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Happy editing! -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sōta Fujii edits

Although I believe your attempt at improving Sōta Fujii were genuine and made in good faith, they were not really consistent with current practice and the manual of style followed on English Wikipedia; thus, they were not really improvements over the prior version of the article and have been undone. Different Wikipedia's have slightly different ways of doing things which means English and Japanese Wikipedia may follow slightly different approaches. If you'd like to discuss this more or would like further clarification at Talk:Sōta Fujii, feel free to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, my name is リヒタインツ（Lichteins）.

First of all, I'm not an English speaker, I'm a Japanese.

So please reply with a well-organized sentence so that it is easy to translate.

I found the date wrong and fixed it, could you undo the edits just for that part? リヒタインツ (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it is said that you can speak Japanese in your profile. Is it possible here as well? リヒタインツ (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lichteins. I can understand quite a bit of Japanese, but it's important to use English as much as possible on English Wikipedia to make it easier for those who don't understand any Japanese at all to also participate in discussions. I don't think my original post was unorganized or too difficult to understand. If English isn't you're first language, then that's OK and we can try to work with that; however, you're going to be expected to have some competence in English if you're going to be making edits on English Wikipedia. If the English I'm using is too hard for you to understand, then maybe you should look at this template for reference. If you need to use translation software or something similar to translate comments like mine from English into Japanese, you might find it difficult to edit on English Wikipedia. Communication between editors is very important and using English is the main way we communicate with each other here on English Wikipedia. Now, if you want to ask specific questions about the edits you made to the Fujii article, then you can do so at Talk:Sōta Fujii and I will try and explain what I thought the problem with them was and why they were undone. If you're not sure how to use an article talk page, please look at Help:Introduction to talk pages/1 for more information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. And what should the name of the subject be? リヒタインツ (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by name of the subject. If you mean the title of the article, then please take a look at MOS:JAPAN#Name order. There's also an ongoing discussion about this at WT:MOSJAPAN#Name order which you may find helpful. If, however, you're referring to some other type of "subject", then please clarify and I'll try to answer.

Finally, it doesn't matter so much here in this discussion since its only between you and me (so far) here on your user talk page, but you should try to properly WP:INDENT your talk page posts per WP:TP#Indentation if you're going to participate in talk page discussions involving two or more editors (particularly discussions on other types talk pages) because it can help make the "flow" of the discussion easier to follow and avoid confusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I want to have a discussion. What kind of subject should I use to create a new discussion in Talk:Sōta Fujii? I asked that way. --リヒタインツ (talk) 01:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what you want to discuss. Sometimes trying to discuss too many things in the same discussion thread gets complicated. So, if you want to discuss the title of the article, you can start a discussion for that. If you then also want to discuss something else, you can start a new discussion about that. All you need to do is go to the article's talk page and click on either the "New section" tab at the very top of the page or on "Click here to start a new topic" link in the template at the top of the page. If you do either of those things, a new window will open where you can add your question, suggestion or comment. Before you do that though you might want to look at MOS:MOS and MOS:JAPAN to see whether you might find the answers to your questions on either of those pages. "MOS:MOS" is the general style guideline for all Wikipedia articles and "MOS:JAPAN" is the general style guideline for articles about Japanese subjects. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking of creating the subject name of the agenda to be "About Japanese editors". Is there any problem? --リヒタインツ (talk) 01:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's no problem with About Japanese editors per se, but I'm not sure how it's related to "Sōta Fujii". Article talk pages are generally intended to be places to discuss ways to improve Wikipedia articles in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. They're not really intended to be places for generally discussing the subjects of articles or other matters. So, if you want to discuss specific ways to try and improve "Sōta Fujii", then "Talk:Sōta Fujii" is probably the best place to do that. If, however, you want to discuss "Japanese editors" in a general sense (perhaps suggest ways to make things easier for Japanese editors to edit English Wikipedia), then perhaps WT:JAPAN or WP:EMBASSY would be a better place for that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I didn't have enough thoughts. Well, the name is long, but what about “About the reason why the editing of the Japanese editor was remanded”? --リヒタインツ (talk) 02:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask. Do you want to ask "Why were my edits reverted?" or something similar to that? For reference, edits generally tend to be reverted when they're not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines and not because the editor who made them was of a particular nationality; so, the fact that you're Japanese had nothing to do with the reason why the edits you made were undone. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then is it okay to say “Please tell me the reason why the edit was remanded.”? Also, thank you for your help. --リヒタインツ (talk) 02:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with that except that the word "remanded" is perhaps not as easily to understand as "reverted" or "undone" might be. Since I reverted your edit and I'll most likely be the one to respond to any such question on the article's talk page, I'll briefly explain why here.

English Wikipedia currently uses the first name last name word order for Japanese names as explained in MOS:JAPAN#Name order. So, English Wikipedia uses "Sōta Fujii" even though "Fujii Sōta" is the order used in Japanese. Moreover, I'm aware that the Japanese Government would like to change the way Japanese names are used in English, but Wikipedia is still following the convention used throughout the most of the English-speaking world by major media outlets, publishers, etc. Perhaps in the future that will change and things will be as the Japanese Government wants, but until it does Wikipedia will likely stick with the current order it uses for names. You can discuss this further at WT:MOSJAPAN#Name order if you want since someone else is also asking about the same thing.

The table you added for Fujii's major titles was pretty much redundant to content already in the article. Essentially the same information can be found in Sōta Fujii#Titles and other championships and in Sōta Fujii#Shogi professional; so, there was no need to add another table to the article. Moreover, some of the details in the table you added weren't really necessary per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, and there is no need for Japanese to be used in such a table.

Finally, I'm aware the the Japan Shogi Associatio(JSA) "orders" or "ranks" (i.e. wikt:序列#Japanese) major titles in a certain way, but Wikipedia doesn't need to follow that order per se. The order isn't really relevant to English Wikipedia readers, but if an order is needed then it should be either alphabetical or chronological as opposed to degree of importance as determined by the JSA. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agreed with the first and second answers. I don't need any further explanation.

However, I feel that it is not in alphabetical or chronological order, let alone the order of JSA, which you mentioned in the last answer. What is this “order” or “rank” based on?

By the way, I edited the ones that didn't correspond to your answer (mistakes in numbers and alphabets), but have you ever been remanded because you neglected to sort them out? If you accidentally remand a typographical error that I corrected, wouldn't you complain if I edited that part right away? --リヒタインツ (talk) 04:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The way the titles are currently listed is probably random based up when they were added to the article. There's no real need to sort anything out since there's no need for them to be in any particular order. What you did here and here was reorder things that basically didn't need to be reordered; so, your edit wasn't fixing a typographical error because there was no such error to fix. I'm assuming you did this based upon the order used in ja:藤井聡太 at that's OK, but English Wikipedia doesn't need to follow the order used by Japanese Wikipedia or the JSA. There's no real encyclopedic difference in listing the titles as "Ryūō, Ōi, Eiō and Kisei" as opposed to listing them as "Ryūō, Kisei, Ōi and Eiō" since there's no relevant increase in encyclopedic understanding by doing so. Now, if you feel the titles should be listed in a certain order, then that's fine and that would be something to discuss on the article's talk page. Just for reference, I've been reverted (remanded) quite a number of times and have no problems with it as long as a good reason is given to do so, which you really didn't give. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. I fully accept your answer. And when I have time to spare, I will submit the agenda for the order of the titles. But again, I've also corrected typographical errors and omissions that don't conflict with your claim. However, it has been remanded by you along with the edits I admitted to be incorrect. Can I fix them again? --リヒタインツ (talk) 05:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first time I looked over your edits, I didn't see any that resembled typographical errors and omissions. However, I've looked over your edits once again and found this and this. Yes, that was a random number "2" that was added by mistake at some point; so, thank you for noticing it and removing it, and my apologies for not noticing it myself. If there are any more mistakes like that which I mistakenly restored, please point them out and I'll fix them or feel free to fix them yourself. I was focusing too much on the other changes you made and missed that one particular edit. Once again, my apologies for that. There aren't many editors familiar with shogi who edited on English Wikipedia. Please don't let this one bit of unpleasentness discourage you from continuing to edit and be WP:BOLD; however, please also try to understand that things over on Japanese Wikipedia might be done slightly differently over here on English Wikipedia. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them at Wikipedia Teahouse, WP:JAPAN or even on my user talk page and someone will try and help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for everything, I added that Fujii's "i" was missing in the section about the title. Finally, I'm sorry for the poor English so far. Thank you for having a conversation with me this time. --リヒタインツ (talk) 05:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your English isn't really a problem. Sometimes it just take a bit of time to sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]