User talk:Allens/Archives/2012/April

Your expertise concerning NRL statistical history

Care to elaborate?

Probably best to a> not edit articles when you have no knowledge of the subject matter b> not leave snooty messages when doing so, and c> actually look at the edit you're erroneously reverting - nothing was "blanked", information was being corrected.

I suggest:

• Using edit summaries
• Citing sources when changing information - this is most definitely a requirement, and failing to do so when earlier information was cited is going to look like vandalism even if done in good faith
• Signing your posts to talk pages (try ~~~~)

Allens (talk | contribs) 12:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Wonderlic Test

Thanks for your comments on peer review for the Wonderlic Test. This is my team's first substantial edit on wikipedia, & we're trying to get the hang of it. Again, thanks for your help! Mdwilliams2 (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Miranda Hart

Hi. Just thought I should let you know this was actually correct, but I can understand why you might think it was vandalism. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The combination of the term and the name of the page, yes. Should have checked and saw that there actually was a valid link to her father's name; sorry! Allens (talk | contribs) 23:43, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Scripts

Hey. If you look at my mono book, the scripts you're after are those in the //Plastikspork script area. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Doon School GA Nomination

You're invited to express your opinions for Doon's GA NOmination here:- Talk:The Doon School#Time for GA nomination? :) Merlaysamuel :  Chat  13:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Chickie's & Pete's

Thank you for the extra eyes on the C&P article. I think you may have accidentally reverted into a bad link for the home page. An IP editor has reverted that portion of your revert. The actual C&P website is probably appropriate in this case. - UnbelievableError (talk) 00:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Oops! I hadn't noticed that part of the original edit. Glad someone else did... Allens (talk | contribs) 00:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Search for references/citations

Do you know how I can get some sources for citations for Wikipedia pages on Georgia State Route 223, Georgia State Route 383, or Georgia State Route 388? What about the other Georgia state routes? I have tried using Google, but that doesn't help. The Editor Formerly Known as "Allen" (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... good question. I've never done much with road references except for with the Gloucester County College article, and for that one Google Maps did fine (all I was wanting was how far various roads were from GCC; you might be able to get similar references for the structure of Georgia State Route 223, say, by asking Google Maps for how to get from one place along SR 80 to another that's along US 278). You might take a look at any Featured Articles for roads, ask at the Georgia WikiProject, and/or ask at the U.S. Roads WikiProject. (BTW, are you from/in Georgia? I have some relatives from near Athens, and others in Macon.) Allens (talk | contribs) 02:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I will check out the links. I have already asked at USRD, as I'm a member, but to no real avail.

I am currently working near Augusta, where the three state routes come together. That is the main reason I want to edit them. Also, I really like roads, especially Interstates and U.S. Highways. The Editor Formerly Known as "Allen" (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

WIKIPEDIA IS KITTENS!

Pppowercurve (talk) 04:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Stiki

Hi Allens Congrats for being the biggest STiki user this month as per Wikipedia:STiki/leaderboard I myself use stiki and like it a lot, but i am rather annoyed by the lack of flexibility in terms of edit summary and warning templates leading to complaints on my talk page, being such an extensive Stiki user how do you handle these ? id be glad to know , thanks and regards -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 21:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks... Well, I try to be careful not to mark anything as vandalism if the person would have a reasonable claim otherwise. (I also usually set the edit summary to "nonconstructive" or "unconstructive" instead of "test/vandalism" - that way, it also encompasses "joke".) I've made a few errors, but not that many, I'm happy to say - if I'm not sure one way or another, but I think it might be (subtle) vandalism, I press "pass" so someone with, say, more knowledge of sports can decide. I've encouraged West.stephen.g to add an "uncited/comment" button, as you've seen, since that's what I encounter even more than vandalism - I'd be marking a lot of things as "uncited/comment" that I now hit "pass" or "innocent" for. How am I processing that many pages? I read fast - very fast (1000+ words per minute at my best). The best advice I can give is to locate a good speed reading course/book; I've not used one myself, but I know people whose reading speeds were massively increased with one. (I can check with one of them as to her recommendations as to a book, if you'd like.) Allens (talk | contribs) 22:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• thanks for responding, I agree marking as nonconstructive would be a far better idea as it covers lot of things, ill try this hope it does work for. Although I am under an impression that my speed is reasonably fast (never measured though) but looking at the book wont harm any way , so plz do ask abt few recommended readings. regards-- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 05:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Quite welcome; will ask! Allens (talk | contribs) 13:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• She recommends: Princeton Language Institute; Beale, Abby Marks. 10 Days to Faster Reading. New York, NY: Grand Central Publishing. ISBN 978-0-446-67667-0. Allens (talk | contribs) 12:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way to use STiki without downloading anything (like a script on my monobook.js page or a Firefox extension or plugin)? Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, even if it was a Firefox extension/plugin, you'd still need to download it. It's a full-scale Java program, not a JavaScript thing, and isn't really set up to be run by a browser - that's unreliable in any event. BTW, note that if downloading it to a computer would be a problem for some reason, you could download it to a flash drive and run it from there. Allens (talk | contribs) 13:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Luciano Sabrosa

Hey mate, I just want to explain my recent edit to Luciano Sabrosa. The reason I did that is because we do not know how many games this player has played for Salgaocar S.C.. That user just put down a random number of caps and random number of goals. It is impossible to know how many games he played because before this Indian Football (Soccer) season match-reports were not published to the public so we never really knew who played in this match and who played in this match. Thus why it is important that Sabrosa have ?? for caps and goals. If you want to reply back to me please do so on my main account Arsenalkid700. Cheers. --IndianFootballPlayersWiki (talk) 15:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey its cool mate. Ya that does not help that references are not in the infoboxes. Thanks for replying on this page btw. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Coast extention of Adriatic sea

Hi. I have read about your classification of the Croatia coast as the longest in the Adriatic sea. But I want to remember you that the italian geographer Vittorio Vialli calculates that the adriatic coast of Italy includes even nearly 500 little islands inside the lagoons of Venice, Marano, Grado, etc..plus those in the Po river delta. This fact would made Italy's coast the longest in the Adriatica sea.....Anyway IMHO I think it is not encyclopedic to include in the article Adriatic sea this phrase about the lenght of the Croatian coasts: "....in Croatia, with 1,246 counted. The number includes islands, islets, and rocks of all sizes, including ones emerging at ebb tide only....". If we calculate even the "ones emerging at ebb tide only", we would double the number of the small islands in the italian lagoons! But that would be ridiculous. Louis M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.140.184 (talk) 17:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you provide a reference on the Vittorio Vialli thing? I'd like to make the number of islands for Italy as accurate as possible.

I was actually going by the mainland coast lengths only, without the islands, in the length listing. Coastal lengths are somewhat arbitrary in any event - they depend on what scale one measures on (fractal phenomena); note that measuring by the two end points' distance from each other gives a different result also...

I'll investigate the thing on the islands - I think it's directly from a source.

Thanks, Allens (talk | contribs) 18:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I am aware that number of islands greatly depends on what is defined as an island. There is no general consensus in scientific community what is the minimum size of those other than that they must be permanently above water level. Naturally, some islands along any coast are bound to be very small and it should not be up to us to decide what's acceptable and what's not permissible - rather it should be what's published. I am also aware that Venice itself consists of 117 islands (it's in the article), whose coastline must be of considerable length, but I cannot offer any guess the figure. The source used claims 23 km - which seems low to me, but I found no source claiming otherwise. There was some confusion in Croatia too regarding number of islands - with figures of 1185, 1233 and 1244 claimed before an official count of 1246 was published by the Croatian Bureau of Statistics.

In summation - if there are other sources claiming other figures in terms of coastline length or number of islands, I'd be happy to include that in the article - but lacking sources I have no other recourse.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll look up the Vittorio Vialli lead and see what turns up, though.--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Vittorio Vialli seems to have been a Paleontologist but I found no source attributed to him on the subject. Then I thought of another approach: Italy has only two island clusters in the Adriatic - Venetian lagoon islands and Isole Tremiti. I found this source and it provided coastline lengths for five islands there (mind you the smallest of the five is 400 metres long and 200 metres wide, so the list should be quite comprehensive). The five are San Domino (10 km of coast), San Nicola (3.7 km), Pianosa (1.3 km), Capraia (4.7 km) and Il Cretaccio (1.3 km) - which adds up to 21 km. I suppose this fits the 23 km cited for island coastline in the article - allowing for rounding off, measurements taken at high or low tide etc. This would mean that the Venetian lagoon island coastline is unaccounted for - but I have absolutely no source on that (for now at least). Perhaps a note (third one) should go into the table to indicate that the figure does not include coastline length of 117 islands in the Venetian lagoon until it's found someplace. What do you think?--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's probably needed. It would admittedly be the third note, as you state - starting to use ^a instead of *, ^b instead of **, etc is probably a good idea.Allens (talk | contribs) 23:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Good idea - replacing the asterisks with superscripted letters. I'll rework the notes and add the new one tomorrow morning and keep looking for any sources on the Venetian lagoon archipelago measurements. Thanks for the tip on this issue!--Tomobe03 (talk) 01:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Done now... Sourcing Venetian lagoon islands coastline length still remains though.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. I still cannot understand why in the article there is no reference to the lagoon of Grado ( http://www.abr.fvg.it/educazione-e-documentazione/cartografia/cartabatimetrica-della-laguna-di-marano-e-grado/carta-batimetrica-della-laguna-di-marano-e-grado-note-illustrative ) that has 120 little islands (with 500 kms of island coasts) or to the 80 hectareas added every year by the Po river to its delta (that creates 10 little islands yearly there). BTW, Vittorio Vialli is famous for his book "Geografia", that can be easily googled.It is "strange" that Tomobe cannot find all this.....croatian nationalism sometimes is too much "balkanic"!...(;D)...Louis M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.236.74.14 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Umm... ad hominem beside, the reasons either he or I could find a book without an English (or Croatian) translation? And the page reference you're giving is to a page that Google refuses to translate. And I found multiple references (from EU documents, for instance) to Venice and Tremiti being the only island groups of significant size along Italy's Adriatic coastline. The Po river delta's extension is actually already in the article, and the definition of islands doesn't include mud flats. In regard to Grado, everything that I can find indicates it's a total of one island; I doubt people would have missed 120 "small" islands with a circumfrence of over 4 km each! Allens (talk | contribs) 22:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The lagoon of Grado is not specifically mentioned in the article because it is one of ten Ramsar wetlands along Italian Adriatic coast (which are explicitly mentioned and wikilinked). A paper says that "it is separated from the sea by a long shore bar composed by isles and more or less persistent sand banks", and looking at a map - there are several islands in the lagoon... As far as I can tell, all the sources I have looked at treat lagoons - this one as well as the Venetian lagoon - as if they were not part of the Adriatic, at least in terms of morphology of the coast. I thought of this because I read "separated from the sea" in the paper and other sources and descriptions of lido as land between the lagoon and the sea (like this one). That may amount to nothing, or maybe that is because the areas are treated as zones where rivers empty into the sea, as in case of the Po delta, only with Sile (river)/Brenta (river) and Soča/Tagliamento rivers in the two lagoons. At any rate, I'll try to see if this is so or if there is another explanation for this.

As far as Balkanic Croatian nationalism is concerned - I really have no intention to "belittle" one coast by saying there are fewer islands nearby than elsewhere even if that were possible. Let's perhaps move this discussion to Talk:Adriatic Sea?--Tomobe03 (talk) 23:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

this source and this one appear to define coastal lagoons as inland water bodies, while dictionaries are generally vague on the topic. Maybe that's the source of this exclusion of the lagoon islands from the sources in the article?--Tomobe03 (talk) 00:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

HI again for the last time. How it is possible that experienced wikipedians like you don't know how to translate with goggle translator? Here it is a small section translated:

• The Laguna is bounded seaward by a string of islands bar-barrier (Grado, Marina Macia and Manzi, Buso, S. Andrea, Martignano), most of which have been profoundly altered by human intervention. Especially for the Lagoon of Grado they are faced toward the sea by another complex system of sand banks in rapid evolution (Brambati et al. 1998) with shares often close to sea level and only strengthened by dunes (and Cats Morocco, 1992). I have lived in the city of Grado 3 years, and I can send photos of the eight little island that compose Grado, a city-island that like Venice is composed by many little islands.....but I am astonished by all this.....with croatian-balkan nationalism there it is nothing to do! Good luck with your "serious" encyclopedia.Louis M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.21.16.9 (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

New Stiki

just a reminder that the new stiki has been released, cheers -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 21:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, already submitted a bug report and going to report another... Allens (talk | contribs) 21:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

STiki: A new version and a thank you!

Greetings Allens. As the developer of the STiki anti-vandal tool, I would like to thank you for recent and non-trivial use of my software. Whether you just tried out the tool briefly or have been a long-term participant, I appreciate your efforts (as I am sure does the entire Wikipedia community)!

I write to inform you of a new version of the software (link goes to list of new features). This version addresses multiple long-term issues that I am happy to put behind us. Try it out! Provide some feedback!

The STiki project is also always seeking collaborators. In particular, we are seeking non-technical colleagues. Tasks like publicity, talk-page maintenance, advertisement, and barn-star distribution are a burden to technical development. If you are interested, write me at my talk page or STiki's talk page.

As STiki approaches two significant thresholds: (1) 100,000 revert actions and (2) 400 unique users -- I hope to have your support in continuing the efficient fight against unconstructive editing. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi - no, no problem at all, thanks for that - all in good faith - best regards - Youreallycan 20:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hello Allens, I have granted rollback rights to your account in accordance with your request. Please be aware that rollback should be used to revert vandalism/spam/blatantly unconstructive edits, and that using it to revert anything else (such as by revert-warring or reverting edits you disagree with) can lead to it being removed from your account...sometimes without any warning, depending on the admin who becomes aware of any misuse. If you think an edit should require a reason for reverting, then don't use rollback and instead use a manual edit summary. For practice, you may wish to see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 14:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm planning on pretty much only using it with STiki, unless I come across vandalism otherwise by chance due to watchlisting or whatever. Allens (talk | contribs) 14:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Booger Hole

Allens, This is Tweegytoes. You recently reverted a change that I had made, and I would like you to explain why please. It was on the page Clay County, West Virginia. I am sorry if you got this message twice. I was not sure that my reply on my talk page would notify you.

Thanks, Tweegytoes (talk) 22:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't see it on your talk page; I'm sorry about the error. Booger Hole is not a very likely name for a community... Allens (talk | contribs) 00:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand. It is a strange name. Sorry I did not cite it on the clay county page. I also made a page for Booger Hole that day and I put my citation there and forgot to do it on the Clay page. Tweegytoes (talk) 02:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Concerning recent edits.

I'm really dreadfully sorry about that recent edit, a young friend of mine logged on to my PC while I was in the kitchen and did that daft removal of content. I shall be more secure about my account in future, you have my humblest apologies.

--Purple1342 (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand fully... Allens (talk | contribs) 16:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Astatine

Hi Allen. Just to let you know that the Astatine request that you have in hand is now on the main GOCE requests page, as we're abaondining the separate FAC page. Cheers, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 19:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Got it; thanks! Allens (talk | contribs) 20:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

snatam kaur khalsa, and 3ho

hello, i apoligize if i in some way violated wikipedia policies concerning unconstructive editing, i am new to wikipedia and it was unintential due to my ignorance. i assure you it won't happen again. i thought uncited text can be removed or sources affiliated with the subject, i.e. the internet link to Snatam's personal website. Snatam is a 3ho member. at the Rick Ross website (www.rickross.com) is copy of a Court Affidavit of Rickard Ofshe, Ph.D a renown cult expert, who has testified many times regarding cults. he testified that 3ho is a cult. a major contributor to the Snatam Kaur Khalsa's page is Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa, also a 3ho member. it seems there is a collabative effort of these cult members to infest wikipedia with propaganda about their leader Yogi Bhajan and the 3ho agenda, cost free at wikipedia expense. See my post at the Yogi Bhajan talk page. Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa treats the yogi bhajan page as his own website. there I have detailed there are 91 sources, 58 are affiliated with the subject, and there is also a neutrality issue. again sorry for my error. respectfully submitted, daan singh Daan singh (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

One can rely on a subject's website for some basic biographical information. Now that I look at the edit more closely, I see exactly how much other material is there; what I'd mainly seen before was the blanking of a page, which is almost always vandalism (more selective edits are more appropriate in almost any case except, say, copyright infringement). I'll work on trimming it down myself, and will remove the vandalism notice from your talk page - sorry! Allens (talk | contribs) 20:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hello, Allens! I hope you enjoy this cookie as an amicable greeting from a fellow Wikipedian and vandal fighter. SwisterTwister talk 05:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Mmm... chocolate... Allens (talk | contribs) 06:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)