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ITN for ASEAN–China Free Trade Area

On 1 January 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article ASEAN–China Free Trade Area, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJMitchell You rang? 21:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

List of Asian American Medal of Honor recipients

Thank you for taking the time to comment on the above list. I have completed all of the items you requested so when you find the time could you take a look and make sure I captured all of your concerns. Also, if you are interested and have the time I have a couple of other articles that could also use comments.

Smedley Butler, pending A class review
Jose Calugas, pending good article review
Francis B. Wai, pending good article review --Kumioko (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I have made an additional comment on the featured list candidate. As for the other articles, I will try looking at them after vacation. Arsonal (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Wings

I feel I should warn that your edit was useless; Collectonian already removed the link for that reference. See https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Royal_Space_Force%3A_The_Wings_of_Honn%C3%AAamise&action=historysubmit&diff=333442926&oldid=332989726 --Gwern (contribs) 16:33 14 January 2010 (GMT)

Not entirely. Just keep digging until you find something that can be kept. :) Never give up! Arsonal (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but what's the point of that? If linked URLs can be removed as copyvios, and unlinked URLs can be removed as copyvios, there's no reason to think URLs inside a comment are any more acceptable. And besides the comment, you added some easily found citation information. If someone wanted to know more, all they would have to do is google the quote and they'd find the whole thing. --Gwern (contribs) 17:49 14 January 2010 (GMT)

Yes, but that requires the effort of the readers. Policy restricts the contributors from providing readers direct access of such copyrighted material from Wikipedia itself. The citation is valid, as is the information; the means of citation to copies of the article was not. An external link to the primary source (which was what I added) does not violate this. The quote is a means to verify that contributors have not misinterpreted the original text, not as a way to bypass copyright issues. Arsonal (talk) 17:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

But there's nothing there at the 2 URLs! There's nothing there in the Internet Archive either because of robots.txt. What earthly good does linking to such URLs do?

And IMO, I wouldn't regard fair use as 'a way to bypass copyright issues'. --Gwern (contribs) 18:08 14 January 2010 (GMT)

It may be of some use later, who knows. I only added the URLs in a comment, so they're not visible to readers. Arsonal (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

UY

Presumably you are creating the chapter article yourself? If so, nice one! Which version are you going to be working from? Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm working from the original tankobon editions as my library has them. Arsonal (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

BLP at notieboard

Real nobrainers some of the one line bios - I hope someone comes in and deletes as many as they like - to recover some of them seems pointless - what do you think? Satu Suro 02:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

~~Which one-liners are you talking about?~~ Arsonal (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Never mind the above. I think if an article on the person exists on the Indonesian Wikipedia, it is very much salvageable. However, people like Ishak Effendi are very minor in the national political scene in terms of their lasting impact. We'll do a pass at them first and see about sending some for deletion the second time around. Arsonal (talk) 03:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

My apologies - the bunch at - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia&action=edit&section=2 - some of them are too hard basket in my opinion - but you might have better access to stub saving refs I dont know Satu Suro 00:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Chinese Indonesians

Arsonal, thanks for letting me know about your current effort in re-writing this article. I agree that it's due time for a serious effort. How would you like me to help? Do you want me to get involved in editing the current sandbox under your account, or do you prefer suggestions and review at this point? Thanks. Julius.kusuma (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Arsonal, sounds good. I asked exactly so that things don't get too messy too early. I look forward to your first complete draft! Julius.kusuma (talk) 14:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request for comments. I will review your excellent draft by Monday April 19 and share my comments. At first glance, it is much improved compared to the original: good work! Julius.kusuma (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Arsonal, here is my first round of comments.

Your first draft really is excellent, very nice work! In particular, I like your organization of the material.
Do you have plans on where/how to introduce the various waves of immigration to Indonesia? Will it be under "Ancestral origins" or under "History"? I think it should be under "History", to give it a better chronological view. I can help with this part if you like.
Will you expand the history part to include more modern history? Maybe something along the lines of the following, with mentions of the different waves of immigration in the appropriate sub-sections:
- Early interactions
- Colonial period (only Dutch or also Japanese colonial period?)
- Nation-building
- Early independent era
- New Order era (we can introduce the G30S/PKI history here as related to this article, and also important bits such as PP/10, etc.)
- May 1998 riots (or, this can be the ending to the previous sub-section)
- Reformasi era (then we can introduce the rescinding of a lot of anti-Chinese identity rules)
In the "Society" section, I'm not sure yet what you have in mind regarding the structure of this part, so I leave it to you to add more detail before I comment.
Let me know if you want me or other contributors to actively work on certain sections, otherwise I leave it to you to take the leading role in your draft.

Julius.kusuma (talk) 15:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

page moves

Please stop moving pages without discussing and getting agreement. Page moves can be controversial and it can take time to have the original reinstated. --Merbabu (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I have responded with my reasons in the article in question. Arsonal (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Which article? I see two that you’ve moved in the last few days.

The first thing you need to do is to respect due process and use the talk page to explain and get consensus before the move. --Merbabu (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I will apologize if I have violated any policy, but I stand by my actions as they are within the process of consensus-building. Arsonal (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

for your help BLP at the project page list - it is really appreciated Satu Suro 03:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

what you have done is fine - dont sweat over it - I can pick some soon - but hey some of them are not worth the effort anyways - thanks Satu Suro 09:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Wong Fu Productions

Hey Arsonal. I wanted to let you know I've conducted a GAN review for Wong Fu Productions, and identified a number of concerns at the the review page. I've placed in on hold in the meantime until the issues can be addressed. Best of luck! — Hun ter Ka hn 02:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm ready to pass it after your fixes to the references, but there is one objection that hasn't been addressed: "# "Since the end of its first tour, Wong Fu has created music videos for rising artists and continued producing short films." Here, too, can you point out where the source says this?" — Hun ter Ka hn 05:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've passed the GAN. — Hun ter Ka hn 05:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Twin Spica episodes

I said that 木鈴 may be read as "Mokurin" in my talk page, but the word may be read as "Kisuzu." Because I didn't know the exact reading of the word, I researched more websites. The word is read as "Kisuzu" on the website (in Japanese). On the Japanese wikipedia article Kusuriya Tantei Yōkidan (as of February 4, 2010), the reading "Kisuzu" was used as the family name.--ACSE (talk) 06:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. Would you say that it's more likely to be Kisuzu then? As a side note, I noticed the odd name construction when the Anime News Network encyclopedia listed the episode director's name as "Yoshinari Suzuki". I then noticed that the last name is different from the Suzuki that is used in the name of one of the Twin Spica characters. Arsonal (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Having read the ANN article, I thought that 木鈴芳 may be a typo of 鈴木芳成 (Suzuki Yoshinari).--ACSE (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It's true that there are other anime with 鈴木芳成 in the credits, but I just checked the actual anime episodes. They list the director as 木鈴芳. It might be a case of ANN people thinking they are the same people. Arsonal (talk) 20:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Indonesian National Revolution

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

GAR notification

Letting you know I've opened a good article reassessment for Westfield High School (Fairfax County, Virginia), an article to which you are the main contributor. You can read my comments at Talk:Westfield High School (Fairfax County, Virginia)/GA1. Cheers, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Image licensing

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WestfieldHSconstruction1.jpg

Did the archived page state that the images were freely licensed? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of World Peace One

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DYK for Obama Anak Menteng

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DYK for Kassian Cephas

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Becoming a heap of red list rubbish

Sad but true it looks like all the things that Indonesian lists should not look like imho - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_Indonesians - cheers Satu Suro 13:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

True, but it's not really a priority for me much considering the low page viewership anyway. Arsonal (talk) 18:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Megaria

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Vila Isola, Bandung

Hi Arsonal, I responded to your comments on this VPC, and I would appreciate your final feedback. --Elekhh (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

For the project talk page fix - one wonders Satu Suro 08:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what prompted Mikhailov Kusserow to change the format of archiving to yearly based of various projects... I liked the automatic archival and search function, but I guess I'll keep the change for now. Arsonal (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Solar Impulse project

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DYK nomination of National Library of Indonesia

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ITN for Solar eclipse of July 11, 2010

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DYK for National Library of Indonesia

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Zaion GAN

I have reviewed Zaion, and on behalf of WP:WGA, I apologize for the lengthy delay in review. I've put it on hold pending fixups, but other than a couple easily addressed omissions and one nuisance edit that needs done for the sake of imagebot-appeasement, it looks solid. Good work. --erachima talk 07:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Suggested image looks good. I'll look at the list in detail this evening. --erachima talk 20:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Good work, article promoted. If you would be so kind as to review another article listed at WP:GAN, we would deeply appreciate it. --erachima talk 07:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for National Archives of Indonesia

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Re:Historical Atlas of Indonesia

Sorry I missed your question few months ago. Can't remember anymore why. And yes I have it in my possession. Meursault2004 (talk) 11:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I am not a very good artist, but I used to draw some maps whenever I liked to or when it was needed. For example, I am not able yet to draw vector based svg graphic files. But if or when needed, I am happy to draw one. This Historical Atlas is not my only source. See this for example.

So you are an Indonesian too I see. Where are you from? Cheers. Meursault2004 (talk) 05:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Hahah trying to ascertain dari mana? lebih baik tempat lagi - disini sama dengan facebook - tmi! (too much personal info too easy to find) Satu Suro 10:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

George Kahin

Thanks for doing the article; miss him still, and not a day goes by without some small observation of his comes booming back to me. Had forgotten that Ben Anderson was his doctoral student.--Cmagha (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

It was my pleasure. I have a deep appreciation for his works related to Indonesia. Unfortunately, I never had the chance to meet him. Were you well acquainted with him? Arsonal (talk) 02:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Airblue 202

I've re-added the METAR, It is not gibberish (a translation was provided) and it is relevant to the accident. If you have any issue with this can we please discuss on the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Replied at the talk page. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

HMS Investigator

I don't suppose I could bother you to spend five minutes tidying that and adding a little information? I want to go to bed soon, but I don't want to got to bed with the timer at 18 hours! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. I will let you know when it's ready. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 03:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

ITN for HMS Investigator (1848)

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Lists of Royal Navy ship names

Re your addition of a template to the list, in every case, the template is clashing with the names in the list. If you can't fix this, please revert to the original version - would putting the template in a 1x1 table work? Mjroots (talk) 05:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

By clashing do you mean the names are overlapping with the template? The usage in those pages is the same as in pages like List of aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy and List of submarine classes of the Royal Navy. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I mean. Any ideas on a fix? Mjroots (talk) 08:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice the problem because my monitor was wide enough that it didn't cause a problem. I seem to have found a solution using {{Div col}}. It has the same functionality as {{Reflist}} for setting flexible columns according to the width of your window. I've implemented it at List of ship names of the Royal Navy (A). Perhaps you can take a look and let me know what you think. If that works for you, I'll go ahead and use it for the other ship names lists as well. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I've had a look, and I'll have to say "no" to that. Putting the ships into a single column creates acres of white space, which is why they were in 3 cols to start with. If you really can't find a solution, give WT:SHIPS a yell. Plenty of experts there. Mjroots (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Welcome to the Space Show

Hi,

just to caution you to archive references linking to any Japanese newspapers. I archived the Yomiuri Shimbun review and put the archive link as hidden comment so you will just have to remove the comment tag to put the archived link online when you will need it. --KrebMarkt (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, will try to remember that in the future. I went ahead and took the archive link out of the comments anyway. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Obama Anak Menteng

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Rose Colored Glasses

I'm working on something with that. The incoming links for Rose Colored Glasses should point to Rose Colored Glasses (Kelly Rowland song). Someone moved that page to Rose Colored Glasses (song) and I'm about to reverse that redirect since there's another artist who has a song by that name. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I'll let you take care of it then. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like all the incoming links to Rose Colored Glasses got taken care of. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I moved them to Rose Colored Glasses (song), and I think you immediately caught and switched them to Rose Colored Glasses (Kelly Rowland song). —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

re: Introducing ITN candidates

You mean in the table or in the nominees below? In the former my only nominees are when there actually is a page (which some others dont do, and are guaranteed not to get to ITN, id think)Lihaas (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

They were linked in the table box though, i only nom. when its there. But anyhoo, point taken (at least a reference to the above?)Lihaas (talk) 10:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obama Anak Menteng

To address concerns spoken of at the above AFD, I have built upon your work and created Obama Anak Menteng (film), to take better advantage of the innumerable sources speaking about the film, its background, its production, and its screening. I'd like you to look in at the new article and offer me your opinion, as much of the trail you blazed when authoring Obama Anak Menteng became part of the new article, as I expanded and further sourced it with a different emphasis... and I think it will not itself ever see the inside of an AFD discussion. Best regards, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the initiative on this, Michael. I have been busy handling other tasks here that I didn't have the chance to look at the AfD. I will look through your creation and make a comment on the AfD thread later. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking in. As stated above... your original contributions were a terrific guide. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Accidental Asian

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ITN

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Ed (talk • majestic titan) 09:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

ITN for 2010 Summer Youth Olympics

On 14 August 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Summer Youth Olympics, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

-- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Events' naming convention in Fencing

Hello. Thank you for creating a template for fencing results. I've noticed that Cadet Male/Female pages were moved to boys'/girls'. This is in fact incorrect since the official name of the events are Cadet Male/Female that are given as per sport guidlines. In fencing there are qite are few age groups within "boys/girls" category. The ranges are "under 11" - Benjamin - 11, "under 13" - Benjamin 13, under 15" - Benjamin - 15, "under 17" - Cadet, "under 20" = Junior. Therefore boys/girls makes no sense for fencing community. Can you kindly update the template for the sport that you introduced and revert the move to show correct event name?No troll (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation because, as you can see, I do not understand fencing terminology at all! However, I stand by my edits in the interest of WP:Jargon. I believe the specific age categories themselves can be better explained within the article, i.e. indicate specifically that these are cadet male and female groups. As I understand it, the Youth Olympics have an age limit of 14–18, so I don't see conflict issues with disambiguating from other younger age groups of Olympic fencing. If you feel that you need further consensus, feel free to consult the folks at WikiProject Olympics. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 22:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

As can be seen by my alias, I have no intention for trolling the issue and therefore will not take further steps to revert the titles. However a common sense tells me that we do not call 18 years old 'boys' and in Olympics each sport had its very strict age limitation. As shown, for instance in main fencing article some World Championships medalists were excluded from selection because they were too young. Also since this sport involves expert weapon handling, calling a champion 'a boy/girl with the sword' is practically an insult ... No troll (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't take your comments as trolling, and I definitely understand where you are coming from. I was not the first person to use "boys" and "girls" as opposed to "men" and "women", as I did not create the majority of the event articles. I merely followed what seemed like the naming convention that was used by the initial editors and applied them to the templates. I am not particularly attached to either one. I think this is a case where there is merit in bringing up the topic at WikiProject Olympics or there will be going back-and-forth again in two years for the Winter Youth Olympics. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I won't be active participant in discussions on the project, therefore I leave it up to your discretion. Currently the template literally reads: "Foil girls", "Saber boys" etc. By sport participants it can be taken either as a joke or as an insult. Due to the sport history the naming is as important as an Army rank. It is a big deal to move up to higher age category, which is recognized as a certain maturity level both mentally and physically and is respected in this sport. No troll (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I have introduced the discussion Gender terminology in YOG event articles. Feel free to chime in as you see fit. Thanks for being patient. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 00:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Vote comment

As you commented in the pending closure discussion I am notifying you that the Wikipedia:Pending changes/Vote comment is now open and will be for two weeks, discussion as required can continue on the talkpage. Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls'

Hello! Your submission of Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls' at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dincher (talk) 01:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant

On 22 August 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

-- Modest Genius ^talk 01:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kassian Cephas

The article Kassian Cephas you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Kassian Cephas for things which need to be addressed. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Two days remaining, and no response. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 04:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Seven days have run out; please correct problems whenever possible and re-nominate. Feel free to contact me when you do, and I'll gladly look over it again. Regards. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 00:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Indonesia at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics

On 26 August 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Indonesia at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls'

On 27 August 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Boys'

On 27 August 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Triathlon at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Boys', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

The Anime and Manga Newsletter #1

Number 1, September 10, 2010

The Anime and Manga Newsletter

This is the monthly newsletter of WikiProject Anime and Manga. The Anime and Manga Newsletter aims to give a summary, both of the activities of the WikiProject and global Anime and Manga News. If you wish to receive this newsletter, or no longer wish to receive it, please add your username to the appropriate section on the Mailing List. This newsletter covers all Anime and Manga events of August 2010

Anime and Manga News

August 9, 2010 - A fact from Black Rock Shooter appears on the main page.
August 6, 2010 - Final Fantasy VII Advent Children undergoes a peer review.

August 5, 2010 - A fact from List of Baccano! characters appears on the main page.
August 4, 2010 - List of Digimon video games is promoted to featured list status.
August 2, 2010 - Wandering Son is a good article nominee.

Requested articles
Articles that have been requested to be created can be found at Anime and Manga and Seiyū.

Articles that have been requested to be merged can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Cleanup task force#Articles needing to be merged and Category:Anime and manga articles to be merged.

Articles that have requests for images can be found at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of anime and manga

Anime Premiered in August

MonHun Nikki Girigiri Airū-mura Airū Kiki Ippatsu - 2010-08-05

Anime Premiering in September

Battle Spirits: Brave - 2010-09-12
Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes! - 2010-09-23
MM! - 2010-09-26

Lists Requiring Help
These are lists that were demoted from featured list status and need improvement to become FL quality again.

Articles Requiring Help

.hack//Sign, see discussion
Believers: Undersourced and contains original research
The Big O, see discussion
Bleach (manga), see discussion
Boogiepop series, see discussion
Death Note, see discussion
Fate/stay night, see discussion: MoS violations, excessive plot, undersourced, excessive non-free images, missing pertinent info, need for copyedit
Fist of the North Star, see discussion
Elfen Lied, see discussion: Heavily under-sourced with original research, lacking neutrality, excessive plot, missing basic information, need for copyedit
Giant Robo (OVA), see discussion
Golden Boy (manga), see discussion
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, see discussion
Jump Square, see discussion: Under-sourced, MoS violations, needs general copyedit.
Loituma Girl, see discussion: Inadequate lead, under-sourced, need of general copyedit.
Kirby (character), see discussion
Planetes, see discussion: doesn't follow style, too much unsourced.
Sailor Jupiter, Sailor Mars & Sailor Mercury, see discussion (all 3 are under the same discussion)
Sailor Venus, see discussion: Needs copyediting and condensing prose.
Suzuka (manga), see discussion
X (manga), see discussion
Yoshitaka Amano, see discussion: Insufficient referencing, prose problems, insufficient lead, MoS violations

Candidate Articles Requiring Help

These are well written articles that need improvement to become FA quality.

Featured articles The following articles reached featured article (FA) status and should be used as references for work on other articles in order to bring them up to FA level.

Featured lists

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Chang'e 2

On 2 October 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Chang'e 2, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)