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The Signpost: 01 August 2011

WP:FILM July 2011 Newsletter

The July 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. We are also seeking new members to assist in writing the newsletter, if interested please leave a note on the Outreach department's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Korean upcoming blockbusters

I don't understand... What do you want me to do? by BOVINEBOY2008 02:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

because i need korean upcoming movies because of links by --Sunuraju (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand, but don't expect others to fix your English. You really need to be working on your English to contribute to this encyclopedia. BOVINEBOY2008 11:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

i admit i had grammar problems as I am autistic. i need help from my mother and write it by --Sunuraju (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Disney feature films

Hello, Bovineboy2008! I have obesrved that you are a recent editor on List of Disney theatrical feature films. Therefore, I thought it would interest you to lend your time and assistence on this article. Apparantly some editor (not an official one, can only be identified by an IP address) has altered the article in a drastic way. Originally, the article included the year, name, and studio credit for each film. The studio credits have been removed, and it would be difficult for myself alone to research and add them again. I would gladly appreciate your help in resolving this matter. Thank you, ~ Jedi94 (talk) 22:15, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I just viewed the article mentioned above - thank you for your help! ~ Jedi94 (talk) 16:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem! BOVINEBOY2008 21:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Darren Criss

Hi, could you please let me know why you reverted my edits? You did not leave an explanation. Thanks, Mimi C.

Sorry, I meant to explain but I hit enter too quickly. You can't use IMDb as a source. You need to find a different source (and that content probably doesn't need its own section). BOVINEBOY2008 02:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. I will find a different source! However, I believe that the Movie section is important since it is another aspect of his career, including television, theater, music, and Internet. Thank you. Regards, Mimi C.

Orphaned non-free image File:The Drummond Will film.jpg

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Thanks for uploading File:The Drummond Will film.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Courcelles 03:24, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film)

Please note that there is already an on-going discussion to gain consensus about what to do with the page. I have re-added the RfD tag to the page as the discussion has not yet concluded. Please leave your comments at the discussion page, thanks. --Taelus (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't even realize there was the discussion since there wasn't a notice. I've weighed in with my opinion and of course will edit with agree to the resulting consensus. BOVINEBOY2008 16:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
No worries, the discussion tag keeps getting added and removed by various editors, thus causing confusion. I've requested full protection to avoid this. Regards, --Taelus (talk) 16:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Animal Paradise for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Animal Paradise is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animal Paradise until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Animal Paradise Wild for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Animal Paradise Wild is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animal Paradise Wild until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 August 2011

recent film overhauls

I have noticed the massive changes you are making to Indian cinema articles today. May I ask what is the purpose for moving around and deleting references, removing ref names, removing unused parameters like date= that hey may have gotten filled in later? Why replace tables with track listings on the soundtracks? Now it is spaced badly in some cases, see Dhoom 2. Is there a way to adjust the spacing? Lastly, how do you do all this work; using some tool(s)? BollyJeff || talk 00:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm doing this all by hand. And these aren't massive changes. I am not changing much of any content. All references do not need names and it is not needed to have empty parameters just sitting there if they are not being used. Also, leads should not have sources as they should be summaries of the article. The Track listing template is used to standardize track listings across Wikipedia. And I'm not seeing spacing problems in my browser on Dhoom 2, could you specify the issue? BOVINEBOY2008 00:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I see a big space in between title and singers, while the singers names are squashed on up to 3 lines. Why remove production credits? You are moving around sources used in multiple places from one location to another needlessly. So many changes make hard to even check them all with a diff, and can lead to mistakes. I corrected one earlier today, but its remarkable that you aren't making more. BollyJeff || talk 00:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Bad dabs: Robbery

Hi, please be careful with dabbing - this has caused a redlink - it should have been to Robbery (1967 film). There are other similar instances. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I just saw that and I'm fixing it. I had a slight typo in my AWB. Thanks of the catch. BOVINEBOY2008 13:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Star is Born

Does incubate, mean moving to my user space or something else? I agree it fails WP:NFF.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

However, I think it passes WP:FFCLARIFY and should stay in main space.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:48, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
It could either move there or to something like this as described by WP:Article Incubator. And I don't quite agree with you on your interpretation of WP:FFCLARIFY. There are only 6 sources used so far in the article and many of them are very similar in content. This is not coverage that is "enduring and persistent in multiple reliable sources and over an extended period" nor content that could easily be merged to Knolews' or Eastwood's articles. It would be best served to wait until the filming has actually commenced as is the precedent for future films and merge relevant content into other articles. The incubation would allow the content to exist outside of the main space until it meets the guidelines for inclusion. BOVINEBOY2008 19:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
What is the current standard for "enduring and persistent in multiple reliable sources and over an extended period". Are there examples? What kind of recent AFDs have revolved around this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I see there is a lot of press about two stories. Not persistent, I guess. I have never tried the incubator, so you can move it there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The only example I can recall of an article about a film project before it was in the filming stage is Man of Steel (film). And here are some more recent AfD addressing this matter: (sorry for the link dump) [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. BOVINEBOY2008 01:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
And I'll get on that incubation. You'll be able to continue to edit it and it can come out when it enters filming. BOVINEBOY2008 01:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Swapnangalil Haisal Mary

Hello,
You moved the Swapnangalil Haizel Mary to Swapnangalil Haisal Mary. I understand that you made the move based on the name used in Nowrunning article. But please have a look at the name in the posters present in the aricle. The spelling there is Haizel and not Haisal. So, I don't think the move made is correct. Second point, which is more important, is the film is not yet released. The film was planned for a 2008 release but was not released due to financial problems. Still some post-production work is pending and no distributor is available so far. That is why there are no review tabs in the Nowrunning article. For released films, there are usually a Critics review and a Viewers review in that site. So, I request you to please update the article based on these points. Since the film is not released it is difficult to know the exact registered title of the film.
Anish Viswa 02:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll concede to you that it looks like the film is still not yet released. Thus I categorized it in Category:Upcoming film. As far as the title, can you point to a definitive source that has that spelling? When I was searching for sources, I only found the "Haisal" spelling. The image in the article looks like a fan-made/unofficial image. If you could find me some articles with the "Haizel" spelling, I would definitely consider moving it back. BOVINEBOY2008 02:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Posters/images

Hmm I was wondering, don't you think it's useless to add needs-image=yes to upcoming films that have not yet had a poster released? I can see it being useful for films that have already been released (older films) with no poster added. I think the parameter is added and once a poster is included, people forget or don't even know to remove it from the template. —Mike Allen 00:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I mean, that is an issue with any maintenance tag on the talk page. I'm working on Category:American cinema articles needing an image occasionally (mostly because I generally know where to find American posters). I think they are helpful for some editors, including me, but not really a harm for others. One of the benefits of tagging upcoming films with a need for an image will allow the potential for them to be addressed in the future. BOVINEBOY2008 00:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah but there's at least one editor that always upload new posters like daily. I just felt tagging articles that will likely get an image anyway... was a waste of a time. That's all. —Mike Allen 01:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed occasional editors that upload a lot of images and just ask them to consider the banner and let them know that tag exists. They often don't realize or consider that. The more editors that know of the feature, the more the feature will be used. BOVINEBOY2008 01:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Creators Documentary

The article needs work, certainly, but I'm gonna disagree with you on this one. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The Three Musketeers (2011 film) revert

Thanks for that revert - I was sure I was looking at the current version of the article when I made my current pair of edits... Tabercil (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It happens to everyone :) BOVINEBOY2008 02:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 August 2011

A barnstar for you!

User:Bovineboy2008/Awards - Niri M / ನಿರಿ 15:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! BOVINEBOY2008 17:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Rockstar release date

Hello Bovineboy2008,

Coming from you I am a little amused, when I clearly mentioned that it is not announced yet, then how can I get that article a citation? What should I cite it for? For every event that doesn't even exist? Anyway for a little help here is the list of upcoming movies from Eros and their respective release dates - http://www.erosintl.com/upcoming-releases.aspx. Please do not revert my edits, I hope I leave a mark of a responsible editor. Thanks. Fanofbollywood (talk) 06:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

2012 albums

Hi BB. I think you've done some editing on albums, and certainly on future films, so you might be interested in this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 07:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look. BOVINEBOY2008 14:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Aid

There is a new editor, User:Vandelack who has left me this note [6] to continue reverting my edits to Deaths in July 2011. This constitutes WP:HOUNDING. I have explained to him why i delete the redlinks, but he refuses to listen. Can you offer some insight? Rusted AutoParts (talk) 21:44 19 August 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dancing Ninja

Might you agree per my analysis that a redirect to and correction of the Beverly Hills Ninja sequel section makes some sense? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Move of Cinta Pertama (1973 film)

Hi Bovineboy, I have undone your move of Cinta Pertama (1973 film) to Cinta Pertama as there is also a 2006 film with the same title. I will make Cinta Pertama a disambiguation page. Thank you. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Didn't catch one. Thanks for the corrections! BOVINEBOY2008 01:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Don't feel too bad, the article didn't exist at the time so you couldn't have caught it without knowing about it beforehand. Thanks for the vigilance! Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

User:Bovineboy2008/Awards Commander (Ping Me) 03:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC) 15:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Woot! Thanks Commander! I hung it up here. BOVINEBOY2008 03:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 August 2011

Take Off

Barnstar

Thanks BB! I've moved it to my userpage. Another Academy Award list that I thought I'd tackle. Amazing that some of the films from the 30s and 40s don't have articles either. Thanks again. Lugnuts (talk) 06:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Elektra (2011 film)

Why Elektra (2011 film) is moved as Elektra (2010 film). The wiki naming convention says - For the other films (or all the films, if none of them are the primary topic), add the year of its first public release (excluding film festival screenings). Where a film does not screen outside of film festivals, use the year of its first festival screening..
Elektra is planned for its public release in coming September/October and the premiere in 2010 was not a Public premiere but only a Film festival screening.
Anish Viswa 09:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a difference between a screening and a showing. A screening is when the film is played for a private audience, often so the producers can adjust the film or for critics to give pre-release reviews. A showing is when the film premieres for a public audience, which can occur at a festival. BOVINEBOY2008 12:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I am not convinced. Wiki says 'public release'. What is the definition of public release ? If it is the commercial release where any of the public can buy tickets to watch the film, then the film is not commercially released. The film was only screened (or shown as you termed it) twice during IFFI 2010 where some seats were open for the general public also, along with the delegates, but no cmmercial sale of tickets happened. And, as per the director and producer, the film is not released yet, which can be related to the 'public release' used in Wiki definition.
Anish Viswa 14:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, what kind of audience was there at the festival beyond the jury? Was a special invitation-only type "screening" or a true showing where attendees of the festival could see the film? Honestly, in my opinion, if the film was possible to be seen by a public audience, then it is a public release, and I do realize that not everyone has that view. BOVINEBOY2008 14:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Apart from the Jury, some delegates and volunteers helping the festival were allowed to watch 2 screenings. This number will be hardly 200-250, in a state where the public release is to a population of 25 million :-). We cannot term it a public release since the general public was not given a fair chance to buy tickets and watch the film.Such a release, which we can rightly call a 'Public release' as per Wiki definition, will happen this September/October.
Anish Viswa 01:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
That sounds logical. Thanks for the explanation. I'll rectify my edits. BOVINEBOY2008 12:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three Days (2011 film)

As the film is only now making the rounds, I am hoping you might agree with a redirect to the sourced section I created on his film at the director's article: Alex Hyde-White#Projects. If or when it gets coverage, the redirect can be undone and the film article expanded and sourced accordingly. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 August 2011

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