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November 2014

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 01:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only warning before block

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Chabad messianism. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.
We permit a few exceptions to the prohibition on edit-warring, e.g. removing copyright infringements and fighting vandalism, but you're simply hitting the "undo" button. Regardless of the extent to which your content helps this article, your edit-warring harms it, and we will not tolerate any more of it. Nyttend (talk) 04:33, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for speaking to me. I assume you are referring to my edits with Debresser. Please have a look at the talking page. Debresser has been undoing and reverting every single edit I have made to the page, no matter how big or how small. He does not like any of my edits and changes them ll without using the talking page. He has also repeatedly called me an idiot who makes lousy edits and a fucking prick. I want consensus and am not trying to edit war, please dont get the wrong side of the stick. I am not trying to disrupt wikipedia style, I am trying to follow it by making the page better. At the top of the page there is a notice to try fix the page. But any time I try make the page better, by either adding new information, adding a new footnote, or removing a footnote that leads to no where, Debresser just undoes it without discussing and without explaining. When he does say something it's in the realm of "idiot" or "lousy" or fucking prick." Should I really be getting this warning then? Or should Debresser also be getting a warking not to undo any edit that I make and not to insult me. Effy770 (talk) 05:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another point I just noticed is that Debresser accuses me of being an adherent the messianic division of chabad. First of all this is not true and it's a false accusation. But what is important to me is that Debresser says that he himself is! I'm happy he admitted it because now I know why he feels he owns this page and just reverts any other voice. By his own admission, he is bias to the messianic division of chabad.Effy770 (talk) 06:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me. Once I have this warning, Debresser actually takes this as an insurance policy that he can continue reverting all my edits. Any time I make an edit he just hits the undo button.Effy770 (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you replying here. Last time I posted, you didn't reply. It is important to react to messages on your talkpage.

I am not "accusing" you of anything. I was supposing you are a meshichist. If you are not, then that is just as fine with me. I am a long-time Wikipedia editor, and am used to not letting my personal opinions influence my editing. Not ethat in this case, I am trying to keep this article small and to the point, rather than letting it grow out of proportion, as might have been expected of a meshichist. I do not take the warning that was delivered to you as an insurance policy for anything. All I am interested in, is making sure that this article becomes better, or at least not worse. Debresser (talk) 18:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any other message from you here... I wrote on the talking page of the article many times only to get attack and undone by you continuously. But I am happy that you are now talking to me decently, and not calling me an idiot and a fucking prick. That being said, I hope we can now work to make the page better - as the note at the top of the page calls for. I suggest we show, - briefly, as you said - what Messiah is, that it's a belief according to Judaism (some Jews think its only a Christian thing), that there is a concept of a Messiah in each generation, that people hoped the Rebbe Schneerson would be raveled as the Messiah, how that is not necessarily unique to followers of Rebbe Schneerson, how that hope built up more and more, how Rebbe Schneerson reacted (this is a bit controversial, I'm sure other meshechiten and anti mechecisten will get busy here. . . ), the criticism from people like Prof. Berger, how the Messiainasm was during the Rebbe Schneersons life, how it is today in 2014. There are true, reliable documents for all this. I want to work to make the page normal, clear and concise. Not long with unnecessary information or with long undocumented section. At the moment the page is a mumble jumble that mixes and confuses so many different issues together. It's very difficult to read through. . . As I said, if there is something I put that is not good, why don't you point it out, or try edit it instead of just hitting the undo button -- and then accusing me of that! I have constantly asked for consensus, and constantly asked for other editors to chime in. Each time, however, you just have been undoing!Effy770 (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i saw that Debresser wrote that i am going back to edit warring. i am not. maybe i made a mistake. but i didnt remember that we spoke about that information. if we did sorry. but also why is it extra? also i notices in that edit that debresser just writes "shortened" that he removed the information that says that there are rabbis who rule out a mashiach from the dead. there was no explanation for that. it might have been a mistake but if not we should keep it objective. i try to discuss everything i do on the talking page and mention each of my edit before and after there so that other editors can agree or disagree first.Effy770 (talk) 20:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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