

To clarify, I believe Laugardælir is in Laugardalur so both are correct. But that Laugardalur is not the same as the Laugardalur in Reykjavík. Haukur (talk) 14:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

When moving pages, as you did to Njál's saga, please remember to fix any double redirects. These can create slow, unpleasant experiences for the reader, waste server resources, and make the navigational structure of the site confusing. Specifically, when you moved this article to Njals saga, you created several double redirects as a result of pages which were redirects to the old title. I've fixed these myself, but just thought I'd let you know so you know to watch out for it in future. Thanks for reading. Terraxos (talk) 03:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way - can I suggest making a new archive of your Talk page? It's over 170KB long, making it rather slow and painful for me to edit. It's generally recommended that any page should be archived when it gets longer than 100KB. Terraxos (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

"the complication Sturlunga saga"

Well spotted! A Freudian slip if ever there was one ;-) Dependent Variable (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Iceland referendums

Hello Haukurth. I saw you made some edits to the 1944 referendum article I started. However, I also added a 1918 election to the template. Did this actually happen? One source makes reference to it in passing, but I can't find any other evidence whatsoever.

Also, do you know where I could find a list of pre-1946 elections?

Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

There certainly was a referendum in 1918, where the Act of Union was approved with a large margin. Turnout was low, though.

For a list of Icelandic referenda see is:Þjóðaratkvæðagreiðsla. For a list of Althing elections see is:Alþingiskosningar. For a list of municipal elections see is:Sveitarstjórnarkosningar á Íslandi. Haukur (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

here is a breakdown of the results. The numbers from Vestur-Skaftafellssýsla and Norður-Múlasýsla were still not in at this point. Haukur (talk) 13:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks for that. I can't read Icelandic, so could you tell me what the referendums were on (so I can add them to Template:Icelandic elections)? Also, does "Aukakosningar" mean by-election? I notice that the results in the Icelandic wikipedia are different to those quoted in Icelandic referendum, 1944... пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've managed to translate all of the stuff except "þegnskylduvinnu"... пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, by-elections. One reason results may be superficially different is that sometimes the figures are quoted with the invalid and blank votes thrown out. As for the referenda; the 1908 one was on prohibition (which was fairly narrowly approved). The 1916 one was on mandatory community service (went down like a lead balloon). The 1933 one (missing in this list) abolished prohibition (again fairly narrowly) and the others we've discussed. Haukur (talk) 13:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Community service - what was that? пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Like conscription but without a military. It was intended for all males aged 17-25. Maybe there's a better English word. Haukur (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

National service? Haukur (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I think community service is the right phrase to use (national service is generally a militaristic term in English) - this is how the same thing is called in Germany.[4] Thanks a lot for your help. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine, then. I think you've got almost all the national elections by now. I think there may have been a special election for the National Assembly, though. Haukur (talk) 13:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Would that have been in 1848? Also, I agree with your removal of the non-elections from the template. If there was no vote, then there's no point in an article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know when it was and I'm unable to quickly find out. But there was one. Haukur (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Myth1

A tag has been placed on Template:Myth1 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I deleted it. Haukur (talk) 07:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Icelandic saga film

I saw a short clip a while back of what looked to be a pretty recent Icelandic saga film. It was of a man who fought several people with a spear in open terrain in Iceland. The sequence was very fluid, and almost Asian in its choreography. Do you know which saga/film it was? -- Nidator ^{T / C} 11:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I'm afraid I don't! But then I'm not really a movie buff. Might try asking at the ice-project or our Wikipedia. Haukur (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment on main page deletion incident

As you made an edit to the incident listed in the Administrators notice board, it is requested that you confirm the details of the incident here (section 1.1.2)

This is as the incident is used as the basis of an argument and needs to be confirm by persons familar with the event

Regards --User:Mitrebox talk 2008-02-22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.11.244.78 (talk) 08:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Heads-up

Hiya, it looks like you weren't formally notified of this, and it's not a huge deal, but I wanted to make you aware that your name has come up (briefly) at a recent ArbCom case. Whether or not you participate is entirely up to you, but if you'd like to follow along: [5] (and related evidence page). FYI, --Elonka 18:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:PD-old-70

I noticed that a while ago you changed it to say that there were other requirements for United States public domain, besides being more than 70 years past the Author's death. According to Cornell's Copyright expiration page there are no other requirements: unpublished works "from authors who died before 1938" are public domain in the U.S. as of 1 January 2008. What additional requirements were you referring to? I can't find any. Unless you can find a reputable legal source that contradicts or elaborates on the Cornell site I think the template should be altered to say that works by an author who died 70 years ago or more are in the public domain in the U.S. but may not be in other countries. --TexasDex ★ 02:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The key word there is 'unpublished'. Very few of the works relevant to us are unpublished. Haukur (talk) 08:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If I may chime in here... in Switzerland, where I live, as well as in Germany and many other countries, copyright expires clearly 70 years after the author's death if the work was published when the author lived. The only problematic works here are unpublished ones: the publishers of those may gain an extra protection in some countries after the first publication (editio princeps, 25 years in Germany). I.e. if an archive publishes something by an author even dead since several hundred years for the first time, it may have editio princeps rights, but everything already published by an author who died in 1937 or earlier is completely free in continental Europe. As it seems here, it may be the other way round in the USA? Gestumblindi (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's like that in most of Europe. The US has more complicated rules, check the chart above. Publication years are important and copyright registration can come into play. Haukur (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK, Switzerland does not have the publication right. Where in SR 231.1 is it? Lupo 19:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You are right, Switzerland doesn't have it. Germany, however, does. I was talking about European countries in general and included Germany with its editio princeps law as an example. My point was the clear freeness of everything published at the lifetime of an author who died more then 70 years ago in most of Europe which makes it seem ironic that in some cases it is the opposite in the US: under editio princeps, a work by an author who died more than 70 years ago but which is for the first time published now may be protected in e.g. Germany for 25 years, but not protected in the USA exactly because it was not published when the author lived, but it could be protected in the USA if it were published then (between 1923 and 1937), and not protected in Germany. ;-) Gestumblindi (talk) 19:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you please remove a useless redirect

Hi Haukur, I have discovered a redirect which probably is a typo of mine: Uppland Runic Inscription 195. Could you, please, delete it?--Berig (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing! Haukur (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!--Berig (talk) 14:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

please show me where

There is a word "definition" on the page WP:CONSENSUS?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 14:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I never said there'd be one. Haukur (talk) 14:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't accept non-English communication in an English talk page. Its uncivil, and seeks to score a point. In English Mu is the sound made by cows, pronounced Moooooo.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 15:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

...for fixing my spelling! [6] --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

war / armed conflict

Hi.

I don't think "armed conflict," which became a phrase during the twentieth century, need be cast into old descriptions of ancient wars...If you have a better notion, please tell me...and I'll think myself and try to remember what the classical English word for "a series of skirmishes" was...--VKokielov (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind the anachronism but in any case it's "major war" that I thought sounded off, "war" by itself wouldn't be too bad. Haukur (talk) 09:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well, it used to be "major armed conflict..." --VKokielov (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Walter de Coventre/archive1

Hi there. I listed Walter de Coventre for review, and since you have FA experience in medieval articles I thought you may not be totally unwilling to say one thing or another. I appreciate the content may not be very interesting to you, but no suggestion would be unwelcome. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 10:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Unnotified deletion

Hi Haukur, could you check out who deleted Image:Hrolfr Kraki sows the seeds of the fyris wolds.jpg without leaving any explanation?--Berig (talk) 14:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Image:Hrolfr kraki sows the seeds of the fyris wolds.jpg (small k in Kraki) which you uploaded in January? I can't see any deletions of these images, maybe I'm missing something. Haukur (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Duh! Sometimes, I am stupid. Someone had vandalised the page[7], so that it looked as if the image had been deleted.--Berig (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, no problem :) Should I delete the duplicate? Haukur (talk) 15:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please go ahead! :)--Berig (talk) 15:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Why?

In your recent reversion on NC why in the world would someone of your experience leave a cryptic summary, instead of, oh, i dunno, using the revert function to label it appropriately, or using undo to do so while adding your sarcasm?
--Jerzy•t 16:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite follow. I think the revert function is mostly intended for vandalism and I wasn't reverting vandalism, I was reverting a change I didn't understand and didn't see the author justify. That's why I asked: Why? Was that too terse? Haukur (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, I need your help..on a few things.

Hello. I'm Dane. I think I need your assistance as both an Admin, and a Legendary Saga expert.

Uh, for the Saga's I created a page for Egil One-Hand and Asmund Berserkers-Slayer, neither of which is finished and I also plan to update the information on the Egils saga einhenda ok Ásmundar berserkjabana, as there is not much at the moment. My problem is outside of the translated texts, there is nearly nothing on the Saga or the manuscript in English, no notable 3rd party sources that expand upon the importance of nobility of the text it self. Also the Saga's page mentions, "Asmund is also known as Gnodar-Asmund and under this name he is mentioned in various other sagas. His foster-father was Illugi, Foster-Son of Grid." This information is nowhere listed in the story I have about Egil and Asmund, and perhaps you chould steer me towards sagas in which include Gnodar-Asmund, and explain how he is the same person as Asmund Beserkers-Slayer.

I am hoping to add information on other Legendary Saga's as well, but I still am very new to Wikipedia and trying to get a handle on things...

Which where my other issue comes into play. For my Egil One-Hand page, I uploaded an image I drew a little while ago. It's nothing special, but i felt having an image was nice for the page and you got to see his Sword-Arm. However there is currently a vote to remove it... I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that, except that the person trying to remove I feel is doing it for biased reasons towards me. An Administrator called Future Perfect, or Fut.Per or somethingFut.Perf.. He was invovled in a recent altercation with me and my friends in which we were banned as sock-puppets prior to the use of a checkuser (Future Perfect was more willing to believe the word of someone who was a sock puppet and had a vendetta against my friends, then us.)

I feel Future Perfect is out to get me. He has twice removed the image of Egil One-Hand without posting anything in the discussion page, and only when i made a post on his talk page did he respond, in which he seemed very condescending. Further more, Future Perfect was easily led by a sock-puppet using member to get me and my innocent friends blocked. I am new here I don't know how things work, but I feel very wronged and am very upset. I attempted to confront him on his talk page about it, and all he did was call me a troll. Which I do not believe is the least bit true.

I don't know if there is anything that can be done, but he infuriates me, especially since he seems to have taken the attitude in which he wrongfully attacked me and my friends, and continued to use it against my image of Egil One-Hand.

On the image, I'd like you to look it at and decide if it should be there or not. I respect your opinion, and if you agree it just doesn't belong, I'll cheerfully remove it.

Link to the article for deletion discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_March_13#Image:Egilonehand.jpg

And any extra help you can lend on the Legendary Saga's would be most useful. Sorry to be so overwhelming. ShieldDane (talk) 09:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not a saga I've read, I'm afraid. I'll let you know if I come across something. Haukur (talk) 23:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

help with overdiagnosis page

I appreciate your help in editing the overdiagnosis page. I re-edited the placement of the figures to correspond with the text. Please let me know if there is a specific reason that the placement of these figures is inappropriate and I will change the text to properly reference the figures. Thanks again. I truly believe this is an important addition to the Wikipedia database. Hgwelch (talk) 12:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. I suggest keeping any further discussion there for simplicity. Haukur (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Rindr

Hello Haukurth, in 2006 you commented on the naming on the Rindr/Rinda articles. I came across them because the article on tuple space links there, since it is also the name of a Linda version in Ruby. So I moved them around a bit, adding Rinda (disambiguation). Since you noted that there is a difference between the character of Rinda in the Eddas and Gesta Danorum, this might be chance to elaborate even further. Tierlieb (talk) 08:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Tafl

Thanks for the pointer on the Old Norse pronunciation of Tafl. I have found a credible source, and I corrected and sourced the IPA entry in the Tafl games article. I'll look for you the next time I have a question on Germanic languages (and I'm sure I will have many). Takk fyrir! Wilhelm meis (talk) 23:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's a question for you: I have seen "kvatrutafl" identified as backgammon. Is this accurate, and do you know any good sources of information about kvatrutafl (or about backgammon in medieval Iceland and Scandinavia)? Wilhelm meis (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Sturlunga saga and, I think, the bishops' sagas mention kvátra or kvátrutafl. See also de:Kotra. That's about all I know. Haukur (talk) 10:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Greenland

Hi! Any details yet on Greenlandic self-government referendum, 2008? —Nightstallion 23:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really. Some progress on the oil question.[8] Some chatter about full independence in 2016.[9] No details on the referendum itself. The upcoming municipal election is getting most of the attention at the moment.[10] Haukur (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! —Nightstallion 02:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Identity of [[Image:Ran by Rackham.jpg]]

The image in question.

Hey Haukurth, I noticed that you have this image labeled as "Rán by Arthur Rackham (1911)". However, I have an Arthur Rackham collection (The Arthur Rackham Treasury, page 33. ISBN 0486446859) that includes this plate and that states that it is a depiction of one of Aesop's Fables and includes the caption The Shipwrecked Man and the Sea. Do you have a conflicting source? :bloodofox: (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

This is actually quite typical and very annoying. My original upload/edit contained my source. Since then, the image has been uploaded to the Commons, without the source information, and deleted here, against policy and good sense. The Commons version doesn't have my original source information so it can only be accessed via my original deleted edits and since you can't see those the trail is cold. Anyway, this was my source: http://www.timelessmyths.com/norse/aesir.html I always wondered how the artist had come up with this idea of Rán. An excellent explanation is the one you have supplied - this wasn't meant to be Rán. I envy you for having that book, though :) Haukur (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I thought I might just bring it up as I always liked the image and wondered what Rackham's basis for depicting Rán this way was myself. Well, now we both know! :bloodofox: (talk) 09:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Kari Solmundarson

Started a new article on this fellow. Feel free to expand as you see fit. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Kudos on that! I'm afraid I've never been a big Njála expert, though. Such a byzantine story! :) Haukur (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Old Norwegian merge...

I put this in that discussion, but I would like your input on it and nobody seems to read or respond to that talk ATM.

I thought of something that might make more people happy than the proposed merge would. Why not cut Old Norse down a bit (it's extremely long, 40kb is long in wikipedia, this is 50% more than that) by making an article "Old Norse Languages" in which Old Icelandic, Old Norwegian, Old Danish, Old Swedish and Old Gnutish can be treated together, separate from the "common norse" but still handled together, so that the developments can be related to each other. That article should then heavily refer to the known documents of these languages, and should draw up the ways that differences and similarities line up, because they do not always follow that East Norse/West Norse split. A large amount of prose can be lifted straight from Old Norse and Old Norwegian can then be merged to the new article. This also allows for the handling of the "middle norwegian" and the other medieval norse languages because the term "Old Norse Languages" can arguably apply also to medieval forms whether they are called "Old" or "Middle" or whatever. Please let me know what you think. I personally feel that this would be a good compromise. I also think my proposed article will be a lot easier to write than the Old Norwegian article has shown itself to be (see that article's talk page for my critique) because the changes can be related to those of the other languages, everything can be put into it's true context.--AkselGerner (talk) 23:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you think? Old Greenlandic can go straight in there too, if you want, but maybe you don't. Anyway I would like to apologize for bungling the whole thing by being too aggressive. I do believe my criticisms of Old Norwegian are justified though, and that handling all the languages in parallel will be easier, or at least more meaningful.--AkselGerner (talk) 23:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not that you're wrong or rude or anything and maybe I'm just conservative but I don't quite like the title "Old Norse languages". That terminology is not something I'm familiar with and Wikipedia tries to stay with the most common terms and the most common ways of presenting information. When I search for "Old Norse languages" on Google Books I mostly get phrases like "Icelandic and Old Norse languages" which seems to parse as "[[Icelandic] and [Old Norse]] languages" rather than as "[Icelandic] and [Old Norse languages]". Haukur (talk) 10:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand, of course there's no such conventional term, but I think wiki is allowed to use normal english analytic semantics, old + norse + languages = old forms of descendants of Norse language, but of course, then it should be "norse", non-capitalized. The specific name is just a start-off suggestion. It is difficult to think of a different way to refer to old icelandic, old norwegian, old danish, old swedish etc. than by a plural/conglomerate/collective moniker like "old x languages", at least for me. I'm not trying to own this in any way, so if you have a better idea, feel free to say. Of course, a more conventional term would be "old scandinavian languages" or "old north-germanic languages" , but these then deviate from the already existing trend to favor the "Norse" naming, and aren't all that much clearer. As I said, it's not easy to come up with a common name for these languages, also because these languages are referred to specifically when wanting to take focus from the commonalities between the languages and put it in the differences, and also for placing them in a national context, again highlighting their differences.--AkselGerner (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Midvinterblot

Hi Haukur! Since you often edit Norse mythology articles and can read and write in Swedish, would you like to help out with verifying two minor translations on Talk:Midvinterblot? User:Redtigerxyz is evaluating it for GA and would like a second opinion on the translation of two statements.--Berig (talk) 07:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Greenland again

Hi! I found two links about the issue, but I'm not sure I understand what this actually means, so it'd be great if you could update the article with the events (and explain to me whether this means "more autonomy" or "independence" or "more autonomy and independence soon" or whatever). Thanks a lot! —Nightstallion 13:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this is probably about as confusing to me as you. But if there's any particular Danish text you think might throw light on the matter I'll summarize it for you. Haukur (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No, nothing in specific... Still, could you update the article on the referendum? I think you're less likely to confuse matters than I would be... —Nightstallion 18:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and a question about Iceland, if you should know something about that: How likely is it that Icelandic politicians will be pressured to join the EU in the next one or two years? I've read that due to the financial crisis, the public is now strongly supportive of EU entry... —Nightstallion 17:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I would estimate them as very low. During the last election the Social Democratic Alliance was the only party to run on a pro-EU platform. This means that only 18 of the 63 members of parliament were elected on that basis. I think the current parliament doesn't believe that it has a mandate to apply for EU membership. We would really need new elections first. Those aren't scheduled until 2011. Conceivably one of the other parties might make EU membership a part of their platform in those elections but due to the history and structure of the Icelandic party system it's hard to see which one. I would be inclined to rule out the Left-Green Movement. The Independence Party has, of late, some pro-EU elements but also very strong anti-EU elements. Conceivably the party might split over the issue. It has split before. Elections might conceivably be called before 2011 but I don't think it's likely.

So, EU application within two years? Not likely at all. Within 10 years? Possibly. Would it be approved in a referendum? Possibly, but it could certainly go either way. Haukur (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Mh. Strange, I've heard that there's *strong* public support now, so I'd expect it to become an election issue the next time... Thanks for your analysis! —Nightstallion 18:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Recent polls have shown an upswing in public support for it. It's been an election issue for more than a decade now, it may be an important election issue next time. Haukur (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

nods Thanks for the info! —Nightstallion 09:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Election in Iceland

According to Republic NZ, the nominations have closed -- are there other candidates, or is this a non-election again? —Nightstallion 20:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought potential nominees still had until the end of next week to turn in the signatures. But I'm not aware of any. Looks like it could indeed be a non-election. Haukur (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the law is clear: http://www.althingi.is/lagas/nuna/1945036.html The elections are to take place on the last Saturday of June and candidates have until five weeks before that to turn in the paperwork. Haukur (talk) 23:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. nods What is required to stand in the election, BTW? —Nightstallion 10:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone's corrected him. —Nightstallion 10:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You need to be at least 35 years old, be an Icelandic citizen and to have the recommendations (signatures) of at least 1500 people with the right to vote. Haukur (talk) 11:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

nods And, do you think anyone will file to contest the election? —Nightstallion 14:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't think anyone will. Collecting the signatures is a non-trivial task and if anyone was doing it it would be generally known. Haukur (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. We'll definitely know in a week, either way. —Nightstallion 20:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

So it's a non-election? —Nightstallion 08:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. That has now been confirmed.[11] Ólafur Ragnar gets another term without an election. He will be inaugurated for his fourth term on August 1st. Haukur (talk) 09:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hati Hróðitnisson to Hati Hróðvitnisson

Thanks for the catch! :) :bloodofox: (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies/Runes

Hi Haukur. There are nowadays several editors who work on runic articles, so I have started a work group. I thought you might be interested in having a look at it.--Berig (talk) 17:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Burma Myanmar

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Nichalp's move of Burma to Myanmar and my posting to Talk:Myanmar#Move back to Burma, but I would rather an uninvolved administrator did it for me. Would you oblige to you if you would move the page back to Burma, as the clear position is that there was a WP:RM back in September 2007 (see Talk:Myanmar/Archive 3#Requested_move) to move the page to Burma, and several subsequent requested moves to move it back Myanmar failed (see Talk:Myanmar/Archive 4#October requested move and a couple on Talk:Myanmar/Archive 5). --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, what a mess. I appreciate your confidence in me but I'm very reluctant to take action here, especially after User:Jonny-mt applied protection today. He says he's uninvolved and apparently he decided to freeze things down. Personally I agree with you that there was no consensus for a move. (Though I should note that I have no idea if the move to Burma last year had consensus either.) Haukur (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Luckily we do not have to decide whether there was a consensus last year or not because the closing admin made that call :-) But see Talk:Myanmar#Move back to Burma the problem is solved (for the time being) as user:Nichalp gave his/her consent to move it back, and so I did it. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 18:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Something else entirely

We're about to switch to a new upload form at the Commons; details at commons:Commons:Village pump#New upload form. What do you think? We could use some help with translating the form's labels, error messages, and help texts to Danish and also to Icelandic. Can you help? Lupo 14:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

(P.S.: noticed recently that Björn has found its way into the Icelandic WP now... :-) Lupo 14:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw Björn too. Articles in five languages now, not bad! The form looks like it will help encourage more informative uploads, something sorely needed. I'm sorry that I don't have the time commitment to Wikipedia at the moment to comment beyond that. Haukur (talk) 23:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hnefatafl

I was discussing with Berig, and he told me that as far as he knew "raichi" - used to indicate impending victory like "check" in chess - was a word of Saami derivation and that the Viking Age Norse would have used a Norse equivalent. He didn't know what that would have been but he suggested you might. Any idea? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I'm afraid I have no idea. Haukur (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Possibly-unfree-mural

Template:Possibly-unfree-mural has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 05:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Possibly unfree murals

I have nominated Category:Possibly unfree murals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 05:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy

Hi Haukur, could you please delete these images that I have uploaded to commons: Image:U 1087, Lövsta.jpg‎, Image:U 217, Vallentuna.jpg, Image:U 582, Söderby-Karl.jpg, Image:U 698, Veckholm.jpg, Image:U 346, Frösunda.jpg‎, Image:U 366, Gådersta.jpg,‎ Image:U 283, Torsåker.jpg, Image:U 363, Gådersta.jpg,‎ Image:U 349, Odenslunda.jpg, Image:U 349, Odenslunda.jpg‎, Image:U 446, Droppsta.jpg‎, Image:U 270, Smedby.jpg.--Berig (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dollfuß vs. Dollfuss

The move discussion at Talk:Engelbert Dollfuß could use some more input. Care to join in? Libary (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Icelandic alphabet x

Hello! I was reading the article on the Icelandic alphabet, and was puzzled when I saw the description of the sound-value of the letter 'X', which the article says is pronounced like the German 'ch'. Is this correct? I can't think of many Icelandic words with an X in them, except the rap group XXX Rottweiler, so I don't know that it's wrong, it just surprised me. Is it right, or has someone got confused with the IPA-symbol? If it is right, could you give me an example of an Icelandic word with a German 'ch'-sound in it? Curious.--Barend (talk) 09:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's a bad description, I changed it. Basically, people born before ca. 1950 tend to pronounce 'x' as [xs] while those born after ca. 1950 tend to pronounce it as [ks]. But there are certainly Icelandic words with that sound, e.g. dag (the accusative of dagur) if at the end of an utterance. And some people pronounce 'hv' as [x]. Haukur (talk) 10:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I am wondering

what makes this image

not free? I took it and posted it on wikipedia years ago. If it sould not be here then we have more to discuss. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 13:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Einar Jónsson died in 1954 so his artworks will not be free in Europe until January 1 2025 under current law. A stupid and evil law but that's how it is. In the USA things are more complicated but it is quite likely to be under copyright there as well. Haukur (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I will shortly remove my photographs from these articles too. Einar Jónsson , Ásmundur Sveinsson, Gunnfríður Jónsdóttir, Ríkarður Jónsson and any more that I can think of. Life is supposed to be interesting. Carptrash (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, one or two photos of sculptures on articles about the artists can be all right (and desirable) under fair use so I wouldn't necessarily remove them all. Haukur (talk) 15:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is a bit of irony - at least to me. The lead picture on the main page today, Chicago Board of Trade Building is a shot of mine that I posted to show the work of the American sculptors John Storrs and Alvin Meyer - articles i probably won't bother with now. Another copyright infringement. Over the past 6 months or so I removed, or had removed, dozens or more pictures of American (and now Icelandic) sculpture. Finally i get to the front page and then . ....... I guess that this is full contact living. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sculptures and buildings aren't necessarily handled the same and pictures can be non-free without necessarily infringing copyright in a particular instance (again, there is fair use). The laws on things like this differ quite a lot between countries, you may want to check out Panoramafreiheit for some useful information. I wouldn't necessarily recommend deleting everything. Haukur (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your insights, I have looked at the copyright laws already and just when I get more or less comfortable, another picture gets removed, this time Jonsson's Ingolfur Arnarson statue, and I'm back thinking, "Just get all my stuff off," because it is in a odd way rather painful when another one goes down. They are, these pictures, many of them, old friends and I might as well start a blog on Icelandic sculpture somewhere and post away to my heart;'s content. There are many photographers in Iceland who can fill in any temporary gap left by my shots going away. But I do appreciate your efforts and please do not see my rant as being in any way your doing. As you mentioned, this is the LAW, not just some editor's nit picking. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Þorgerðr Hölgabrúðr and Irpa - pronunciation

Hi, Haukur! I was thinking you'd be the right person to consult. A pronunciation guide for the Þorgerðr Hölgabrúðr and Irpa article was requested, could you perhaps aid me here? If you could give a pronunciation explanation for the two names, that would have been magnificent. I noticed the guide on your "Old Norse for Beginners" page, but I could not fully figure it out. Regards, –Holt T•C 00:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

What I got when trying myself was "θorgerðr hɔlgɑbru:ðr", does it look right? –Holt T•C 19:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, for the Old Norse pronunciation - though I suspect the g was already palatilized by then, i.e. θorcerðr. Well done. Haukur (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! –Holt T•C 09:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Quirky subjects

Sæll!

Ég leit inn og breytti greininni um Quirky subject lítillega, þ.e. ég tók aftur breytingar sannfærðs Chomskyista. Nennirðu að líta á þetta og spjallsíðuna og segja mér, hvort ég hafi gengið of langt, eða þá hvort ég hafi misskilið eitthvað? En pro-drop-hugtakið sýnist mér sambærilegt við að sjá drauga.

Kær kveðja Io (talk) 22:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

GFDL compatibility

Hey, are these guys wrong, or should I get an administrator? [12] InternetHero (talk) 01:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, linking is usually all right. Haukur (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

And I'm glad you're paying such attention to licensing matters :) Haukur (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I couldn't use my websites' information regarding the Norse colonization of the Americas because I couldn't plagarize it—not because it wasn't GFDL compatible. You tricked me. All is well, though. InternetHero (talk) 14:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Nexuiz

Hi Haukurth, with regards to the citation request on this article, what is needed is the use of Template:Cite journal (was it the US or UK edition? What page? Who wrote the article?) and an explaination of what the magazine actually had to say about the game. Marasmusine (talk) 09:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Granted, it's not a perfectly formatted citation - the information you mention would be good to have. But it's not something that needs to be singled out for a [citation needed] request as if the claim were unlikely or hard to verify. Haukur (talk) 10:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a [clarify] tag instead? Marasmusine (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to that. Haukur (talk) 13:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Icelandic language (English page)

Hi: Thanks for your last entry. I agree with you; I also thought that last entry did not belong really there, but I chose to improve it rather than cut it away. Nevertheless, it's better if we just eliminate it. Regards.Nordisk varg (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. Excellent. Take care! Haukur (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 90 support, 2 oppose, and 0 neutral. All the best, Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 20:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Snorri's matronymic

And here I thought I was being helpful, and I couldn't even declien the name and article properly, sigh. I'm wondering where I first heard that - maybe in Farley Mowat's West Viking but I think it was in a more reliable source than him; had to do with what I thought ewas still the custom - that if you outlived your father by the number of years you were old when he died, you use the matronymic.....but what do I know? I only know Icelandic culture second-hand, through my own readings and by dint of being half-Norwegian. Sorry for hte mistake, I thought it was the right thing to say.....I know tehre's somewhere else than Mowat I saw that; if it was in Mowat or anyone else they didn't get the declension right either≥....Skookum1 (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

It's certainly true that going by matronymic was common when the father died early but I've just never seen this particular person referred to as Guðríðarson. Haukur (talk) 22:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a sort of eidetic memory and know I've seen it, though exactly where and by which author I'm not certain; it may have been in fact in a recent journalistic history article in one of the Vancouver papers, but that's only a vague memory; it may have been a book review. But I gather from your response that this is in an only-English-language book, for whatever reason; I remember it being in the course of an article about how many Icelanders claim or are supposed to have lineage from him (up to half?). I'll certainly keep my eyes open for that again and come back here, though it may be a long time as I gave away my copy of West Viking a long time ago (along with most of my library) and am not reading in topic area at present; if I remember where I saw that I'll also remember to come back, though again it may be quite a while....or it may come to me in a flash in relation to something else I see at some point. My Norwegian side - my grandfather's side - are supposed to have Icelandic (and Shetlander) blood, and one of the only pieces of family lore I have from that side (my father died when I was young, and his father before him, and his father before him, so not a lot of time for memory-transmission across generations) was that we were descended from "the first white child born in the New World" although I didn't hear the name Snorri until I was a bit older and did my own reading; mind you, we're also supposed to be descended from Hardradi and Trygvasson - but isn't everybody? ;-) (Norwegians). Those kings, they got around....apparently, if the thing about how much of the Icdelandic population are his descendants is true, so did Snorri (or his descendants anyway...).Skookum1 (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure all Icelanders (except recent immigrants) are descended from Snorri. There are few enough of us and a long enough time has passed. It is often said and I think it is true that all Icelanders are descended from Jón Arason and he was a 16th century man. An 11th century person who had descendants would probably be a trivial case. Haukur (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

oooops

Thats my dyslexia for you. Haha ;) Ijanderson977 06:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

"The Jamtlandic Project"

I have initiated a blog about my struggle to create an orthography for Jamtlandic, se the link below

The Jamtlandic Project

I think it may be of interest to you. Your expertise in Old Norse will certainly be useful, so don't hesitate to comment on what I have written. (The blog format is just an excuse for publicly present my results.) I will also send you an email to your Háskola Íslands account about this. // Jens Persson (90.231.244.42 (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC))

I have answered your comments on my blog. Your comment on the use of ł is particularly interesting.

Jens Persson (90.227.153.229 (talk) 18:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC))

[13]

That book was about 6 quid from Abebooks. It sounded nice, so I decided to get it =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick! I hope you'll have time to tell us what's in it once you get it! :D Haukur (talk) 11:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting, I see this image is on the cover. Useful resource, this Abebooks. Haukur (talk) 11:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Aye, you can get all sorts of things decently cheaply there. It's one of my main resources. =) I'll scan everything once I get it, but if it turns out to be post-1923, I'll have to e-mail it to you. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Terrific! I gather that there is no date on the book itself, the sources I've seen date it to 1920, ca. 1920 or ca. 1915. Haukur (talk) 11:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic, I am looking forward to seeing these images as well! :bloodofox: (talk) 08:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It's arrived. The image is definitely from that. They're by Harry G. Theaker, but my copy has an inscription in the front: "Madeleine Wrycott, Xmas 1917" - So definitely pre-1923. Get all the images off commons, though - they're fine for en-wiki, where American law applies, but not commons =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Downside: Do you have any idea how many illustrations there are in this thing? Ignoring the cover - which I'm probably not going to get a good scan of, as it's kinda scratched up, there's at least 50, maybe 100.

Oh, well! It'll work out in the end. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm abroad and don't have much time but, wow! I'm looking forward to seeing some of those images. I gathered there were 12 color illustrations, maybe it would make sense to start there.

And you're right, we should upload them here rather than on Commons. Haukur (talk) 10:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Olaf the Peacock

New article. It's unfinished, and I'll have to come back to it later. But feel free to expand and modify if you care to. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Sepik River initiations 1975.JPG

Dear Harkuth: I uploaded this picture quite a long time ago but, as I remember it, I sent a copy to Wikipedia of a handwritten note which the photographer, Franz Luthi, sent to me at that time giving permission to use it in the Wikipedia "free of copyright." Please let me know why you want a copy - if it has to do with Wikipedia copyright needs I am happy to email you a copy of that letter (I still have it here). However, if you wish to use it for something else, please let me know first so I can check with Franz whether he is happy for it to be forwarded to you. Many thanks, John Hill (talk) 01:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just worried it would eventually be deleted if it isn't logged in OTRS and that would be a shame. I don't need it personally. Haukur (talk) 06:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern - I am sure everything is O.K. Cheers and best wishes, John Hill (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought Image:MaryamNamazie.jpg was perfectly O.K. and then one day I found it had been deleted. The admin in that case insisted on an OTRS release. Haukur (talk) 22:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Halló

Halló Þóknast sjá minn athugasemd hér. 78.149.202.191 (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Af hverju eru allir farnir að skrifa mér á íslensku? Jæja, ég sá þessa athugasemd þína. Haukur (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

He he, allir eru að læra íslensku, ég hef áhuga á íslensku. Bless :) JdeJ (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Moe's illustrations

Hi Haukur, if you'll upload any three of my choosing, I pick "Kong Ingild", "Frovins Sønner vil hævne deres Fader" and "Hardvendels Kamp med Koll". These pics are those that appear to be the rarest, IMHO. Thanks :)!--Berig (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. Haukur (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I look forward to the other pics :)--Berig (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again!--Berig (talk) 19:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, as always, for your support. I suppose I'll try again at some point in early 2009. I think four or five months without controversy should be enough to close that gap of a few percentage points. I doubt I'll win over many arbitrators, though. Everyking (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Rällinge Freyr statue

Hi, Haukur, I dropped an image at the Freyr talk page that you might be interested in, as you requested a depiction of the Freyr statue from Rällinge. It is very low quality, but I assume it can be used temporarily, until we encounter a better image. –Holt T•C 20:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. This plan may well work - the way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask the question but to post the wrong answer.

Didn't we have a photograph of a reproduction of this statue somewhere? Let me check. Haukur (talk) 20:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't find that. Probably misremembering. Anyway, great job! Haukur (talk) 20:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Verifiability and non-English-language sources

There was quite a bit of discussion about this point, some of it on the ill-fated WP:ATT effort. The concept of verifiability is that any reader with the requisite background to understand the article, but who is not a specialist in the field, should be able to verify that the article reflects the sources. Thus, one can convert from degrees to radians without citing a source for that particular conversion, because the calculation involves only simple arithmetic and the formula is well-known. Computing the mean parallax of Pluto may be just as certain a calculation, but Wikipedia would not accept the figure without a source, because only a relative minority of editors would be competent to check the math.

Fluency in, say, German, is presumed not to be a skill that the majority of Wikipedians have. By a straightforward application of the above logic, that means that German sources cannot be used unless translated by a reliable source. This interpretation was found to be impractical in certain instances, and ran afoul of NPOV insofar as it requires a global perspective. There was a feeling that, if the source was available on-line, we could rely on having enough German speakers to check citations, but if the source was not available on-line, the coincidence of an editor being interested, fluent and having access to the print source was just too much. Since on-line sources are rarely permanent, there was even a question about those.

The compromise was to require transcription of the foreign-language source into Wikipedia, where it would always be available, if only in history. Since the accuracy of a transcription can be checked by an editor with little knowledge of the language (at least for those written in roman alphabets), but access to the printed source, and the validity of use can be checked by any editor with knowledge of the language, this was felt to be sufficient.

That is probably an idealized memory of the discussion, but I offer it for your consideration. Regards, Robert A.West (Talk) 03:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that you're trying to defend this on the merits. I can sort of sympathize with the train of thought but I think the end result doesn't make sense. Haukur (talk) 07:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I would think that this comes under the same restriction as much of WP:V: if challenged or likely to be challenged. There are a couple of cases where I have myself cited a source available only AFAIK in Ancient Greek, and did not transcribe the rather long original; but the point sourced is unlikely to be of much interest to those without the language and the sources. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: CSD Protections

I know - I made one such little edit just today: [14]. However, I feel that most editors don't have much need to edit these, and the sparse history indicates that not even administrators have much need to edit these on a regular basis. Other deletion templates, including {{prod}}, {{dated prod}}, and {{afd}}, are all fully protected and have been for some years. It makes little sense to hold speedy deletion templates to a different standard, when often they can be just as controversial.

That's just why I did it - if you'd like, I'm open to discussing this on a more open forum such as WP:AN. But I'd rather not undo it unless there is a clearly established consensus to do so. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll open a post on AN about this then; I think there is a case for full protection, and I think we'd be remiss not to at least have move protection up, especially with certain page-move vandals running around. I'll let you know when it's posted. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Done: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#CSD_Template_Protections Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Negative Equity

Hi

You recently reverted an edit on Negative equity, I don't want to keep reverting the edits but I have had no response to the messgae I left on the talk page of the person doing it. As they don't log in we've only got IP addresses to go on. Althouth the IP changes I suspect that they're one and the same person on a dynamic IP address. I'm not sure what the next step is, it feels wrong to just keep reverting hte edits, I think I'm in the right, but I don't really know the way forward on this. If you could help it would be most appreciated. --KingStrato (talk) 07:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Faroe Islands

Still no news on the new government? —Nightstallion 09:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I forgot to keep you informed! Sambandsflokkurin, Fólkaflokkurin and Javnaðarflokkurin did form a new government.[15] Haukur (talk) 09:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. So it's the same unionist government as before, then? And what does this mean for the Faroese constitutional referendum, 2010? —Nightstallion 21:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The new coalition agreement doesn't mention that referendum and I haven't heard it discussed (though no doubt it has been somewhere). The agreement is here: [16] (Faroese only) The foreign policy part includes opening an embassy in Russia, becoming a full member of the Nordic council and exploring EU membership. Haukur (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

nods Glad to hear the "exploring EU membership" part. So, should we call the referendum "uncertain to happen after the change in government"? —Nightstallion 07:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

And on the Greenlandic self-government referendum, 2008? It's rather soon, so I'd expect them to have at least the wording of the question finalised... —Nightstallion 09:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's still on. The Dano-Greenlandic agreement being voted on is ready. It moves a lot of power to Greenland but leaves out foreign affairs. The Democrats are against it and the vote may well be close, though I'm not aware of any polls. Here's what little I could find in English: [17] [18] [19] [20] Haukur (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So it would be the final stepping stone *BEFORE* actual independence, if approved? —Nightstallion 21:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly. Full independence seems unlikely for the next decade or two. Haukur (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Because of money, or for other reasons? —Nightstallion 07:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Iceland

Do you think that Iceland will finally apply to join the EU in the wake of the financial crisis? The unions seem to be trying to put pressure on the government to that effect... —Nightstallion 08:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Several interest groups are pushing for it and Samfylkingin (the junior coalition party) probably is as well. On the other hand it's clear that we couldn't join the EU overnight so that it wouldn't provide any solution in the short term. Proponents maintain that even a mere declaration of intent to apply for membership would help restore confidence in the Icelandic economy but I don't think many skeptics have been convinced of that.

Still, I do think the crisis has increased the odds of a membership application in the medium-term. Haukur (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and it's just been announced that we're getting a four billion euro loan from Russia.[21] No idea what ramifications that has. Haukur (talk) 09:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the EU has stated more than once that Iceland could probably finish its accession negotiations within a year or so, so if Iceland applies now, it can join on 1-1-2010... Well, we'll see. —Nightstallion 18:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I doubt this would apply under current conditions. We are unlikely to be able to fulfill the Maastricht conditions. Haukur (talk) 19:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

That's a separate issue -- euro introduction occurs only after accession, so that's not a problem. —Nightstallion 21:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, perhaps. But the euro is the main reason people here want to join. Geir Haarde today expressed his disappointment that "we have not received the kind of support we requested from our friends"[22] and that under the circumstances we would have to seek "new friends". The new friends are, of course, Russia. The old friends are believed to be the US and the EU. So it looks like our prime minister doesn't have very warm feelings towards the EU at the moment. But of course the situation is volatile and it's hard to predict what will happen. Haukur (talk) 23:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

nods —Nightstallion 21:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Haukur,i guess i have to speak in english to you,since its the english version of Wikipedia,i just wanted to ask you for help in one matter,i have this source , http://www.visir.is/taeplega-26.000-innflytjendur-a-islandi/article/2013130318984 about number of imigrants and second generaition imigrants in Iceland from this year ,still someone keeps changeing it to wrong number, i didnt know how to turn to about this matter,so i thought i could get help from you fixing this matters,that mabye you could know how the guy is how keeps changing this number i alway try to fix into a wrong number .

Gusulfurka (talk) 23:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

eBay news for Iceland crisis.

Why don't you be civil to discuss first on talkpage rather than deleting stuff. Please revert your edit and come to table first to talk. Your rude behaviors is very disturbing. --gppande «talk» 09:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

You once again demonstrated what a nuisance you are here. Talkpages are not nonsense like media - as you see. To me what you are doing seem more a non-sense. --gppande «talk» 11:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Is Bering the same person as Wiglaf?

Can you please confirm it? This relates to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Berig 2. Thank you. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 14:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can confirm that. When the Berig account came along I thought the style was familiar and welcomed the user. He replied in a way showing he already knew me and then I was sure it was Wiglaf. I've also been in e-mail contact with him before and after the change in accounts - admittedly not through the same e-mail address but using the same full name. I am convinced that Berig is Wiglaf, anything else would be an extraordinarily elaborate ruse for no apparent purpose. Haukur (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

If it is any use, I can approve that Berig uses the same email address as Wiglaf has previously stated that he can be contacted through. –Holt T•C 20:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

for your success. Lupo 21:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! :) Took me six years of part time studies - when I started it I had no idea how I was ever going to finish. Haukur (talk) 08:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations too. Sigo (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Didn't know you were still keeping an eye on things :) Haukur (talk) 17:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm keeping an eye on brilliant contributors :) Sigo (talk) 10:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Anti-copyright

affects, protects issue... maybe "covers" is a better word. Copyright affects a lot, but as a branch of intellectual property right it covers literary and artistic work.--SasiSasi (talk) 10:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I can live with "covers". Haukur (talk) 10:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support! Hi Haukur, and thanks both for supporting my successful request for adminship and for being one of the first ones to congratulate me on my talkpage. I remember a time when I thought you were an annoying newbie who had to be watched and instructed, but you learnt quickly and I nominated you for adminship :) It was nice to see all the nice comments I got from my supporters and I hope that I will be more useful to the community now that I have the tools again.--Berig (talk) 14:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The book

My scanner is half-broken. Could I just mail you or someone else in the Norse Wikiproject the book so you could scan it? I didn't pay that much for it. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I would, of course, be delighted to have the book and, as best I could, digitize it. I'd pay you back what you paid for it and what it costs you to send it to me. Haukur (talk) 22:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Rimur

It sounds fine to me. Do you think you could make a good case for why this should be a Featured sound? I'd love to have some Icelandic folk songs, and this seems a great example, but it will need the context explained to the voters, and, ideally, a translation, since an unaccompanied song by a singer who lacks an article (feel free to make an article) will probably need to have its importance explained upfront. However, I've always advocated for an international flavour to featured sounds =)

Also, I could probably remove some of that hiss if you wanted. It sounds like the type that can be reduced without affecting the rest of the recording much. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I would be very interested in hearing a cleaned up version! I could certainly translate the poetry and I could write an article on Núma rímur, one of the best known rímur cycles. I'm not sure whether the singer or the (purported) composer are notable. This genre of music was rather neglected by the intelligentsia at the time (though there's been a small revival of interest in recent years). Haukur (talk) 00:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

My assessment drive

Hi, I have started to assess the articles in the Norse history and culture project, and the articles A to E are now finished. If you feel that I have wrongly assessed any of them, don't hesitate to change the assessment.--Berig (talk) 09:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed! I'm very glad that you're doing this now instead of the fellow who has been working through them for a while and seems not to have the knowledge necessary to make good assessments. Haukur (talk) 10:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is tricky, and somewhat subjective, so I really don't mind if you move any articles upwards :).--Berig (talk) 17:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture :)!--Berig (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

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News

I've just read there's a preliminary plan to possibly apply for membership in early 2009 and join by 2011, and that the Progressive Party has predated its next party congress to January 2009 in order to reconsider EU membership... Seems like there's a lot of movement all of a sudden, no? —Nightstallion 23:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The FT reported that 2009-2011 plan, the government denies it. It's true that both the Progressive Party and the Independence Party have moved their congresses forward to deal with this. The anti-EU Progressive Party chairman also resigned yesterday and the new chairman is pro-EU. I still think there will have to be a new parliamentary election before any membership application. But it's perfectly possible that such an election will happen in early 2009. Haukur (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Great! :) Have you got dates for the party congresses? —Nightstallion 08:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

At the end of January.[23] Haukur (talk) 08:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Both of them? —Nightstallion 17:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. No more definite date than that for either one. Haukur (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! —Nightstallion 22:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Trautmann sculpture image

No, I merely took the photo. The sculpture gives no obvious indication as to who the sculptor is. It is a relatively recent commission by the football club, and is thus in copyright, but as it is on permanent display in the UK, freedom of panorama is applicable. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Jóhannes stefán ólafsson

Can you take a look at this? I don't know what to make of it. Speedy, or what? A "pioneer" born in 1982?? But may be noteworthy for his children-related work... if that is true. Also lacks sources. Lupo 12:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I have never heard of the groups mentioned and they do not appear to exist. Some sort of hoax/joke, I deleted it. Haukur (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Iceland and the European Union

Hi there,

Please do not remove recent texts with very reliable sources like Bloomberg or EUObserver. I would suggest you open a discussion in the talk page of the article or re-write the wordings in past tense if this is no longer the case.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Dude, I've been all over the talk page. The FT story which originated this is simply wrong. Almost everything in it is wrong. There's no 20% bump in support, there's no special PM panel, there's no 2011 plan, it's just completely inaccurate. Haukur (talk) 15:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Occult dnd.jpg)

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Hamund

Hi Haukur, please check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamund. It's a stub that could be expanded a lot, but Erik the Bikeman has nominated it for deletion.--Berig (talk) 21:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 06:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Gunnhild, Mother of Kings

Hello! I hope you had a nice Xmas. Gunnhild, Mother of Kings is going to be the FA on the front page on 30 December. If you get a chance, can you give it a look? It's rather more saga-centred than I care for, but it's not as if I have anything better to replace sagas with. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Translations

Do you have the time so that you could maybe help here? Lupo 10:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference desk

Hello, Haukur. I enjoyed Voices, and my leisurely reading is always about details. So, thank you again for satisfying my curiosity about kerti and kvæði. I hope you don't mind that I added your signature to this list. Regular doesn't mean frequent on a daily basis, nor does it mean with a fixed pattern (in other words, it doesn't mean regular). It just means editors who, time and again, help out at the desks. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy to help and I don't mind being on that list. Haukur (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Gunnhild, Mother of Kings

Your comments would be welcome. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 23:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

A very fair analysis. Thank you. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 00:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I kind of got carried away thinking about my own problems! But I'm glad you think it's fair :) Haukur (talk) 00:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to track down the two scholarly articles you mentioned to add info to Gunnhild, but haven't had any luck. Do you have access to them? I would be happy to read them and add info if I could get my hands on them. I am reading Jochens' Women in Old Norse Society and plan to add some material from there. I also intend, as I'm able, to revamp the citations in the article to something akin to what I used in Olaf the Peacock (i.e., giving both the saga and chapter, as well as the page number in the particular edition used). Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 00:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm a firm believer in "give us the tools and we'll finish the job" so let's see. A quick browse through the Icelandic library system shows that, yes, I have access to those two articles but not in books I can borrow. One I could only read in the reading room of Árni Magnússon Institute for Icelandic Studies. The other I could borrow - except not right away since the book is on loan. I see I could also get one academic article about Gunnhildr in Icelandic and one in Norwegian. Judging from your user page you don't read Scandinavian. I imagine you could find a way to deal with a text in German but you'd probably like the English article best of all, right? That happens to be the one I can only get at the ÁM institute. It's just 20 pages so I could photocopy it and send it to you next time I'm there. That might not happen until in a week or two, though. Haukur (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

2009 Icelandic financial crisis protests

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*facepalm* Look, it's not a revolution in any reasonable sense of the word. That's why I objected to that description and category and reverted your edits. Your current attempt, where Eiríkur Bergmann's views are clearly attributed as such and given some context, is an improvement. Haukur (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

You also reverted this edit. Is it not a reliable source or are the two people cited non-notable? JCDenton2052 (talk) 16:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

This paragraph seems alright, I should have taken a closer look at it before reverting the whole of your edit. Haukur (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Spánverjavígin

What is Spánverjavígin in English? The article I created, I have the intro as Spánverjavígin (Icelandic) also called "Spanish Killings", I don't know if Spánverjavígin translates to spanish killings or not but from research that is what it was also called. Help would also be good if you know more on the subject.Hammer of the Gods27 (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Spánverjavígin means "the slaying(s) of the Spaniards". Looks like you've done pretty well, I've been thinking we needed an article on this for a long time. Haukur (talk) 10:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

A bit late but thanks for the help on the translation and article. Hammer of the Gods27 (talk) 03:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Iceland

How exactly are the SDA and the LGM going to agree on any of the basic issues for the coalition...? The SDA wants an EU membership referendum together with the election, the LGM doesn't even want to talk about applying for membership; the SDA is willing to accept the IMF's conditions, the LGM wants to renegotiate; and so on and so forth...

Also, what do you expect will be the outcome of elections? With the LGM and the Progressives gaining the most votes and both SDA and Independence losing strongly...? —Nightstallion 14:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The EU policies of the SDA and the LGM are, as you point out, very far apart. At the high-point of EU-support in the country a couple of months ago, some of the LGM MPs were saying they could be willing to accept a referendum on whether to apply for EU membership. There have been no recent statements in that direction, however, and the two most recent polls show a big drop in popular support for EU-membership. I still wouldn't completely rule out an EU referendum alongside the forthcoming election but it seems less likely than before. We'll probably know very soon. The SDA is, in turn, unlikely to accept any substantial rocking of the boat vis-a-vis the IMA agreement.

The election results will almost certainly be a substantial loss for the Independence Party and likely a substantial gain for the LGM. The SDA is playing a very interesting gambit with putting Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir at the helm, she's the only person in the SDA leadership who still enjoys widespread popular support. This may help them reduce their losses at the polls but that is still far from certain. Obviously a lot will depend on how successful the coming temporary government will be. Also, it would seem that there will be 2-3 new parties on offer and if one or more of them gains momentum and seems likely to make it into parliament the results become harder to predict.

The new Progressive Party leader is, in my opinion, showing himself to be a competent and charismatic politician. I'd give him a reasonable chance of success in bringing the party out of its death spiral. Haukur (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that leaves only the Liberal Party (which is below the threshold in recent polls, AFAIK?) and the "Living Land" moderate environmentalists -- but they don't seem to have made much headway since the last election, do they? What kind of new parties do you expect to turn up (in terms of left/right and pro-EU/anti-EU)? —Nightstallion 15:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The Liberal Party doesn't seem to be getting much traction at the moment. Their party leader is a moderate on most issues and has an understated style so I feel he tends to get drowned out a bit in the current frenzy. Their main issue - the fishery policies - haven't been much discussed lately. I wouldn't completely count them out, though, it's always been close for them whether they make it into parliament and so far they always have.

It's unclear if Living Land will stand again, they've not been prominent lately. Neyðarstjórn kvenna [Women's emergency government], a women's list, has announced that they will stand.[24] Not much on concrete policies there yet. Framfaraflokkurinn [The Progress Party] has announced that they will stand but it doesn't look promising. They haven't even got a web page yet and I have no idea about any policies. Lýðveldisbyltingin [The Democratic Revolution] is yet another very vague group. Then there's Norræni íhaldsflokkurinn [The Nordic Conservative Party] who at least have a web page and an agenda.[25] Their agenda even has some very specific items (unilateral introduction of the euro, EU-application, mandatory classes on Christianity for all schoolchildren irrespective of religion, founding of an Icelandic military). It's too early to tell if any of those groups (or others) will succeed or what impact they will have. Haukur (talk) 16:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, doesn't look very promising... What would you prefer to be the result of the election and the subsequent negotiations? And I hope you'll be updating Icelandic parliamentary election, 2009? ;) I try to do whatever I can in expanding election articles, but you've simply got much more information about the events than I do... —Nightstallion 16:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you've done a good job, especially considering how you have to rely on a limited amount of sources. You're maybe a bit too focused on the EU but that's what makes Wikipedia works - people write about what they're interested in :) For my part, I'm still holding out hope that we may get some constitutional reforms. Haukur (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

So, now that the new government has been finalised, what's the deal? A constitutional parliament to review which parts of the constitution and to be elected when? What line on EU accession? Any foreshadowings of likely coalitions after the election? —Nightstallion 17:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I've just found news -- a parliamentary committee is to report on the issue of EU membership by 15 April. —Nightstallion 17:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

References

Haven't been able to find anything on the constitutional parliament, though...? —Nightstallion 21:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Still no details on that. Haukur (talk) 21:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

And the details will be decided when? Any other interesting details I might've missed? Thanks! —Nightstallion 22:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Mario Petrucci

Hello Haukurth. I'm coming to you about the page Mario Petrucci which you speedily deleted a few days ago. An editor brought the deletion to my attention on my talk page, so I checked it out. I must say that I disagree with your deletion and I do not think the page was too blatant an advertisement to remain on Wikipedia. I haven't restored the page, but I did provide the user a copy of the page before deletion and advised her to add a literary criticism section ([26]). You are not required to restore the article, but I hope you will. Perhaps you could restore it and ad a {{ad}} to the top of it. Just letting you know about the situation, Malinaccier (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I explained my reasoning here. I think restoring it with an 'ad' tag would be unkind to the subject. I do not object to a new article on the subject written in an encyclopedic way and I'm glad you've provided the content of the deleted article upon request. I too will happily provide it upon request.

In my view parts like "he has implemented public resources of real practical significance for education, creative writing and study skills, including exciting new forms of creative dialogue between science and poetry (such as his unique contribution to creative writing strategies using science" are promotional writing, not encyclopedic writing. Removing the 'exciting' and 'unique' words just leaves us with toned down promotional writing, not encyclopedic writing.

Or take "He has also brought a number of new concepts into poetry criticism, including Spatial Form and Poeclectics." Neither of the sources given for these claims seem to be reliable sources - one of them doesn't even lead to any text on the subject. Searching for "Poeclectics" on Google Books only gives me one book - by Petrucci himself. I just don't see any indication that Petrucci has successfully introduced this word into poetry criticism in any influential way, the way the deleted article would lead one to believe.

If someone restores the article I will not delete it again but I cannot in good conscience recommend its restoration. Haukur (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I've restored the text of the article in a more complete form at User:Anne Prouse/Mario Petrucci (i.e. the text as it was before the deletions of the last couple of days).

Also, you could of course take the matter to WP:DRV to get broader input. Haukur (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

FYI, "Anne Prouse" has been mentioned in the press as Petrucci's fiancée.[27] So your idea that Petrucci would be embarrassed may be a bit over-charitable. Wareh (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems clear that she has learnt from the experience and I'm sure that if she makes another attempt it will be better. Haukur (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration. Malinaccier (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Iceland

Well, it seems the Liberal Party is dead and the Alliance could possibly form a government with either of the three other parties... —Nightstallion 13:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The Liberal Party usually appears dead until right on election day. I'll admit that they appear deader than usual this election cycle but it's still possible they'll pull through.

A coalition between the Alliance and the Progressive Party would be your best bet for an EU application. But it's very doubtful that those two parties will muster a majority. Haukur (talk) 16:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be the most uncertain possible coalition according to the polls right now... We'll see, I suppose. Still no news on the constitutional convention? —Nightstallion 23:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Nothing really firm yet but we should see the government's proposal soon. Most likely next week, as I understand things. Haukur (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Who are L-List, Citizens Movement, City Movement (the same as the other one?) and Sovereignty Interest? (All are mentioned in the election article, though I haven't seen a reference for the first two yet.) —Nightstallion 10:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Two parties have emerged to poll about 2% each; Borgarahreyfingin (Citizens' Movement)[28] and L-listi fullveldissinna (L-list of sovereignty supporters)[29]. Haukur (talk) 15:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Citizens' Movement is a garden variety 'reform and democracy' type of party. The L-list is mostly a single-issue anti-EU party. Haukur (talk) 16:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

And why "L-List"? —Nightstallion 18:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Gods know! Their 'about' page doesn't say and I don't see any obvious explanation. Perhaps as a sort of D-Day, H-Hour kind of thing. Haukur (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Heh, strange. Any news on the assembly details? And is the mood really turning against the EU again so quickly, or will the result of the election finally bring Iceland towards the EU? —Nightstallion 23:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it should now be official which parties will stand in the election -- but I haven't been able to find the info on the official websites...? —Nightstallion 23:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric Bloodaxe returns

Hi Haukurth, could you please check if I've made sensible use of the synoptics and kings' sagas in the Eric Bloodaxe article (and other things besides if you like). Feel free to be ruthless. Regards, Cavila (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC).

Wow, "a few adjustments" indeed. This deserves a full read through and I'm really swamped this weekend - hopefully I can get to this sometime next week. Haukur (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Teitur Thordarson

Hello Haukur. Since you're from Iceland, I thought that it could be a good idea if you could provide your feedback on the closure of the move proposal for this article a few days ago. In my view, closure was clearly against consensus, but the closing admin claims that the previous title was not in the Latin alphabet. Your feedback could prove most useful. Thank you. Regards, Húsönd 20:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the rationale is spurious - Icelandic is written in the Latin alphabet in a way which Greek, Chinese and Russian are not. That clause clearly doesn't apply. I also would have opposed the move on the merits. Haukur (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I've been absent a long time, and stopped in to look around.

I see that at some point along the way, you made adminship.

Belated congratulations. I'm sure it's been no big deal to you.  ;)

I'm just here for a moment or two to look around, but seeing this makes me happy for you.

Perhaps people running the "backstage" around here have learned a little sense after all.

I think I'll check in a bit more often than a couple times a year from now on.

Unfocused 02:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello + re: Handbook on Norse Mythology

Hey there. I was browsing through the archives of the missing wikiproject list and saw your listing on Norse Mythology figures. It appears that there are articles for your entire list (except for one god, a topic on gods, and a dictionary definition according to you). I hope you don't mind if I placed placed one of those gods on one of the Missing list wikiproject on Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hotlist of Mythology & Folklore? I was also going to place the other two red links but I wasn't sure if they were suitable (I would let you decide what to do with them). Also I was going to prune your list, but wasn't sure if maybe you like to hold on to the blue links in case you want to go back to them to expand on them further, but anyway just thought I let you know. All the best! Calaka (talk) 09:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Parties

Hi! Could you be so nice as to write short article about the two new parties contesting the Icelandic election, and perhaps the L-list, too? Thanks! —Nightstallion 22:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't been very responsive on this. I think the L-list hardly merits an article, though its leader Bjarni Harðarson, does. Similarly, I think the Democracy Movement merits an article less than its leader, Ástþór Magnússon, does. The Citizens' Movement is likely to make it into parliament and does merit an article. Haukur (talk) 22:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, whatever you think is best, but it would be nice to be able to link to *some* info on the parties... —Nightstallion 22:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations for the result! :) I've read that the LGM might be more inclined to accept EU membership now, after they strongly underperformed their polls? And I've also read that no matter what, the Progressives and the Citizens' Movement favour EU membership, so there's a majority in parliament either way? Sounds like good news to me... BTW, an article about the new party would be a really good idea now. ;) I'd be especially interested what its ideology is. —Nightstallion 19:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Most commentators have seen the results as good news for the pro-EU side but the left-wing parties still have to try to negotiate something - the LGM can hardly just completely give up on their EU opposition. The Alliance could theoretically form a "pro-EU" government with the progressives and the new party but there are three problems: a) the progressives are lukewarm in their EU support, b) three party governments are usually seen as less stable and less desirable, c) the new party has no coherent ideology, no leader and almost certainly won't have any strong party discipline, d) such a government would have only a 33-30 majority instead of the 34-29 majority enjoyed by the current government.

I have no idea what will happen. The LGM said before the election that under no circumstances would they accept an EU application this summer. The Alliance is strongly pushing for such an application. Haukur (talk) 22:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, we'll see... Very exciting. :) —Nightstallion 23:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, as I've read in one Icelandic source, now repeated in a German one, there would be a parliamentary majority in favour of an EU membership application... so they could just do that before officially continuing their coalition. :) —Nightstallion 16:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

And here's a US source citing the Social Democrats putting pressure on the LGM by mentioning the existence of a parliamentary majority for a EU membership application. :) —Nightstallion 16:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, as expected, the SDA will utilise the majority in the Althing to approve an EU membership application. [30] —Nightstallion 18:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hrafnkels saga

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Sigurth Gadabout-Deacon

You are right - it was quoted text. However - consider inserting Sigurd Slembe in parenthesis, since the Gadabout is is not well known.

--Sparviere (talk) 14:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

"forced image size"

That terminology is completely unrelated to personal settings. I believe the term existed before Wikipedia did; it's used in relation to HTML and web pages. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 22:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the phrase had been used before, sometimes in ways that make sense, sometimes not. But on Wikipedia it's used to defend the idea that 'personal settings' as set by logged-in Wikipedia users is something important and that editors picking image sizes based on the image and article at hand is somehow wrong and agressive. Haukur (talk) 22:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Huard

Hmm. Well, if the book was published before 1891, I don't see how Charles Huard could have done it unless he was a child prodigy, so I think you're right, and will move it to Commons. Annoying, as it took hours to get everything up on en-wiki, and now I have to do it all again.

By the way: there's actually an eighth illustration in the set - a little stylised image of the World tree on the title page. Anyway, give me a week, I'll try for one or two a day. Though I might mix it up with that other volume we talked about before, but which I proved ueless about at the time. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bahá'í in Iceland

I should thank you for starting the article, as that's what caused me to do some simple web research. Being able to read the language of the community is a must to get a real sense of what is happening, and that I cannot do.

As to your question of why the Baha'i community grew quickly early on, I can't give you the precise or scientific reasons, but I can tell you what my personal views on the subject are. Note as they are personal views, they do not stand any real sociological or scientific tests. I believe it is through tests and difficulties that humans learn and grow spiritually, and as the world went through difficulties people started looking for new answers and new thoughts and the Baha'i teachings resonated with them. However, since the 1990s the Western World has been relatively doing quite well materially, and people started to stop looking toward spirituality, and that it what has led to the rise of people who state they are non-religious. At the same time, however, when people did became more material they noticed that they were missing something, and started looking for something more once again, which has led to the recent rise in people looking for spirituality, but now they are not looking for organized religion as that had given them a bad taste in their mouth, and instead looked to more "spiritual" vs "religious" organizations. Baha'is believe that in the recent past, the Baha'is themselves spent too much time being inward looking, and are now working again to connect the hearts with Baha'u'llah's message of the Unity of Humanity which Baha'is believe is the only real solution to our worldwide problems. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That's interesting, thank you! I actually agree that the decline in religiosity in the Western World is likely the result of an increase in material well-being. As for the Bahá'í community over here I really don't know much about it - it tends not to make the news. That silly affair with the church back in 1967 is the most substantial news coverage I can find. Haukur (talk) 22:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The move

I had planned ot do polytheism or religion, but mythology picked up faster. You can move it to a working one, because the current title is... offensive AND pov.--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 16:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Offensive to whom? Haukur (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

People who might still follow it, people who DID follow it, either way calling it Paganism is giving POV to the non germanic religion. --Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 15:40, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Germanic neopagans are usually happy to self-identify as pagan or heathen. Haukur (talk) 18:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Those are neopagans. They take it as a sign of pride (and loss of identity...). Either way, calling it paganism, when the article deals with the religion/mythology/ect, not the neopagans. We would be NUETRAL to call it polytheism/whateverism. --Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't really get it. In your terminology, is there someone practicing Germanic paganism who is not a neopagan? Haukur (talk) 20:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thats not the only problem you know... the other fact is standard: the article is about the pre christian beliefs, but when We look at the celtic page, it shows polytheism, why the difference. Polytheism is the more nuetral of the terms in the first place. Think about itm, did THEY call it paganism when THEY PRACTICED it? We call it paganism because the dominate religion does.--Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the Celtic page should be moved to Celtic paganism or Celtic religion. Emphasizing 'polytheism' sees these religions through just as Christian a framework as using the word 'paganism'. And academics (and even neopagans!) prefer 'paganism' so that's what we should use as well. Who says they were all polytheists anyway? What Tacitus says about the Semnones worshipping Regnator omnium deus sounds pretty monotheistic to me. Haukur (talk) 22:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Then call it religion. It WAS religion, no matter what the... (don't take offensive) fuck historians or the christian s say, it WAS religion and deserves that name jkust as much as christianity does.

We can discuss changing the title to Germanic religion, better take that discussion to the talkpage. But really, there's no need to get offended here - those who do seek to practice these old religions have reclaimed the words 'pagan' and 'heathen'. Haukur (talk) 00:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Then they are not true followers if they actually degrade it. but yes lets--Jakezing (Your King) (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ásatrúarfélagið

you did an excellent job at that article, thank you for your effort! --dab (𒁳) 15:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for giving it a look! It's still a work in progress. Haukur (talk) 22:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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Icelandic heraldry

Hæ! I remember you helped me out with some Iceland-related stuff once upon a time. I wonder if you would have any interest in helping us find sources to improve the Icelandic heraldry article. If not, I understand. Either way, thank you for looking. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

What an interesting article! I don't actually know much about this subject so the content was mostly news to me.

I don't know if you'd be interested in the flags used by Ásatrúarfélagið, some images here Haukur (talk) 15:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that! It reminds me of some of the heraldic flags and banners we use in the Society for Creative Anachronism. Looks like a very interesting article as well. If we can find proper sources that point to a traditional origin for the heraldic flags used by Ásatrúarfélagið, it might be worth a mention in the article. I would like the article to eventually cover all things heraldic in Iceland, much like the Swedish heraldry article. But for now, I'm happy with any help I can get in improving it! Wilhelm_meis (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That was an interesting read indeed. I especially enjoyed the story about Thor turning out the lights on the minister! I was also surprised to learn that there are Buddhists in Iceland. I certainly wouldn't call Iceland a backwater, but Buddhism is pretty far removed from Iceland's traditions. Then again, I always thought it was a little odd that North American society should be so heavily dominated by Middle Eastern religions (Christianity and Judaism). Anyway... interesting article indeed. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 16:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, Buddhism in Iceland isn't a huge thing - about 0.3% of the population is registered as Buddhist. Buddhists first show up in the 1960 census, which lists two Buddhists (as well as one Muslim and one Jew) - but in the last couple of decades there's been substantial immigration so there's more religious diversity now. There are also a number of Icelandic converts to Buddhism, like in other countries in the West. Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who was elected to the Althing this year, describes herself as "a heathen and a Buddhist".

I really have no idea about those flags and I doubt they're notable enough to mention in the heraldry article. I just thought you might enjoy the pictures and it looks like you did :) Haukur (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and we had the Dalai Lama over earlier this week.[31] Haukur (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's great! What's with all the scaffolding over the church? That is one thing that sticks out in my memory of Iceland - how the biggest building in the whole country (at least as far as I know) is this very impressive church, and yet it seems every farm in the country has its own little church too. It seems like most Icelanders are very religious. In comparison to Swedes they certainly are, but in comparison to Americans, I don't know. Of course Americans are a mixed bag, with millions of atheists and all the way up to suicide cults, domestic terrorists and people who commit murder in the name of religion. Lot of wierdos in America. I'd love to sit in on one of the Dalai Lama's talks, if I ever had the opportunity. One question getting back on topic, I wonder if there is any ecclesiastical heraldry to speak of in Iceland. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 22:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hallgrímskirkja needs extensive repairs with some regularity. Someone told me it was built with poor materials, I don't know if that is correct. Icelanders are no doubt less religious than Americans by any measure - but I think spiritualism, theosophy and things like that have been bigger here than in many countries. As for ecclesiastical heraldry I'm afraid I'm drawing another blank and some quick searches don't turn up anything juicy. Haukur (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

Congratulations on your baby girl! Hope you're all in good health. All the best, Cavila (talk) 10:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Haukur! I wish you all the very best. –Holt (T•C) 10:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! :) We're all in good health. Haukur (talk) 12:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations dad! Best wishes to your family. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, too, and much hamingja to *** Hauksdottir. Sigo (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you all :) Little Hauksdóttir will get a name in a few days. Haukur (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! —Nightstallion 22:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Guðrún. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Also Jón and Sigurrós. You're at 4RR each, but I'm letting you pass for a moment, because you may think it's a bot error. Now that you are aware it's not, please desist.
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude. It's a bot. You want me to "use the talk page to work towards wording and content" with a bot? Haukur (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• As suggested by the closer, we're talking about the best way to handle these at Category talk:Surnames. Please join us.
  --William Allen Simpson (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• These are not surnames. Nevertheless I have commented there. Haukur (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Guðrún and Sigurrós

What's going on? Why did you revert my edits to those articles without any explanation? Haukur (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You already had plenty of explanation, in the previous Bot edit summaries, that you reverted without explanation. You're an administrator, you've got plenty of experience without going off on a revert spree. Please cease and desist.
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The bot edit summary "Robot - Moving category Icelandic names to Names per CFD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 June 7" is your idea of "plenty of explanation"? Please. That link leads to a page which doesn't even have the word "Icelandic" on it. When I finally dug out the discussion which this bot action is supposedly based on I find out it hardly discusses this case at all. Now, you've removed the only Iceland(ic)-related categories from articles dealing with blatantly Icelandic topics - you've refused to defend your actions on the merits, instead talking to me with templates and bot-speak. Please start talking like a human and explain why you think reverting my edits improves the encyclopedia. Haukur (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DRV Comment

Hi Haukurth,

Just so you know what I've done, I've struck out the word "overturn" at the names DRV that you entered and replaced it with "comment". For ease of reference, every user at DRV enters only one bolded !vote, and the nominator does not enter a !vote below his nominating statement, since his nomination serves as his !vote. I could have sworn I changed this before, so I'm thinking maybe you changed it back not understanding why it was changed in the first place, so I thought I'd drop you a friendly note just to explain why it's done that way. It's a merely a housekeeping issue adopted to assist a closer in reading the complete DRV, not an indication of the strength or value of the comment itself. Thanks, Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Please stop striking my comments or parts of them. There was nothing misleading about this at all. You've now done this three times, ignoring my explicitly stated reasons for why I presented my comments this way.

But even despite this, I've now (one minute before you left your message here) reframed my two comments in an attempt to humor you. Haukur (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

No need to be testy. I was simply trying to help you format your comments into the style that is deemed acceptable by most who close DRV discussions. If you don't want that help, that's fine. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, not at all, you are too kind. I'm simply trying to help you in turn by pointing out that if you strike a part of someone's comments[32] and he reverts you with an explanation of how he feels that misrepresents his comments [33] and you then do the exact same edit again while taking no account of this explanation [34] and he reverts you again with the same explanation [35] and you then do it again and call him "shirty" [36] then maybe, just maybe, he might not find the help you are so generously extending to be entirely in his best interests. And another handy trick I've picked up along the way and will gladly share with you: Wikipedia pages have a little tab on top of them marked 'history'. When I find myself thinking "oh my, I could have sworn I made this edit before and yet here the page is, as if I'd never touched it" I've found it extremely helpful to click that history button and see how the text on the page has unfolded, edit by edit, until it reached its present state. Many a time this has allowed me to ascertain how the edits I have made to a page have unfolded. Drunk with this power I've found my mind turning to Heraclitus' saying, "πάντα ῥεῖ". I can indeed never step into the same river twice. And let us not forget Ari Þorgilsson's wise words, hvatki missagt es etc. - it is as if he had seen in his mind's eye the great wiki of history unfolding, page by page, edit by edit, century by century, through the generations - until one beautiful day in June a man of such fragrant nature that his very name could not help but joyfully exclaim it, would step down to help the least of his brethren in his hour of need to format his comments into the ever-gleaming style that even the immortal gods who hold broad heaven, were they to close deletion review discussions, could not help but find most agreeable. Haukur (talk) 01:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, maybe there was a need. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What ambrosial aroma is that I just felt? Haukur (talk) 23:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever smelt it dealt it. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to thank the 2 of you for producing this glorious exchange. Occuli (talk) 12:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

Well well, I see your talk page is becoming a veritable stage for humour, both intentional and unintentional, though I don't expect you to actually smile at all of it. Can we sue bots for violation of the 3RR rule? I don't understand what's keeping people from restoring the Icelandic surnames category, but that's prolly wiki for you.

Anyway, just letting you know there's a new infobox you might find useful: Template:infobox Medieval text. For some examples, see Hemming's Cartulary, Vita Sancti Wilfrithi and Cath Finntrágha. Just let me know if anything is missing. All the best, Cavila (talk) 07:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC).

I tend to laugh in inappropriate places at the movies, I probably do here too.

I've never been big on boxen but this one seems reasonable - I may take it out for a spin next time I'm fiddling with an appropriate article. Thank you! Haukur (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

My participation in language scheme

Just thought I'd let you know (doing it here since the DRV is closed), this edit was part of a re-deletion process where Category:Japanese surnames was being re-deleted and manually emptied by me. I could have had a bot do it, but it was a small job so I did it by hand. Rather than re-upmerging to Category:Surnames, I chose to add it to the by-language one that had been created in the meantime by another user. I agree that it should not have been added to the category without a reference, but I did so in large part to avoid the type of complaints that were commonly being lodged at that time by other editors—that I had removed articles from categories and placed them in the "impossible" to use Category:Surnames. (It was a nice try at pinning me down on active participation, though.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

To avoid misunderstanding: I don't think every category without a reference should be removed and I don't think categories can never be added without references. I was only trying to point out inconsistencies on the other side.

Anyway, it was a spirited debate. Haukur (talk) 23:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

See Category talk:Icelandic-language surnames

Admins appear to have begun to go "rogue" (that is, not respecting anything close to consensus or community wishes), and seem to enjoy absolute impunity in terms of repercussions from their peers regarding such abuses. Badagnani (talk) 00:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this comment about me is appropriate, Badagnani. (The reason I assume it is about me is that you linked to Category talk:Icelandic-language surnames, where you made a comment about my actions.) Haukurth didn't agree with my action either, but he discussed the issue respectfully and didn't accuse others of bad faith motives or of "going rogue". I'm going to copy this discussion to your talk page where I suggest you can respond to me, rather than here. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

When an admin closes against consensus, and, in your case, exaggeratedly so (from an editor whose extreme, fringe positions on ethnic groups are well known), apparently with a sense of complete impunity--there is no other possible reading of your recent close of the surname categories discussion--"rogue" is a quite appropriate term to use. It is never, however, too late to admit a serious error in judgement and make things right. I would be perfectly happy to accept such a reversal in the cases of improper closes you have recently engaged in. Badagnani (talk) 06:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've responded on your talk page, since I don't see much point in involving Haukurth in this discussion unless he chooses to be involved in it. Also saves us from duplicating comments. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment

Hi, do you believe this to be an accurate statement? Badagnani (talk) 07:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what's in a man's heart. I think GO has closed those surname discussions against consensus but whether that is due to him pushing an agenda because of strongly held unusual beliefs or whether he just isn't good at determining consensus or whether he's generally competent but just made mistakes in these cases I do not know. I'd never seen the guy before I got embroiled in this surname stuff and I haven't made an effort to study his career. Haukur (talk) 09:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It's been over 3 years already!

Hi Haukurth! You might not recall, but you took down my first article here on Wikipedia in April 2006 (I'll bet its somewhere in your huge collection of archives, but its right here). Back then I was just another Wiki newbie, and now I'm bombing nearly every article with {{fact}} and putting WP:MOS (capitalization) down! Not meaning to bother you, I'm just reminiscing... :-) Thanks! --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 09:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I'm glad you stuck around - you seem to have done well for yourself :) And congratulations on finding the love of your life - I found mine at 18 and that's worked out really well. Haukur (talk) 12:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I can join you there – I've found mine at 17 and it's also been working great for quite a long time now. :) —Nightstallion 22:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

♥♥♥ Ah, to be young and in love! ♥♥♥ How's that for Wikilove? Kind regards to all! --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 11:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Myth2

Template:Myth2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Robofish (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Curious

Hello! I am curious, in a friendly way, about some of your edits where you claim that some names or not canonical English. Would love to know what you mean and what you base your POV on. Anwynd, for example, has been a well known English version of Anund for hundreds of years, the only acceptable English version in fact. Anund is definitely is not an English name. Bröt-Anund translates quite literally as Anwynd the Breaker. Translations and clarifications like that add value to articles about people with very strange names to the English eye. Bröt-Anund (without that translation) is phonetically difficult, practically impossible, in English and leaves an English reader without anything whatsoever of value as a name in English. Your edit there is like saying that Charles the Bald is not canonical English for Karl den skallige. Would you like me to stop translating epithets and such to English and stop clarifying names like this to our English readers, which is part of what I thought I would try to contribute to articles like that? If not, I would appreciate if you would reverse your Anund edit. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It's easy to find a lot of English sources using "Charles the Bald" and I can't find any using "Anwynd the Breaker". The article already gives the meaning of the name, more accurately and usefully than as "Anwynd the Breaker". Haukur (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me for asking (I don't know what else to do with you), but how does someone who does not even know how to spell lead (lede?) have the gumption to act over and over as if he/she were an expert on the English language? Bröt = bråte in Swedish = break in English. Anund in Swedish = Anwynd in English. These are the facts, to anyone who knows English (and Swedish), regardless of your personal POV. Your admixtures of irrelevant Icelandic and other ancient names, in bold font and in the leads of many articles, is not at all constructive to en:WP. I would appreciate if you would stop some of these less than knowledgeable edits which border on being disruptive. SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

PS I see that the slang word lede actually is acceptable WP lingo - sorry I did not know that! - but I stand by my opinion of some of your your edits, bordering on article ownership, nevertheless. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Einarr Skúlason

Hi, Haukurth. We've never dealt with each other directly on Wikipedia, but I've noticed the quality of your edits in your area of expertise and I have a question for you: Apparently, Einarr Skúlason wrote a verse about 6 of Aegir's daughters. After searching online, I came up with two editions of the verse. Here they are:

(A) Œsir hvast at hraustum | Himinglæva þyt sævar, | glymr Unnar vex, grenni | Göndlar skúfs, ok Dúfa; | brædd strýkr Blóðughadda, | brimsolgin fellr Kolga, | hlýr, þars Hefring stœrir | haflauðr, of við rauðan.

(B) Æsir hvast at hraustum | Himinglæfa þyt sævar, | (glymr Unnar vex) grenni | göndlar skúfs ok Dúfa. | Brædd strýkr Blóðughadda; | brimsólgin fellr Kólga; | hlýr skilr Hefríng stærir | haflöðr of við rauðan.

Is there any way you could dig up an English translation of this? I would prefer something I can cite, but I'd even be happy with something unpublished. Thanks in advance. —Aryaman (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It's apparently preserved in Snorri's Edda. On p. 141 in Faulkes' 1987 translation we have: "Himinglæva stirs up the roar of the sea against the brave..." but the rest of the verse isn't there. Bother. The verse will appear in English translation in Vol. 3, Poetry from Treatises on Poetics, in the new English translation - but I guess Vol. 3 is still a few years out.[37] I see Brodeur's translation also has only the first two lines; "Himinglæva sternly stirreth, And fiercely, the sea's wailing." Those are the only complete English translations of Skáldskaparmál I know of. If any translation will do you should go with Finnur Jónsson's Danish translation, his is still the standard edition (and it's conveniently available online). If an unpublished English translation is better I can cobble something together. Haukur (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip on Jónsson's Danish translation. After some digging, I was able to locate it:

"Himinglœva of Dúfa ophidser stœrkt søens brus mod den tapre kriger; Unns brusen tager til; Bloduhadda stryger de begede stavne, hvor Hefring rejser havskummet; den glubske Kolga styrter over de røde planker." [Jónsson, Finnur (1973:454). Den Norsk-Islandske Skyaldedigtning, B Rettet Tekst Første Bind. København: Rosenkilde og Bagger. (Online)]

My Danish is absolutely terrible, but I'm parsing it something like this:

"Himinglæva and Dúfa violently agitate the sea’s shower against the valiant warrior; Unn’s spray rushes forward; Blóðughadda hammers the warping prow, where Hefring raises the sea-foam; the ferocious Kolga jets over the red planks."

Is that anywhere near close? Thanks again for your help. —Aryaman (talk) 10:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not too far off. I'd rather teach a man to fish so here are a few more pointers: a) Finnur's A volumes have the diplomatic text of the manuscripts with any important variants. It's always worth checking those to see whether the verse is well preserved, whether there are important variant readings or whether Finnur felt emendations or a whole-scale reconstruction of a verse was called for. Admittedly it's hard to evaluate this data if you have little or no Old Norse but if you're doing anything at all scholarly you should at least take a look. b) The Danish text in the B volumes is something between a translation and a paraphrase. One of its characteristics is that almost all kennings are dissolved into plain words - in this particular verse grenni Göndlar skúfs ("feeder of the skua of Göndul") comes out as simply 'kriger'. c) The Old Norse text in front of the Danish paraphrase is a rearrangement of the verse into prose word order - a lot easier to deal with than the unmodified verse. d) Finnur's Lexicon Poeticum (available online) is an indispensable guide to his interpretation of the verses. e) Finnur's literary history is also often a valuable guide for understanding the choices he made in his skaldic edition. Haukur (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It seems like Jónsson's paraphrase is the best I'm going to be able to find for the time being. I'll definitely keep your tips in mind while working with Jónsson's editions in the future. Thanks again for all the help. -Aryaman (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Nine Types of Wood

I noticed your recent comment at Trollkyrka regarding nine types of wood. I have some information on that, if you interested. If not, just ignore the rest of this message. :)

Wuttke, Adolf (1869). Der deutsche Volksaberglaube der Gegenwart. Berlin: Wiegand & Grieben. link

"Neunerlei Holz, zu vielen Zauberzwecken verwandt, auch beim Notfeuer, wird von lauter in der alten Religion und im Aberglauben bedeutsamen Bäumen und Sträuchern entnommen, besonders Kreuzdorn, Holunder, Taxus (Pommern); es dürfen nur Bäume sein, die kein Steinobst tragen; dieses Holz wehrt bösen Zauber ab, und dient auch zur Erkennung der Hexen." §121 p. 93

"Gegen Abzehrung und andere "Suchten", das heisst schleichende Krankheiten überhaupt, wendet man in Pommern und Meklenburg das "Suchtenbrechen" an; man bricht von neun verschiedenen Bäumen, die kein Steinobst tragen, unter Nennung der drei heiligen Namen kleine Stücke, die unter Gebetsformeln in ein Gefäss mit Wasser geworfen werden; dadurch wird die Sucht des Kranken gebrochen, und sollte er auch mehrere Meilen entfernt sein; in gleichem Falle wird auf ähnliche Weise gewahrsagt." §538 p. 336.

For the analogous Vedic ritual from the Atharva Veda, in which 10 kinds woods instead of 9 are used, see:

Bloomfield, Maurice (1897). Hymns of the Atharva Veda. Oxford: Clarendon Press. pg. 34 (II, 9. "Possession by demons of disease, cured by an amulet of ten kinds of wood") and the accompanying note on pg. 291.link

I normally wouldn't say anything, but seeing as you helped me out recently, I thought I could at least try and return the favor - though, perhaps your comment at Trollkyrka was more rhetorical? Though, on second thought, it doesn't really answer your question. Ah, oh well. Anyways, thanks again. :) —Aryaman (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Rayner Lothbroc

Since you are one of the editors who have previously removed the addition of this term from the article on Ragnar Lodbrok, an additional input and clarification from you on Talk:Ragnar_Lodbrok#Rayner_Lothbroc might be helpful, as the issue still seem to be unresolved. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I really just don't have anything to add. If he wants the name included he has to show that it sees some use. He hasn't done that - mostly he just seems to be whining about you and me having poor English skills. That's irrelevant to the point of not being worth responding to. Haukur (talk) 15:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, had not noticed that section above on your talk page. All the best, Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Whining? Why use your English skills to insult people? I think you need to respond to that serious problem if you attempt to dominate articles on en.WP (English Wikipedia). Respond! Respond! To your own limitations! SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Muhuhaha, article domination! Soon I shall have wealth and might unique here on Wikipedia... Haukur (talk) 00:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Since you are an admin, could you see to that an article is deleted?

Sæll, kæri vin!

Long time no see and all that.

I stumbled upon a vandalistic article,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%B3ti_gerey%C3%B0ing

which deserves to be removed. Read it and you will be convinced.

Tóti gereyðing did not exist, and the alleged authors of the "Reference work" bear the improbable names of Bjarkz Gizurarson and Kylfi Th. Gíslason. I was no particular fan of Gylfi Þ. Gíslason, but this is a misuse of a name and offensive at that. Before you take action, you might want to look at the article's history. It's amazing. There are several changes to a "contribution" by a vandal.

Please have this removed. All the best Io (talk) 16:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Meyri vitleysan, ég eyddi þessu núna. Haukur (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Kærar þakkir. Svona hálfvitaháttur fer alveg geysilega í taugarnar á mér. Kær kveðja Io (talk) 16:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Gemination of vowels more frequent?

I noticed your comment in your recent Old Norse edit. I was pretty sure that gemination or ligation with itsself as a means of marking vowel length started during the 14th century or so, the tail end of Old Norse. Compare manuscripts from MeNoTa and their dates. I know you said it depends on the time period, but I'd say that 14th century on spelling conventions would be the exception, rather than the norm. LokiClock (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the main rule throughout the medieval period is that vowel length is not marked. A few old manuscripts do mark it with accents but once gemination (especially of aa) comes to the scene it becomes more widespread than the accent marks were. There are many more manuscripts from the 14th or 15th centuries than from the 12th and 13th centuries and many of the later manuscripts contain copies of earlier texts - so if you do need to deal with a lot of Old Norse texts I think you'll probably come across gemination more often than accents. But maybe I'm wrong - I mostly work with late manuscripts myself so that colors my view. Haukur (talk) 10:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

That is quite true, but 14th century is only very liberally classified as Old Norse, and 15th century on is decidedly Middle Icelandic. And of course there are going to be more manuscripts from the later time periods with more widespread wealth and literacy, that's why you can't judge an average orthography from sheer number alone. You can only really use numbers to accurately deduce the normal writing conventions of contemporaneous periods. LokiClock (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

*shrug* The division into time periods is arbitrary and varies between authors - Finnur Jónsson's history of Old Norse literature goes down to 1550. If you throw out the 14th century manuscripts you lose out an awful lot, including all extant copies of the Prose Edda. If you were describing the orthography of Ancient Greek you would presumably not constrain yourself to the scattered fragments from the 5th century BCE but describe the spelling of the—much later—manuscripts the texts are actually preserved in. But we don't have to debate this at length - my main point is that vowel length in Old Norse manuscripts is usually left unmarked, I don't think that's controversial. Haukur (talk) 17:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about my recent edit.

I have answered it. LokiClock (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

And replied. LokiClock (talk) 20:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried to clarify the statement you were asking about. Tell me if you think I succeeded.[38] LokiClock (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Non free content usage on wikipedia

I notice your comments at the discussion on drawings of people. Would you care to comment at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rama. It would be extremely useful to have comment from Wikipedians with a good understanding of the Wikipedia policy.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Very long time, very long see, eða á þýzku, lange Zeit, kein Meer

Sæll aftur!

Ég sé ekki, að þú hafir verið virkur á Wikiheimildinni undanfarið svo að ég spyr hér: 70 ára ártíð Einars Benediktssonar var fyrir fáum dögum. Er hann ekki þar með almenningseign? Ég setti a.m.k. inn 2 kvæði og brot af því þriðja inn eftir hann. Kær kveðja Io (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sæll sjálfur! Strangt til tekið er það reyndar ekki fyrr en 1. janúar 2011 sem kallinn kemst í almenningseign en sjálfsagt fer enginn að elta ólar við þetta. Haukur (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Trúleysi og sekúlarismi

Sæll. Ég fiktaði aðeins í kaflanum um lýðfræði í drögunum að greininni þinni. Í raun er þetta endurvinnsla á því sem ég bætti við greinina Religion in Iceland. Það má vera að þér finnist þetta hlutdrægt eða frjálsleg túlkun en þú breytir þessu þá bara. Það mætti kannski geta þess líka hvernig skráningu í trúfélög hefur hingað til verið háttað, að börn séu sjálfkrafa skráð í trúfélag móður; það skýrir tölfræðina að vissu leyti. Cessator (talk) 15:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks for all your support, then and now! A pessimistic prognosis was understandable—I try to be an optimist, but realistically I only put the odds at about 50-50 going in. (It was especially disappointing when the very first vote was an oppose...) When you get kicked enough times, it's hard to imagine that the next moment won't bring with it yet another kick. But this whole years-long ordeal has been a learning experience, too, and I think it's made it possible for me to be a better admin than I was before. Anyone who expects me to fall back into some kind of controversy or, worst of all, close an AfD, is going to be very surprised. Anyone who expects me to be a hyper-vigilant guardian of the wiki may be disappointed, too, because I'm still going to focus overwhelmingly on content creation—I'll just do some occasional vandal-fighting and chores on the side. Too much admin work is just plain unhealthy. :) Everyking (talk) 01:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

For me???

Ooooohhhhh my goodness. It is quite an honor (and surprise) to be receiving my first barnstar, and I should say that you being the benefactor gives it much of its weight for me. LokiClock (talk) 01:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Collingwood images

Haha, I agree. Since I don't have a decent image processing program at the moment, would you be able to perform some basic editing on these? Thanks, –Holt (T•C) 22:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It is not really that necessary anymore, since I got the pictures again with a proper scanner and used the simple crop functions I have on my computer. It's up to you. –Holt (T•C) 02:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Icesave dispute - Can you clarify please

Hi Haukurth

I saw your recent edit to the Icesave dispute. I agree the feb 2010 talks need a new section, so thanks. I do have a question after your edit (blame it to my non existent knowledge of the Icelandic language that I could not figure out from the sources). As it reads now the sections suggests that: (1) Iceland went to London to make an offer (2) UK and NL rejected that, but made their own offer; which Iceland rejected (3) Iceland made another offer (ie not the one mentioned in 1) which UK and NL rejected.

This is not very clear, as it may also be possible that the Icelandic offer 1 and 3 were the same; and even more confusing, it may be possible that Iceland came to London with their offer (1 and 3), and the UK and the NEtherlands with theirs (2), and that the offers were all mutually rejected.

As the text stands now I am not sure what the situation is. So I think we should rewrite a bit. If you can tell (here) or on Icesave dispute talk, which of the 3 stories it is that should be there, I can make a first go at restructuring the new paragraph. Thanks Arnoutf (talk) 12:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, yeah, there is definitely plenty of room for confusion. So, first Iceland comes in with a totally new offer - which basically involves changing some Icelandic laws and changing the way Landsbanki assets are handled in order to get more money to the UK and the Netherlands without the Icelandic government having to pay for it directly. The UK and the Netherlands rejected this offer but came up with a new one of their own. Their offer is much less radical - it is based on previous agreements but with different interest conditions. The Icelanders rejected this offer but made a counterproposal involving different interest conditions (so, the second Icelandic offer is based on the UK&N offer and not on the first Icelandic offer). The UK&N rejected this offer. That's the way I understand it anyway - it's hard to get a clear picture because the negotiations are not public and the reporters rely on leaks to some extent.

Now, the Icelandic politicians seem to agree that the most recent UK&N offer is better for Iceland than the December deal. But the December deal (or, strictly, the law allowing it) is up for a referendum in a couple of weeks. With a better offer on the table the December deal seems obsolete and the referendum is in a weird position. Haukur (talk) 13:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I tried to rephrase the section to make this clearer, but I do agree that all the non-public meetings make it hard to be sure. I guess we have to keep track on how it evolves (also in relation to the 6 march referendum). By the way, Dutch media suggested that the new negiotiation was indeed intended to circumvent the referendum. Seems like a logical step, getting rid of the uncertainty of a referendum, by coming up with a new agreement (taking some loss (UK/NL perspective) but gaining a lot of certainty. But that was very speculative so I have not added it. If you have a good source supporting that this was indeed the reason for the february meetings, please add something like it. Cheers Arnoutf (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Icelandic politicians have been very explicit that they hoped they could strike a new deal before the referendum and then cancel the referendum. I'll see about another look at the article tomorrow. Haukur (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Dutch media have not been picking up on that, but then again, we had some Olympic successes and drama's, and the fall of our government, so attention was probably elsewhere. Arnoutf (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Odin Iconography?

Hi, Haukurth. I was curious as to whether or not you knew of any literature discussing the interesting details of the iconography (for lack of a better term) of representations of Odin in Icelandic manuscripts. In particular, I had the following images in mind:

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Are these all from the same manuscript? If so, is it known if they were done by the same hand? I'm particularly interested in two features:

• The "sunflower" which appears to grow out of Odin's neck (?) in three of the images, all bearing a human face.
• The "trident" form, which appears prominently in his hat, in Sleipnir's tack, in the weapon/sceptre he's wielding in the second image (strangely reminiscent of a vajra), and, somewhat elaborated, at the top of "Valhalla" in the fourth.

Any information you could supply on this would be helpful. Thanks, --Aryaman (talk) 20:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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Boxes on mythology articles

Sorry, I can't understand what you think when you are saying that in page about that giant no need infobox - isn't more clearer. Everything in that infobox is right, I wrote the same things from text on page.--Mychele (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Writing the same thing twice doesn't make it clearer. Haukur (talk) 20:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mychele Trempetich (talk • contribs) 11:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Íslenzk málmyndalýsing - ef þú nennir

Sæll!

Það er orðið allt of langt síðan, en ég er enn á lífi. Ég varði talsverðum tíma í greinasafnið Islandsk sprog og Danir virtust nokkuð sáttir. Ég er reyndar fremur ánægður með kaflann Nydannelsesteknik, en það efni hefi ég ekki séð tekið fyrir áður á sama hátt.

Annars sérðu af greinunum, sem vísað er í, að ég er talsvert gefinn fyrir hreina málmyndalýsingu, en þó með athugasemdum. Þekkirðu einhvern, sem nennir að þýða þetta á ensku? Ég held sjálfur að þetta sé betri grein (og greinar) en eru í ensku Wikipedíunni. Kær kveðja eftir mörg ár. :-) Io (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sæll, og ég þakka hólið. Verkið er þó ekki fullunnið og sjálfur ætla ég í wikifrí (nema hvað ég mun hjálpa brazilískum skjólstæðingi með íslenzku endrum og eins). Ég er, eins og áður sagði, ekki rétt ánægður með ensku greinina, þótt ég eigi víst einhvern slatta í henni. Svo að það dæmist á aðra að þýða og betrumbæta, ef þér finnst það við hæfi. Það var gaman að heyra í þér aftur. Kær kveðja Io (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Jónas Kristjánsson

Greetings. As part of the Unreferenced BLP Rescue Project, I have added some sources to the article on Jónas Kristjánsson which you originally created long ago. I am looking for a source for the text, "His novel, The Wide World, is set in Viking age North America," i.e., an ISBN number or something to verify he wrote the book. Perhaps you could help? Cheers.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 16:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I am embarrassed by those old unreferenced articles! I'm happy you have rescued this one. Here's an article about Jónas as a novelist: [39] Haukur (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

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Femininity

Feb 21, 2011 Being interested in anthropology I have at times followed the development of this article. A year or so ago it seemed to be taking different POV into account. Now it has given way to an ideological approach, reducing "femininity" to simple physical "femaleness". This is blatantly one-sided, not worthy of an encyclopedia. Femininity, for most people, still suggests distinctive traits of character, ways of behaving, reaction towards others, etc. etc. that go deeper than what is merely physical. This idea is not an outdated cultural or religious prejudice that deserves little notice (here it gets none). It is an idea that has been present over the ages, permeating art and culture. In modern times it was defended by Sigmund Freud, Margaret Mead, Virginia Woolfe, etc. not in the name of the Bible, etc. but in that of an objective understanding of the richness of having two distinctive human modes of expressing humanity: the masculine and the feminine. To ignore that viewpoint is the make a totally one-sided and prejudiced presentation. I would suggest a presentation that gives both A) the more 'traditional' view of femininity; and B) the more recent views that react from this concept and tend to reduce the term to a simple difference in body parts. I can write some of the first; and even outline aspects of the second (where I think I could do a better job than what is represented in the current article), and leave the completion of that to others. [Since this is a feeler, so as to see what people think, let me single out just two concrete points in the present article which reveal a narrowness of approach, verging on the ridiculous. 1) large breast size and cleavage are presented as a main parameter of femininity. But this is to talk about femaleness, not femininity. Audrey Hepburn is a classical example of a woman considered very feminine - even though her breasts were small and she had little cleavage. 2) Female body shape and Corset... Here the emphasis on femaleness is again clear. To highlight 'corset', etc. in an article on femininity, is indeed to corset the scope of an encyclopedia article.]Unimpeder (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Feb 27, 2011 From the discussion page about ‘Femininity’, you seem to be one of those who have taken most part in developing this article. A week ago I posted the above on my talk-page, in the hope it might begin a discussion. I would be glad to have your reaction to my proposal, as I think the present article is one-sided and simply not worthy of Wikipedia. However, I see no point in working at a more comprehensive presentation of the theme - if someone is going to revert it each time. So I would like to talk first. A year ago, the article opened in a fairly balanced way: “Distinct from femaleness, which is a biological and physiological classification concerned with the reproductive system, femininity principally refers to secondary sex characteristics and other behaviors and features generally regarded as being more prevalent and better suited to women, whether inborn or socialized. In traditional Western culture, such features include gentleness, patience, sensitivity and kindness.[citation needed]. Nursing certainly calls for such traits, which may well explain the fact that women are generally considered to make better nurses.” The last sentence about nursing was added by me at that time. I see now that this was removed by Uschick in April 2010, after someone had observed “In my experience this [that women are generally considered to make better nurses] is not necessarily true, and nothing this specific should be stated without any supporting sources.” If you want commonsense support of my statement, go out and ask the first ten men and women you meet. I think that the whole paragraph should be restored in the rewriting of the article; one supporting reference might be the following: ‘According to the U.S. Dept. Of Labor. “Women comprised 92.1 percent of RNs in 2003" (http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/qf-nursing.htm).’ The 92.1% says something to the point. [Might someone take this figure as indicating discrimination against women? Perhaps; but he would need good arguments and plenty of [non-biased] ‘supporting sources’] Looking forward to hearing what you think.Unimpeder (talk) 14:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, sorry, I only just saw this now. I'm afraid I haven't thought about the subject in years and I doubt I have anything useful to contribute. Good luck! Haukur (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Deleted photos

hi, A bot deleted a ton of photos from Steamtown, USA suddenly and without warning. Those photos were from an online acquaintance who gave me permission. If I didn't upload them correctly I wish I would have a chance to fix the problem. The article is a GA, has been on DYK and I am trying for FA. According to the bot talk page there have been problems with it deleting images that should be. Can you please help. --Ishtar456 (talk) 02:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I posted you because you had posted something about blocking this bot on the user page. But I am putting this concern in at the commons. Thanks

I'm mostly inactive now so I'm glad you've taken the matter elsewhere. Good luck! Haukur (talk) 20:26, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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Morphology misinformation

Sæll! User:91.148.159.4 deleted some Old Norse morphology info about the Norse past participle without checking the sources. However, they made a minor edit afterwards and I'm afraid I don't have the privaleges to undo the earlier edit. Would you fix it? ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 12:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

(this is resolved)

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Lárus Halldór Grímsson

Even if he was NN five years ago, he appears to barely pass now. Bearian (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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day of the o-ogonek

I always assumed that if the ogonek became well enough supported, we could switch to using it. If that day has come, then that's all good. Haukur (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, some real-world testing has proven me wrong. Most of the old browsers are now fading quickly... but the default Google browser on Android tablets and smartphones (about 60+million people aka >10% of our readership) comes with a stripped-down font that has no o-ogonek. This is not a technical limitation, but an engineering tradeoff... because 3rd-party browsers for those devices work with o-ogonek just fine. Thus, there is hope, that in the future, auto-update will suddenly make all those so-called modern devices compliant with typography which has been around since the 1100s. Sigh. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and please accept my apologies on behalf of the tech-wallahs of the world. May we one day straighten up and fly right. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 00:02, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done with the testing! We'll keep playing the waiting game, then. Good old waiting game. Haukur (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
• Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
• Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news

• When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
• Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
• The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries

• JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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13:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know if this is the right place?

I don't know if you ever got my message that I used information you created to make Irreligion in Iceland. If you wish to further alter it please do. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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Silly to delete the article on Rathindranath Tagore

It was silly on your part to delete the article on Rathindra Babu in 2006. You didn't notice that he had done some notable contributions for rural farmers in Bengal and even missed out the information of his leadership of the Viswa-Bharati University. Message by Slugsheir, 1 Feb, 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.247.85.156 (talk)

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ArbCom 2019 special circular

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Signpost case

Hello Haukur, as you are the filer of this ArbCom case, I invite you to read paragraph 4 of my statement, where I provided some evidence. This is because I expect to leave Wikipedia shortly, and I may not be involved in the ArbCom case further. starship.paint (talk) 01:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll keep an eye on this. Haukur (talk) 09:44, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for arbitration declined

The request for arbitration Disputed_Signpost_article has been declined by the committee. The arbitrators' comments about the request can be viewed here. SQL^{Query me!} 22:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Runes

Hi, I've reinserted runes for Odin and Tyr based on the Ribe Skull fragment... thoughts on that? We don't appear to have an article on that artefact, which we should probably address. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 08:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, that ghastly thing. We definitely should write an article on it. I'll grant you that for 'uþin' but 'hutiur' is pretty obscure and debated. Haukur (talk) 10:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm looking at the 12th C Bryggen rune stick B380, which also has Odin as inscribed on it. The first rune is not clear... how do you interpret it? Catfish Jim and the soapdish 13:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I can't make it out from what pictures I have but there's a transcription of it on page 30 in that MacLeod-Mees book. Haukur (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I've made a start on the article: Ribe skull fragment Catfish Jim and the soapdish 15:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Good work! Maybe get a DYK out of it? Haukur (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Removing others' posts

Since I'm gay myself you can take your homophobia accusation [41] and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. I have restored my post; standards for discussion contributions are not set by the least comprehending person present, and more formally WP:TPO provides Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. I object, so if you don't like it open a thread somewhere on the subject and see what kind of laugh you get.

As for my prior blocks, I get clueless references to it, such as yours, often enough that I have a bit of a canned response to it: You obviously missed the userbox at the top of my user page...

This user has been blocked several times, and isn't embarrassed about it - (admire my block log here!).

... not to mention such threads as "Hands-down the worst block I've seen in my time on Wikipedia, and I've seen some whoppers" and "Unblocked" so on. I leave them on my user page for all to see. Since your activity for most of the last ten years [42] has been limited to the one edit per year required to maintain your admin status, you're probably unaware of what happened to admins who tried to pull this kind of stunt in the past (e.g. [43][44][45]); most are either no longer admins or no longer editing. You should probably think about why that is. EEng 17:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

You are applying a gay stereotype to a user in order to insult him. Whether or not the comment was intentionally homophobic, it is inappropriate commentary that constitutes a personal attack. I hope you reconsider and remove the image and caption. – Anne drew 18:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

You made fun of a use and threw out the "f" (not not that "f" work), that's a personal attack , WP:PA says so. Of course you gonna get blocked. If I was Hakurth, you would still be blocked, and I'd extend it for this grave dancing! Wekeepwhatwekill (talk) 20:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

• Haukurth has shown he can grow and learn. How about you two? EEng 03:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

  I am so sorry I asked you to retract a personal attack. I won't expect established editors follow our conduct policies ever again. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. – Anne drew 18:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

  But it wasn't a personal attack, as the universal opinion at ANI confirms; that you can't see that speaks to your ignorance and lack of sophistication. I and others have been cutting you some slack because you appear to be a young person inexperienced in the ways of the world, but if you keep this up you're gonna get one of my patented beat-downs reserved for the stubbornly impenetrable, and I don't think Haukurth wants that here on his talk page. So smarten up: listen more and mouth off less. EEng 19:54, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

  Your denial of making a personal attack would be more convincing if it didn't itself contain multiple insults. – Anne drew 20:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)