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Monmouthpedia
Thanks for the coords! Victuallers (talk) 23:45, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Ha ha. Edit conflict with you whilst I was correcting my own error with Bede's century :) though I was going to be more pedantic and use "... by the historian Bede, in his eighth-century Ecclesiastical History ". No matter. On the use of your accurate word cognate. Would it be easier on our readers to replace this with something similar to "The -ġē is descended from the German word gau, meaning 'district'"? Thank you so much for your help in what to me is a difficult sub-topic of Ely --Senra (talk) 11:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- No, both OE *ge and Ger gau are descended from a (presumed) common Germanic source—that's what cognate means; neither is directly descended from the other. You can wikilink cognate if you think it necessary: I would probably have done so if I had thought of it. Deor (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not a problem. Cognate linked. Thank you for your help --Senra (talk) 13:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Do you have a moment to have a look over User:Senra/Ely toponymy please? I have a view about this donated text which I will share with you after you have given me your opinion (I'm trying to avoid biasing your view) --Senra (talk) 14:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Aside from some typos and other minor matters, it looks pretty good to me. There are a few problems with the positioning of references, and at least in one case this obscures the sourcing: The sentence followed by a "citation needed" tag in the last paragraph—is the conflict with other island names noted in Bailey? If so, the Bailey ref (no. 7) should be moved down to that point, as it sources everything in that paragraph except the last sentence. If not, it should be moved to the end of either the first sentence or the second sentence in the paragraph—wherever the material summarized from Bailey ends. (In general, it's best [and clearer] for references to follow the information they support rather than the names of the sources; so I'd move the first ref to follow Elge rather than wrote and the second ref [following "Skeat"] to the end of the sentence in which it occurs.)
- Do you have a moment to have a look over User:Senra/Ely toponymy please? I have a view about this donated text which I will share with you after you have given me your opinion (I'm trying to avoid biasing your view) --Senra (talk) 14:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not a problem. Cognate linked. Thank you for your help --Senra (talk) 13:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, a more modern edition might be used to cite Bede's usage (that by Colgrave and Mynors is usual in academic work), but that's a very minor point that can almost certainly be ignored if you don't have access to such an edition. Deor (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK. I agree with your observations on the location of the citation for Bailey and had raised that exact query with the off-line source. My major concern, which you have not directly raised, is that all three paragraphs sounded too WP:OR to me. However, as you have not said this and as your analysis of the third paragraph agrees with my own, we will await the response from the off-line source. I could ask my library for Colgrave and Mynors for Bede but frankly, in this instance, I am inclined to leave myself with a little FUTON bias here. By the way, the OTRS registered draft text has now been merged into the Ely, Cambridgeshire article. Thank you for your help --Senra (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I was assuming that most of the possible OR was actually in the sources—that, for instance, the second and third sentences of the second paragraph accurately summarize what can be found in Reaney, Ekwall, Mills, and Watts, cited in the last sentence of the paragraph. If this isn't so, and particularly if the last paragraph (other than its first sentence) can't be adequately sourced, I can see that some material may need to be removed. Deor (talk) 10:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- I am meeting the scholarly source of the text later today. I will discuss the three paragraphs with him to convince myself that this text is or is not OR then I will get back to you. If you have any advice or links (other than WP:OR) that can help me convince the source that, unlike his academic work, Wikipedia does not allow synthesis of primary sources, it would help. Are you aware of any recognised academics who are also Wikipedians? Ideally in the field of mathematics (I am aware of Charles Matthews (talk · contribs)) --Senra (talk) 13:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- There's a well-populated Category:Wikipedian mathematicians, with subcategories for different levels of expertise. You might also look at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics to see who the most knowledgeable and active regulars there are. (That ref desk and the Computing desk are the two I never look at, since my knowledge in those areas is of the least.) Deor (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will refer my source to those areas. I had a good meeting which has clarified a few points resulting in this edit to the text. My source has agreed to provide further references to paragraph 1, so all looks good --Senra (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- There's a well-populated Category:Wikipedian mathematicians, with subcategories for different levels of expertise. You might also look at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics to see who the most knowledgeable and active regulars there are. (That ref desk and the Computing desk are the two I never look at, since my knowledge in those areas is of the least.) Deor (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- I am meeting the scholarly source of the text later today. I will discuss the three paragraphs with him to convince myself that this text is or is not OR then I will get back to you. If you have any advice or links (other than WP:OR) that can help me convince the source that, unlike his academic work, Wikipedia does not allow synthesis of primary sources, it would help. Are you aware of any recognised academics who are also Wikipedians? Ideally in the field of mathematics (I am aware of Charles Matthews (talk · contribs)) --Senra (talk) 13:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I was assuming that most of the possible OR was actually in the sources—that, for instance, the second and third sentences of the second paragraph accurately summarize what can be found in Reaney, Ekwall, Mills, and Watts, cited in the last sentence of the paragraph. If this isn't so, and particularly if the last paragraph (other than its first sentence) can't be adequately sourced, I can see that some material may need to be removed. Deor (talk) 10:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK. I agree with your observations on the location of the citation for Bailey and had raised that exact query with the off-line source. My major concern, which you have not directly raised, is that all three paragraphs sounded too WP:OR to me. However, as you have not said this and as your analysis of the third paragraph agrees with my own, we will await the response from the off-line source. I could ask my library for Colgrave and Mynors for Bede but frankly, in this instance, I am inclined to leave myself with a little FUTON bias here. By the way, the OTRS registered draft text has now been merged into the Ely, Cambridgeshire article. Thank you for your help --Senra (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, a more modern edition might be used to cite Bede's usage (that by Colgrave and Mynors is usual in academic work), but that's a very minor point that can almost certainly be ignored if you don't have access to such an edition. Deor (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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| and still more co-ords - thanks again. This means that we can now map all these around the centre of Monmouth. We need to find some Open Street Map peeps to help! Thanks for your help. Victuallers (talk) 00:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC) |
IP saying hi on CS Lewis
Was trying to revert abnd issue warning at the same time as you reverted.Murry1975 (talk) 13:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for warning the user. I do everything by hand, so it sometimes takes me a few minutes to get a warning posted after I revert a vandal. Deor (talk) 14:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
- NP, I do everything by hand too, I think, its the first time I have heard that so I am presuming no Twinkle Huggle or bot is by hand? Anyhow it may not surprise you to know its a educational place with a talkpage of warnings. Get thee hence to endless night! Murry1975 (talk) 15:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for fixing the coordinates on Alexander Macomb House (New York City). I was just about to try again. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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I have replied on my talk page Span (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw the reply. The article's layout is still a mess on my browser (IE8), but I don't care enough to pursue the matter further. I'll never understand the (apparently quite common) impulse to cram as many images as possible into articles, even they interrupt or overwhelm the text.Deor (talk) 12:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Arthur Machen
Hi Deor. Sorry if it seems that I am barging in with any old rubbish that I can find. A good article, I think, but one that looks extremely dull. Is that the intention? At least we now have those two images at the top. I must admit that I saw my suggested additions more as "place holders" for something better. But if you think that King Arthur and a work by Lovecraft "have no relevance" to Machen, why even mention them in the text? I'd suggest that an image is merely a more accessible form than a textual description. Works by others often feature in legacy sections. I guess what we really need, for an article on any literary figure, are some book covers. The blue plaque in Caerleon would probably also be a good idea. What we need most of all, of course, is an image of Machen himself. Tnanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm basically opposed to including images (in any article) that are merely decorative, especially if their relationship to the topic is tangential at best. (I haven't read absolutely everything that Machen published, but I'm unable to recall anything substantial about King Arthur in his works, for instance.) And, in general, I think book cover images belong in articles about the books rather than their authors. I see nothing wrong with articles that consist mostly or entirely of text.
- I have tried to find photographs of Machen that are demonstrably in the public domain but have so far been unable to. I think one of the Hoppé photographs (such as the one here) might pass muster under #10 of WP:NFCI, but it would have to be uploaded here rather than on Commons. Deor (talk) 08:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your very prompt response. I agree there is nothing "wrong" with articles that consist mostly or entirely of text. They just look dull. I think there has to be a balance between good intelligent coverage and something that looks like the children's i-spy-book of horror writers. I was just trying to keep the interest of the "average reader", whoever that is. Would you see an image of the blue plaque as mere decoration? Or what about images of other places where he lived? I am guessing that the era of Machen may make free images of him easier to find. But his lack of global popularity may mitigate against this I suppose. That image you have found looks promising. I was suspicious that you were a wiki-Puritan or an image-Nazi. I hope, of course, that you are neiher! Thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be useful if someone could find or donate free images of his residences in St John's Wood and Amersham (which I'm not sure still exist), the blue plaque, etc. I haven't seen any on the Web in my searches, though. Deor (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think the South Wales Argus article have also used one of the Hoppé photographs. But I can't see any image copyright credit for that one in the article. As for use of book dust-jacket images in the articles for his books, there's quite a bit of variation. Most don't have one. But one has two! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, E.O. Hoppé was very long lived, not dying until 1972 (the bastard); so my reading of the copyright laws is that his works aren't in the public domain in the United States unless they were published there before 1923. There are British publications of some before that date (one is the frontispiece to the Secker edition of Machen's Hieroglyphics [1910], which is on my shelves), but I haven't found a sufficiently early U.S. publication. Deor (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, 94 is quite an age. I have been trying to discover in the article which was the first of his works to be published in America. (And how many were). Is it there somewhere? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- I certainly don't see anything. It looks as though Hoppé didn't really begin to publish extensive collections of his work, even in England, until the 1920s, so I wouldn't expect to see any early American publications. Moreover, Machen's works themselves weren't, for the most part, published in the U.S. until the '20s, when Knopf brought out most of his previous works; and none of the Knopf editions included any photos of Machen (nor did Dana Estes' 1906 American edition of The House of Souls). Deor (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I must say how much better the article is looking now. You have done a great job. Do you think that Whitby plaque image would be useful? I know you don't want to overload with images, but the Whitby connection sounds quite interesting. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm ambivalent; it's a nice picture, but I'm not sure that two blue plaques are necessary. I'll leave it up to you, I guess. Deor (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- What the article really needs is a referencing overhaul to get rid of that damned OR tag at the top. I have Reynolds and Charlton's and Sweetser's biographical works on my shelves; and some day when I have time, I need to go through the article adding references and making the citation style uniform. Deor (talk) 21:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'll probably add it anyway - it might be useful for Whitby. I imagine that any of those three works on your shelves would be seen as better than the material I have just added from caerleon.net. But there is a lot to be said for easily accessible (web) sources. But I agree that the tag at the top seems a little over-zealous. By the way, the book images look wholly appropriate and, in my view, add a lot. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- What the article really needs is a referencing overhaul to get rid of that damned OR tag at the top. I have Reynolds and Charlton's and Sweetser's biographical works on my shelves; and some day when I have time, I need to go through the article adding references and making the citation style uniform. Deor (talk) 21:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm ambivalent; it's a nice picture, but I'm not sure that two blue plaques are necessary. I'll leave it up to you, I guess. Deor (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I must say how much better the article is looking now. You have done a great job. Do you think that Whitby plaque image would be useful? I know you don't want to overload with images, but the Whitby connection sounds quite interesting. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- I certainly don't see anything. It looks as though Hoppé didn't really begin to publish extensive collections of his work, even in England, until the 1920s, so I wouldn't expect to see any early American publications. Moreover, Machen's works themselves weren't, for the most part, published in the U.S. until the '20s, when Knopf brought out most of his previous works; and none of the Knopf editions included any photos of Machen (nor did Dana Estes' 1906 American edition of The House of Souls). Deor (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, 94 is quite an age. I have been trying to discover in the article which was the first of his works to be published in America. (And how many were). Is it there somewhere? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, E.O. Hoppé was very long lived, not dying until 1972 (the bastard); so my reading of the copyright laws is that his works aren't in the public domain in the United States unless they were published there before 1923. There are British publications of some before that date (one is the frontispiece to the Secker edition of Machen's Hieroglyphics [1910], which is on my shelves), but I haven't found a sufficiently early U.S. publication. Deor (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think the South Wales Argus article have also used one of the Hoppé photographs. But I can't see any image copyright credit for that one in the article. As for use of book dust-jacket images in the articles for his books, there's quite a bit of variation. Most don't have one. But one has two! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be useful if someone could find or donate free images of his residences in St John's Wood and Amersham (which I'm not sure still exist), the blue plaque, etc. I haven't seen any on the Web in my searches, though. Deor (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your very prompt response. I agree there is nothing "wrong" with articles that consist mostly or entirely of text. They just look dull. I think there has to be a balance between good intelligent coverage and something that looks like the children's i-spy-book of horror writers. I was just trying to keep the interest of the "average reader", whoever that is. Would you see an image of the blue plaque as mere decoration? Or what about images of other places where he lived? I am guessing that the era of Machen may make free images of him easier to find. But his lack of global popularity may mitigate against this I suppose. That image you have found looks promising. I was suspicious that you were a wiki-Puritan or an image-Nazi. I hope, of course, that you are neiher! Thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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Solitaire
Hi, I am working on the Solitaire article for and English assignment and I was wondering if you could take a look at my sandbox (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kenz21/sandbox&action=edit&preload=Template%3AUser_sandbox%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AUser_sandbox) and give me some feedback. It would be much appreciated. Thanks! Kenz21 (talk) 18:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
A question for Deor
Do you believe in God? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.240.194 (talk) 07:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
- This hardly seems the place to discuss the matter, as it has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 13:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
WikiThanks
In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 67.80.64.128 (talk) 23:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Coords
Thanks. So does a proper minus sign work? That's what I almost always put in, but I got lazy just once. Tony (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, to tell the truth. I know that hyphens are specified for negative coordinates in the instructions for geotagging articles, and as far as I know they're so used everywhere in article space. They don't display as such in actual articles—what is shown is "S" for south latitudes and "W" for west longitudes—so it seems best to leave them alone. Deor (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oh my heavens: they don't display as hyphens? Sorry and thanks. You've just saved me a lot of bother. Tony (talk) 01:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks and help for Monmouthpedia
Thanks for pointing out that the gasworks arent listed. My fault. However I see you know shomething about co-ords and I' hoping you might know someone who can help. MonmouthpediA is a flagship project for the UK. The people contributing having written a lot of articles about buildings. The local council will have QRpedia codes on the streetsigns that make people to "trails" around the town. The best one we have at present is Monmouth Heritage Trail. Its OK but sadly you can buo;d it better using Googlemap tools. Thats NOT our first choice as you lose the link to Wikimedia. The major problem with the Heritage Trail article is that is displys unrelably/badly when used from a phone. Do you know someone who might help? Or where I can raise this problem to get the best possible assistance? Victuallers (talk) 10:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- A number of the people over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates know much more than I about the technical aspects of mapping coordinates and the various resources for displaying maps on computers and other devices. I recommend that you ask for assistance there. Deor (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
- Thanks a lot, I'll do that. Victuallers (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Wow. The edit war with the intent to remove every reference to Jessica salmonson's sex change continues, so much so that there seems to be a campaign to edit out even as much as a link to a site that mentions her change (although print citations mentioning it seem to be acceptable.).
Well played, sirrah, her secret-- not very secret, of course, except on Wikipedia-- remains safe! 82.30.158.245 (talk) 08:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- I would have no particular objection to a well-sourced and neutral (see WP:BLP) mention of it in a biographically developed article, but in an article with no biographical information at all other than a DOB, including it would probably give undue weight to this one fact. However, all I did in this case was delete an external link that clearly failed to meet the requirements of our external-link guidelines. Deor (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
WikiMiniAtlas
Hi Deor, could you please check again if it works for you now? Thanks! --Dschwen 23:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it's working now. Thanks for looking into the matter; everything to do with the guts of computers is far beyond me. Deor (talk) 00:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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Ben Eoin Provincial Park
I decided for now I prefer the coordinates provided by the Provincial Government to the ones you provided in a recent edit as the NS Gov ones are down near the road access and your's are deep in the woods beyond the trail behind the look-off. You must have had a good reason for posting those coordinates but I'm not sure of the source. Were they the centre of the 225 acre block of land that makes up the park? Or something like that? I've been wrong before so please let me know what you had in mind. Oh, and I see you fixed the region code, thank you. I had copied the layout for that page from another similar park page and I had just copied what they had. What is the "region code" for anyway? Ken Heaton (talk) 23:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I usually aim for the center of geographical features when supplying coordinates. In this case, I used the map on the page you linked to in footnote 2. One purpose of the region code is to allow GeoHack to select the map resources to display for a particular page; note the "Canada" links on the right-hand side of the page you see after clicking on the coordinates in the article, and compare the "Great Britain" links you get when clicking on the coordinates in this article. (I was led to the Ben Eoin article in the first place because it showed up under "Incomplete parameter" in this automated coordinate check. If you look at the preceding version of the article, you'll note that the presence of something other than a valid region code in that infobox field prevented the coordinates from being linked to GeoHack at all.) Deor (talk) 01:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
PABT
You help in fixing coords has been tremondous, so you've become the "go to" guy, Thanks. I wonder if you could, time permitting, have a look at Port Authority Bus Terminal, as I think the page would benefit greatly from a locator map. Can't seen to get it right. Again, thanks! Djflem (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm far from expert at the workings of templates; but after a bit of searching, I think I was able to find out how to do it. Did my edit to the article produce what you want? Deor (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
It Takes a Little Rain (To Make Love Grow)
Regarding the capitalization, you might want to weigh in here, since we have two different policies giving contradicting information on whether or not "to" should be capitalized. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Re:Reference desk date headers
I must admit I wasn't entirely sure what to do, but had the same sort of idea as you did re the archiving process. The header's still there as I write this, but there's a few days for something to happen, I guess. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Pingo
Cool. I must admit that it had slipped my mind. I'm glad you remembered it. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)