Talk:The Firehouse Restaurant

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I've split the issues up into two sections. The "Must change" section are things that have to be changed for the article to ever be in mainspace. The "Should change" section are things that will improve the article but won't keep it from being in mainspace. Feel free to ask questions just below this comment if you have any questions. OlYeller^Talktome 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I will start working on making those changes now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aee22 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]

You mentioned in one of your edits that you are sure that you can get permission from the company. I'm curious as to how you are sure that they would give you and Wikipedia permission to use the text. Regardless, the wording is not appropriate for Wikipedia. If you're having trouble with a rewrite, try only stating facts like, "The restaurant opened in 1960." as opposed to "The restaurant had a magnificent opening in 1960 and instantly became a smashing success." The first sentence is a fact while the second is full of opinions that aren't suitable for WP unless many reliable and independent sources have that opinion. OlYeller^Talktome 18:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reworked it a bit, and will conintue to find more sources. Regarding your question - I wrote the history that is used on the website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aee22 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Must change

The article is a copyright violation as the text was taken from the official website. In some cases, permission can be granted by the copyright holder so that Wikipedia (WP) can use the text. In this case though, the text isn't suitable for WP anyway and must be rewritten. OlYeller^Talktome 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed. OlYeller^Talktome 02:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is considered unambiguous advertising. This is more of a judement call made by other editors and has to do with the tone in which the article is written. The article must state only facts. If an opinion is going to be given, it must be from a reliable source that's independent of the subject and a reference must be given to verify who gave the opinion. For example, a sentence like, "Ten22's expansive interior and adventurous menu make it an ideal destination for anyone." is an opinion and can not be included unless a critique or columnist made the statement. OlYeller^Talktome 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed. OlYeller^Talktome 02:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability isn't claimed or established. There are guidelines that determine what will and will not be included in the encyclopedia. The easiest (an possibly only) way that the restaurant will be included is if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. In short, we need to find two or more articles that are written about The Firehouse Restaurant. OlYeller^Talktome 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something we can use to help us find sources. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL OlYeller^Talktome 12:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added many references and fully believe that the subject is notable. More references can and will be added but I would consider the issue of notability to be addressed. Verifying all of the awards with references would erase any possible doubt from other people's minds, in my opinion. OlYeller^Talktome 14:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will continue to look for sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aee22 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should change

We should probably focus on the other issues first. OlYeller^Talktome 12:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]