User talk:Haukurth/Archive1

Hello Haukurth, and welcome to the english Wikipedia. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some helpful pages:

• Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers
• Wikipedia:How to edit a page

If you have further questions, feel free to ask them on

• Wikipedia:Village pump
• My talk page

Have a lot of fun -- Cordyph 17:41 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Íslenska Wikipedia

Hæ, sá viðbótir þínar á Trawler og á Reykjavíkurgreininni. Svona ef þú hefðir áhuga á því er einnig til Wikipedia á íslensku sem hægt er að krota á;). -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 05:54, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

Trawler image

Hello, I noticed you didn't clarify how you wanted Image:Togari.jpg released in terms of its copyright status. Providing such information would prove invaluable. Thanks! Sarge Baldy 20:31, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

The same goes with Image:The pond.jpg BrokenSegue 19:43, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hrafnkels saga pronunciation

Have you ever contributed to Wikimedia Commons? If so, have you ever contributed any pronunciation files (in OGG format)? I am particularly interested in hearing how names and locations in the Hrafnkels saga are pronounced, I also feel this would be an invaluable addition to the Hrafnkels saga article. I have asked you because you seem particularly interested in the saga, the development of the article and are Icelandic. I will also be asking on Commons pronunciation requests and on the Icelandic Wikipedia. --Oldak Quill 18:27, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the file. WAV files are disallowed from uploading, I believe. Try to see if http://www.download.com/ have a WAV->OGG or MP3->OGG converter with which you could change it. The programme I used has run its trial period. --Oldak Quill 19:02, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Gosh, your Hrafnkels saga article is impressive. Nice work. Ground 04:18, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thank you :) I love the "Wikipedia loves me" picture you've got on your page. Haukurth 16:45, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

thanks H

Thank you for the article on Hrafnkel's Saga. I am a contributer to wikipedia and get into frequent arguments with my Icelandic father about it's validity and particularly about its reliability. Your article will will be not only a good read but an [almost] irrefutable example of wikipedia at its best. Perhaps now I can squeeze more out of Dad than the few bits I got for the Hannes Hafstein [ his grandfather] article. Carptrash 03:24, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hrafnkels saga

Your article is masterly. I have added Fóstbroeðra saga and Kormáks saga to my watchlist and eagerly await developments. --Theo (Talk) 11:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hrafnkels saga

Your article is masterly. I have added Fóstbroeðra saga and Kormáks saga to my watchlist and eagerly await developments. --Theo (Talk) 11:20, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Haukurth

You might want to contribute to this discussion: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Old Norse, dates and subgroups).--Wiglaf 07:17, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

í sambandi við greinina History of Iceland

Þakkir fyrir leiðréttinguna, þótt að mér finnist þú frekar harðorður í garð hernámsliðsins. Endilega hjálpaðu mér við að bæta þessa grein frekar. Zoso 18:31, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Old Norse names, spelling convention

Hi Haukurth, you asked about a spelling agreement. ATM, my point of view is that we should have standardized Old Norse forms throughout, except for common names of gods, such as Thor and Odin. However, Jallan had a point when he said that the Old Norse forms are not conventionally used in encyclopedias. OTOH, it seems like you and I are the only ones at Wikipedia who care at the moment, so if you want to have standardized Old Norse forms, I guess standardized Old Norse forms should be regarded as a consensus decision. If you agree with this we could make a joint suggestion and wait a month or so for other opinions.--Wiglaf 09:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree with your points, and I have added an exception that I believe you'll agree with. I am not sure of how to delimit Norse mythology from kings, though. As you can see in Ynglings and semi-legendary Swedish kings, the limit is vague (and controversial). The limits of the convention should perhaps be established on a case to case basis.--Wiglaf 06:29, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I think we're in perfect agreement, but on one point. Œ can be shown on all machines, but not o-ogonëk. Consequently, I am only suggesting that o-ogonëk not be used as a standard, although I don't object to its usage.--Wiglaf 13:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

It is the o-ogonëk which is the problem here, because it is peculiar to Icelandic, and can easily be replaced with ö. The oe-ligature, however, exists in other languages and works on all machines.--Wiglaf 13:33, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I am perfectly happy with the present version, and I believe that this standard will work on all systems.--Wiglaf 14:41, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Disagree. I just noticed the move of Thrud to Þrúðr, and would like to point out a couple of things here. The convetion is to use the name that would most commonly be used by searchers, not the "most technically correct" name (for example "Jimmy Carter", not "James Earl Carter, Jr."). See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). With a quick look at Google, 12400 hits for "Thrud" and 361 for "Þrúðr", I think that gives some indication as to which is more commonly used. So I don't think you should assume a consensus, especially when it is going against established conventions.

If you are unsure about moving pages, there is a place to discuss them Wikipedia:Requested moves. I'm not sure how Wiglaf has decided, "OTOH, it seems like you and I are the only ones at Wikipedia who care at the moment." ... Looking at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Old Norse/Old Icelandic/Old English), it appears there is not a consensus. Reaching a private agreement between two persons to sidestep the community is not the way to do it.

The second point is that you should not do cut-and-paste moves, because that disoranizes the page history, leaving some under one title and some under another title. If you really are going to move pages, that's what the "move" tab is for at the top of the page; that keeps the page history intact. See the topic Help:Renaming (moving) a page. --Tabor 23:15, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll just say that it doesn't appear that the two of you are respecting community consensus when you make statements like "we are the only two who care about it" and start implementing the changes barely a day after posting your new proposal, especially after no consensus was reached on the old one. --Tabor 00:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of information

I am surprised with you Haukurth. Can you explain why you have removed this information [1]?--Wiglaf 19:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I've finished editing valkyrie for now. Please let me know if you think I've diminished the quality of the article. Haukurth 02:59, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Much better than before =), but now there probably is a number of orphan articles, which should either be linked or deleted.--Wiglaf 04:39, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I am much impressed with your work. These articles needed you.--Wiglaf 13:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you! Everyking 19:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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w00t! I noticed your edits on Ullr and subsequently found out that you have done lots of excellent additions! It's great with someone who edits mercilessly by replacing semi-correct information with correct and referenced ditto, rather than simply deleting it. Just don't get worn out! Salleman 00:03, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tjodolf

I don't like to nitpick, but should it not be Þjóðólfr or Hvinir.--Wiglaf 10:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:Manuscript loki.jpg

Hi, I'm cleaning up copyright problems, in response to your query about this image, there are two things that come into play, they artists copyright expires after x years (it depends where you are in the world) however an archive or library can claim copyright on an image for digitising it, especially if it was never in published to begin with. In this case the library doesn't seem to mind that low res images are used online, so I would include your translation on the image description pages, a link to the original and add the template {{fairold}}, as well as keeping the PD template already on the images there, until they clarify their position on releasing the digital images into the public domain. I hope this clears thing up somewhat, I see no reason why these images would have to be deleted. --nixie 11:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've gone through the list of possible tags again, this one {{CopyrightedFreeUse}} is probably more appropriate. I agree that the decision by Jimbo has made image copyrights a lot more messy. --nixie 12:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Attribution}} has been deprecated and replaced by a creative commons licence, so these images may get purged at some point. So the other options would be {{CopyrightedFreeUse}} and you include the name of the source and the manuscript number on the image page, or {{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat}} once again including the name and number. The best idea might be to make a specific template for the source, like this one {{FinnishDefenceForces}}, that way you can easily keep track of all the images from there, and adjust the template as wikipedia adjusts its images copyright ;). --nixie 23:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Looks good, make sure you also add the template to the list of image copyright tags. Thanks for your diligence sorting out these copyrights--nixie 00:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rök Stone

But it says on Swedish wikipedia that they are allowed [2]. Have I missed something?--Wiglaf 12:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Help requested

Hi Haukurth, I believe I have a problem that only you can solve. There is a saga I'd like to write an article on. It is called The Tale of Roi the Fool in English. Do you know what it is called in Old Norse?--Wiglaf 19:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Frithjof

I have started to use Old West Norse forms of the names when I write articles and I think it is a reasonable standard (although I would have preferred Old East Norse forms ;). Concerning Frithjof, I started to change my mind when a casual reader at once requested "English" forms, and when I realized that the story owes its fame to Esaias Tegnér. I think this article would benefit from having "modernised" Scandinavian forms due Tegnér. This decision will not influence the standard otherwise, and I hope that you'll agree on this exception.

Thanks for giving me the genitive of Hrói. I found the name of the saga at once through google.--Wiglaf 07:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

For example I don't think it's necessary to include West Norse transcriptions of rune texts like you've been doing (though it is convenient for many people, I suppose).Haukurth 11:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My source [3] gives the inscription in both East Norse and West Norse, and I think it may also be interesting for people to compare the dialects.--Wiglaf 13:02, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The problem comes with such things as legendary Swedish kings, where the subject is East Norse but the sources are mostly West Norse. - Haukurth 11:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have been thinking of that myself. I think the names should be given in both dialects at least. East Norse is relevant because Swedish readers might get stumped on for instance Braut-Önundr whereas Brøt-Anundr is easy to recognise for them as the good old Bröt-Anund from the school books. Moreover, I am fascinated with the possibility of them being based on real people and the names they may have had.--Wiglaf 13:02, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Synopsis

If you have the time and the energy, you could consider writing a synopsis on Hálfdanar saga Eysteinssonar. I am unable to find a synopsis in English or Swedish and even though I understand a lot of Old Norse, I may get things wrong. I'd be very grateful for it.--Wiglaf 13:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FPC Redwing Nest

Thanks for supporting the image :) Your comment cheered up me and my wife. These were exactly our thoughts - the image might not be studio quality but the moment we caught was inherently interesting and illustrative. - Haukurth 1 July 2005 12:49 (UTC)

Credit where credit is due - its an effective picture. My only concern was whether taking a picture like this might have disturbed the parents. I'm sure I've heard warnings on wildlife programmes, but I've always suspected that they are somewhat over-cautious since the reality is that nature is 'red in touth and claw' and a ground nesting bird must be used to other animals coming across the nest.

One of the problems with WP:FPC is that people don't always consider the effect negative comments might have on the person who took the photograph. Unlike FAC, photographs are usually much more of a solo effort, so it is difficult not to take criticism personally. If at the end of the day we discourage people from contributing photographs, then FPC would be being counter-productive. I've commented on it a few times on the talk page, but I should probably write a guidance page for new contributors and critics. -- Solipsist 1 July 2005 15:11 (UTC)

Rydberg

Hi Haukurth! I saw your comment on Elf. So, the information that Idunn was a daughter of Ivaldi comes from Rydberg? If so, I think it should be removed.--Wiglaf 8 July 2005 11:35 (UTC)

This is a bit complicated but the paragraph in question is clearly based on Rydberg's theories. I didn't remove it yesterday because I didn't want to break the flow of the text. Iðunn does seem to be said to be the daughter of Ívaldi in Hrafnagaldur Óðins which Rydberg relied on but most other scholars have dismissed.

If Hrafnagaldur Óðins suggests it, then it's OK, I guess.--Wiglaf 8 July 2005 13:51 (UTC)

BTW I finally read the fornaldarsaga you mentioned to me. Maybe I'll get around to writing a synopsis one of those days. - Haukurth 8 July 2005 12:56 (UTC)

It would be appreciated :).--Wiglaf 8 July 2005 13:51 (UTC)

FPC robin nest

Thank you for your comment about the robin nest that i nominated for FPC. It made me happy ot hear possitive feedback on the picture. I hope that now that the voting for the picture has begun, that you may give it your support.

Thank you very much again. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 12:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:ValkyrieOnHorse.jpg

I should have said "inconsistent with traditional..." (rather than "modern", although I was referring to 1800's modern, as I understand that the tradition is not warlike, these being a selector of and guide to Vahalla for the spirits of (chosen) fallen warriors. Care to revert and correct, or is this in error? please inform me here, I will watch. By the way, what does "Sinding" mean? Leonard G. 22:55, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I cleaned up the image notes to be consistent with your article edits (contrasted active image with romantic period images). Thanks for the additional information. Leonard G. 03:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Bragi Olafsson

Hi Haukurth, and great work on Norse mythology!!! Concerning uncontroversial moves such as Bragi Olafsson, there is no need to post it on requested moves. Just ask me next time, and I'll move it in an instant.--Wiglaf 18:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Legend vs myth

Well, I just realised that it is a very hard distinction to maintain. I remove the category on legends.--Wiglaf 21:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Excellent work

Haukurth, I am impressed with what you're doing with Norse mythology. Keep on with the good work.--Wiglaf 07:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Hrafnkels saga

Hi Haukurth,

I'm Manchot sanguinaire from the French wikipedia, and I'd like to let you know that the translation of your excellent article about Hrafnkels saga is now complete. See fr:Saga de Hrafnkell for further details.

Congratulations for your hard work,

Manchot sanguinaire 18:55 PM, August 3rd 2005

Kveðja frá Hrafni

Sæll Haukur og takk fyrir kveðjurnar. Ég er svona að læra á þetta alltsaman. Tók hellingstíma að finna út hvernig ég gæti skrifað skilaboð eins og þessi. Vona að það sé að takast. Eins og þú sérð, komst ég annars að þeirri niðurstöðu að ég hefði verið full fljótfær þegar ég valdi mér notandanafn, enda var klukkan um 3 að nóttu. En mér finnst þetta meiriháttar spennandi vefur og dáist að því hvað margir leggja greinilega gríðarlega vinnu í að gera greinar sem bezt úr garði. Heyrumst! A-Hrafn 14:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Rök stone

Thanks. We were staying with my parents and they said that they had stumbled on a remarkable runestone with an open-air museum not far from where they live. We went there and I took some pictures.--Wiglaf 21:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Ég man eftir þér núna

Þú svaraðir heiðarlega spurningunni "hver ert þú?" endur fyrir löngu. Ég heiti það fágætu nafni, að ég kýs að vera þekktur sem Io. Það er kannski hugleysi, en þannig er ég. En hvað aldur, stöðu og menntun get ég sagt, að ég er miklu eldri en þú, er byggingarverkfræðingur að mennt, gekk í MR og hefi áhuga á, tja, býsna mörgu, meðal annars tungumálum, sögu og raungreinum. Lituðu beygingatöflurnar og jafnlitaður listi yfir íslenzka forsætisráðherra lýsa mér nokkuð vel. Þú sagðir, að þær minntu þig á einhvern. Sá og ég erum eflaust svipaðir.

Kveðja Io 19:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Placing users in danger

Haukur, FYI Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Placing_users_in_danger SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:27, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Fenrir

Hér með leiðréttur með viðeigandi auðmýkt. Breyttu því, sem breyta þarf, en þú ert örugglega sammála því, að "Fenris" eitt og sér sé kvöl. :) Io 18:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Lexicon Poeticum

Fyrst þú vitnaðir í Eybjörn, þá dettur mér í hug spurningin, veiztu, hvort hann hefir gefizt upp á síðunni sinni? Lexicon Poeticum hefir ekki verið uppfært síðan í marz 2003. Kveðja Io 18:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Hann talaði við mig nýlega um að hann þyrfti að komast aftur í þetta. Þetta er bara svo mikil vinna. En hvettu hann endilega til dáða! Hann verður alltaf glaður að heyra af fólki sem notar þetta. - Haukurth 18:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for the Barnstar, and also for your efforts with regard to the whole Amalekite affair. It's important to raise these issues and speak out, even if it's on behalf of those with quite objectionable ideologies. — Matt Crypto 01:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

"(We don't need EVERY detail about his family tree, okay?)"

Hello Haukurth: Good luck with your move - but that is NOT why I am here. I am almost in an editing war regarding an article [that I did not write] about Einar H. Kvaran. The last edit came with the comment "(We don't need EVERY detail about his family tree, okay?)" I figured that if every Icelander on wikipedia suggested that in fact we do need every detail - or at least a lot of them - then perhaps this person would back off a bit. If you go to the article and look at the history you will pick up the thread. Carptrash 03:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC) PS I just added myself to the Icelandic wikipedians list as being associated with Iceland, as opposed to living there. You might sign up too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Iceland

Just another note about the User Category system Carptrash mentioned above. I'm going to redirect the old Iceland Wikipedians page now, so I wanted to let you know, as you are listed there. JesseW, the juggling janitor 05:53, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Baldr

Sorry for taking some time to reply. I'm a little busy IRL right now. I favor of course the standardized Old Norse forms, as I say in the vote thread. Btw, is the r in Baldr a nominative case marker? It seems strange then that his name in the mainland Scandinavian languages doesn't become Bald. That English translators would shun this form is obviously no surprise. --Salleman 03:01, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Eybjörn

Eybjörn hefir unnið mjög merkilegt starf við að koma fornkvæðum og Lexicon Poeticum á vefinn. Þú hvattir mig ekki alls fyrir löngu til að senda honum kveðju og hvatningu. Þá kemur spurningin, hvert á ég að senda það? Ég er sem sé að spyrja um netfang, sem ég fann ekki við fyrstu leit á síðunni hans. Mér þætti sárt að sjá þetta framtak deyja og vildi því gjarnan fá netfang til að senda góð orð til. Ef þú getur ekki gert það hér, geturðu alltaf sent mér einkaskeyti.

Beztu kveðjur Io 20:57, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Eybjörn, aftur

Nú finnst mér ég vera heimskur. Netfangið blasti við. Fyrirgefðu ónæðið, en ég þakka þér vinsamleg samskipti í tímanna rás.

Kveðja Io 21:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Skuld

In regarding your vote, for the sake of the argument, think of someone looking for the Norse mythology pricness, skuld, up on wikipedia. He/she will end up with a norse mythology character thats not the one he/she is looking for. This will minimise conflusion. I ask you to reconsider your vote. Thanks --Cool Cat ^Talk 17:03, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

History of Iceland

"Ordering Icelanders by first name. I got away with this in Hrafnkels saga (FA) so I'm hoping to get away with it here :))"

Yes, yes, I know you Icelanders work with names like that... weirdos. ::grin:: The only reason I changed it was because it is an English language article. AFAIK, the rules for citing sources at Wikipedia have yet to be 'set in stone', but I do know that for texts written in English the sources are almost always listed using the author's cognomen rather than his/her praenomen. I have no problem with you getting away with sneaking in a bit of Icelandic formatting with those references ::wink::, but I wanted to at least address this point so that those tracking the changes to that article do not conclude I am a moron for listing them in order by cognomens. So, sure, leave it in the Icelandic formatting if you wish- I can understand the reasoning for it from your perspective. P.MacUidhir 16:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I have no issue with that sort of logic, but you already knew I would be a sympathetic person toward those citation format preferences of yours. :) As for the images, I have a few of them ready to send your way via our FTP site. I made copies in greyscale as well as in colour, and did them in 1200 dpi as well as 600 dpi. Let me know what combination of those four that you would prefer. You are going to upload them here to Wikipidia, yes? I have seen something here called the Commons that accepts such copyright-free materials, and you seem to be a contributor of images here judging from your account history. P.MacUidhir 21:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Höðr > Hodur ?

Consider it done. :) P.MacUidhir 08:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Anglicizations proposal

Óðinn

Etymology: Debated. Possibly from òðr (fury) + -in (lord)

Cognates: Wõden (OE, OS), Wotan or Wothan (OHG), Wodan (OF), Wuoden (Al), Godan (Lo)

Possible anglicizations: Odin, Ódin, Othin, Odhin, Odinn, [etc]

On East Asia related pages, they sometimes have a transliterations box listing all notable alternative names. See for example tao, qi, kirin and Zen. We could perhaps come up with something similar, as seen to the right. This would remove the long list of anglicized names from the body of the article, thus making it more readable.

Concerning other systems, I prefer putting the anglicized names in an etymology section, in an alternative names section or, if it is a short article such as Sæhrímnir, at the end of it. --Salleman 22:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I like it. How about you add it to the discussion on our much maligned ON spelling standard? Maybe we could rewrite it and incorporate something like that. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, but I guess that calls for me producing like three page downs of elaborate text, explaining all the fine details about the proposal; something like your posts on that page. It just sprang to my mind that the box also needs a row about alternative names, such as Yggr, Hárr, Grímnir, Valfaðir Valföðr, Alfaðir Alföðr, etc --Salleman 22:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Höðr > Hodur ? aftur

Sæll Haukur!

Ég er það ryðgaður í Wikipediu að ég er með spurningu. Hvernig fer maður að því að greiða atkvæði gegn þessari óhæfu? Nógu slæmt var að missa u-hljóðvarpið, en þetta tekur út yfir allan þjófabálk.

Kveðja Io 17:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Fann þetta út sjálfur. Eins og þú máttir vænta var atkvæðið "strongly opposed". Kveðja Io 18:09, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Eybjörn

Fyrir nokkru hvattir þú mig til að senda Eybirni góð orð og hlý, fyrir ómetanlega vinnu í þágu íslenzkra fræða. Nú finn ég ekki netfangið hans á síðunum. (Kannski ég hafi ekki leitað nógu lengi). En hvert er netfangið hans?

Kveðja Io 18:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Ég var búinn að spyrja þig að þessu áður og hafði komizt að niðurstöðu. Gleymska vex með aldri, en er ekki fullsnemmt að vera kominn með Alzheimer um fertugt?

Kveðja Io 18:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

PS: Og nú sendi ég Eybirni skeyti með hvatningu.

Hvatning send, með góðum orðum og hlýindum. En þar sem þú þekkir Eybjörn, en ég ekki, þarf ekki eitthvað meira til að fá hann til að ljúka verkinu? Kveðja Io 18:43, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions (Norse mythology)

The re-write of the proposal is excellent. It should serve us quite well to the end of the debate. Thank you for taking the time to write it! I thought about doing so, but both of my sandbox attempts were too verbose for my liking. (common problem for me...)

I am going to post a link to the First Grammatical Treatise in the discussion area for the debate. I feel it is relevant to the subject being debated, albeit indirectly.

- P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 23:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Something like the "redirects" in the index of printed books

That's a good example of the problems that can arise. I'd look for Þórbergur Þórðarson under Þ of course but it's true that someone might have an ascii-ized version and look under 'th'. It would be nice if that person would find the man. Books typically solve this with "redirects" in the index. Maybe we could think about something like that - there might be a special flag to put in a redirect page so it would show up in the index. (from Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Diacritics)

Please go to Category:Swedish singers and click on Lill-Babs. Where do you find yourself? It actually seems to be possible to add categories to redirects, but only if they are added at the time the redirect page is created. I fail to add a category to Thorbergur Thordarson, for instance. The software just ignores my edit. Uppland 11:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Paying to access academic data (a.k.a., "greed"... in my opinion, anyway.)

from Talk:Höðr-

Britannica Student Encyclopedia online starts their article like this:

"Hod (also spelled Höd, Hoder, or Hodur), in Norse mythology, a blind god, associated with night and darkness."

This is appalling. They give four anglicized forms without giving the reader any idea of how they are derived and don't bother to give the Old Norse spelling at all. And then they start the article with the assertion that Höðr is "associated with night and darkness" which is, as far as I can tell, pure conjecture without a shred of primary sources to support it. Two sentences later Loki is called "an evil fire god", another dubious conjecture. On Baldr's death they present yet another conjecture as fact:

"According to Norse mythology, after this deed the world was never again as good, loving..."

And then we are spared the rest because you actually have to pay to access this outdated, inaccurate, inconsistent, small sorry excuse for an encyclopedia."

- Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Naomh Pádraic replies:

Use "BugMeNot". It is available as an independent resource as well as a Firefox plugin. Hit-and-miss as far as whether it works at any particular site, but it does tend to help with nonsense like paying to access an encyclopaedia. :)

-P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 00:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Takk

Takk vinur, fyrir að taka eftir endurkomu minni. Ég verð að játa, að ég man ekki eftir þér frá viðveru minni í Wikipedu, en ókunnugur maður er bara vinur, sem maður hefir ekki hitt fyrr. Ég hefi verið fjarverandi lengi. Lífið utan Wikipediu kom í veg fyrir þátttöku og ég verð væntanlega fjarverandi að mestu leyti til veturnátta.

As for the spelling of Old Norse words, please do whatever aids comprehension on the part of foreigners. Understanding is more important than the question of a hook vs. ö. I'll look at your page and also at what Jallan has done since I left. I remember him as an intelligent, moderate and informed person.

Cheerio

Io 19:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Io

Og ég biðst afsökunar. Í fyrsta lagi átti þetta að fara á umræðusíðuna þína, ekki opinbera síðu og auk þess man ég eftir þér núna. Stjórnmálafræðinemi við HÍ, ekki satt?

Skål i stuen Io 19:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Io

Baldr and Skuld

Done! You might want to vote on the requested move of Skuld at Talk:Skuld.--Wiglaf 09:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Hávamál

It should not be a controversial move :).--Wiglaf 21:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

• I just caught on to that name change. Sneaky Scandinavians, trying to convert us to your barbaric languages. ::wide grin:: Seriously, it is gratifying to see the article properly titled now. Perhaps we can get the people at the Talk:Höðr page to help finish the Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Old_Norse/Old_Icelandic/Old_English) debate. I have been reading what is there for the third time today in trying to come up with some useful suggestions, but I would love to see a dozen or so interested folk get the discussion set on fire and moving forward again. P.MacUidhir 09:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Ubeda

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Kolokol --Philip Baird Shearer 20:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Page move

Hi Haukurth, I see that the page is already moved. I made a small edit to the redirect so now it can only be moved back by admins. In this way we evade such a move by another probable sockpuppet.--Wiglaf 15:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

203.164.*

Sorry, today's a very busy day (lots of vandalbot sockpuppets). You could try posting 3RR notices to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR, that will bring it to the attention of admins. -- Curps 16:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)