User:Water and Land/Archive 2009-2010

Drainage system (Geomorphology)

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Dropped a note on the maintainer's talk page. Water and Land (talk) 15:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

RE Drainage System (Agriculture):

I wish to congratulate you on the addition of an excellently-written and well-documented article concerning groundwater removal from agricultural lands. Kudos for your work.

I took the liberty of changing a few words and adding a few links, but (hopefully) I did not alter the import of your work - I hope you are OK with it. Thanks in advance. Raymondwinn (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Raymondwinn. Water and Land (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Alkali soils

Thanks for cleaning it up. I don't normally do "drive by" tagging, but I'm not quite familiar enough with the subject to do a re-write myself without some further reading. Fences and windows (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Irrigation in Peru

I read on your user page that you worked in Peru and that you have worked on irrigation. I'd be interested to have you review, and perhaps edit, the article Irrigation in Peru. Looking forward to your comments.--Mschiffler (talk) 13:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, One of these says I will review the article and give my comments on the discussion page there.Water and Land (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I have expanded the section Irrigation in Peru#Environmental impacts of irrigation. Cheers Water and Land (talk) 20:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Desalination

Hello. I very much disagree with your recent move of the desalinatiton article. Whenever I see the word used in the media, it's always been in reference to water desalination. I think the move should be undone. Then something about the soil desalination article could be mentioned at the beginning of the article, with a link to it. The desalination article has been around a long time, and many other articles link to it. I don't think it's wise to just go and move such a major article without first having a discussion on the talk page and reaching a consenses. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I added the following to the beginning of the article on water desalination: "This article is about water desalination. For soil desalination, see soil desalination." Then I proposed a speedy deletion of the disambiguation page. After it's deleted, I will move the water desalination article back to desalination. Anyone who searches for "desalination" in an attempt to find soil desalination will see that message at the beginning. Grundle2600 (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Desalination, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This disambiguation page never should have been created. The term "desalination" almost always refers to water, not soil. The water desalination article now has a thing at the beginning that says "This article is about water desalination. For soil desalination, see soil desalination." The article was moved very recently from Desalination to Water desalination without any discussion. It is a major article that many other articles link to, and it should not have been moved without discussion. I need to have this disambiguation page deleted so I can move Water desalination back to Desalination.

Grundle2600 (talk) 00:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hi there, I just wanted to let you know I moved Water desalination back to Desalination. Here is the comment I posted on the talk page.

I have moved the article back to Desalination. The disambiguation page only had links to two articles, Desalination and Soil salinity control. A disambiguation page is only appropriate when there are three or more articles to choose between. When there are only two articles, hatnotes at the top of both articles, with links to the other article are appropriate. See WP:DAB for more information. If anyone thinks this article should be moved (possibly to water desalination, then it should be discussed here on the talk page to reach consensus first.

If you have any questions about what I have done, don't hesitate to ask! — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  00:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought I did a good thing and was not expecting such fierce reactions. I did my best to change on many pages the internal link "desalination" into "water desalination". I hope you don't mind I now create a page "Water desalination" with a redirect to "Desalination".

There were two arguments I do not agree with. 1) Desalination almost always refers to water, not to soil. How can you be sure about that. In my profession everybody using the term desalination refers to soil desalination. 2) The fact that an article has been around a long time does not make it untouchable.

Previously I changed the long standing page "Drainage system" into "Drainage system (hydrology)" and I created a page "Drainage system (agriculture)" and a disambiguation page "Drainage system". This move met with approval, and it was also suggested by someone, just like on the talk page of "Desalination" someone suggested to call it "Water desalination".

Reactions are apparently impredictable. Therefore I admit it would have been better to discuss the move before executing it. I will not contest the speedy deletion. Water and Land (talk) 01:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand that your intention was good. You didn't do anything wrong. Although your profession may use the word to refer to soil, we go by the general usage of the word in the media, which almost always refers to water. I understand that you want people who do a search for "desalination" to see the soil article, which is why the desalination article now contains that message and link at the very beginning. I did see the message that you referred to on the talk page, but it was from a long time ago, and it was from just one person. There was no general consensus. The desalination article has been linked to by many articles. Thank you for having water desalination redirect back to desalination. If an article is new with just a few edits, you can probably move it without a discussion. But when an article is years old with a huge number of edits, a move requires a discussion and consensus. Grundle2600 (talk) 01:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

LinguistAtLarge says: a disambiguation page is only appropriate when there are three or more articles to choose between. Well, there is a third article: Osmoregulation. Can I now reinstall the disambiguation page and the "Water desalination" page? Water and Land (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The Osmoregulation article does not include the word "desalination" anywhere in the text. And even if there were 100 different types of desalination, the desalination article would still be about water, because that's how almost everyone uses the term. The top of the article would then have a link to the disambiguation page, for all other uses of the word. Grundle2600 (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Does Grundle2600 have any proof that "the media" (whatever that is) almost always refer to water when using the word desalination? Water and Land (talk) 11:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Here is a google news search so you can see for yourself. I think it's great that you work with soil desalination. Like my hero Norman Borlaug, you have saved many lives. This isn't an attack on you or on soil desalination. The fact is that for many years, the desalination article has been specifically about water, and a huge number of articles link to it. I fixed the links from all the major articles, and the redirect means I can skip the minor ones. Please realize that this is nothing personal against you. I've been corrected many times myself for my own good faith edits. Both of us love science, so that's good too. Grundle2600 (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look at the disambiguation page Salinity control. Is that OK? Water and Land (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

That's great! I can't see why anyone would object to that. Grundle2600 (talk) 14:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I changed the message at the beginning of the Desalination article so it now says, "This article is about removing salt from water. For other kinds of desalination, see Salinity control."

Pro crast in a tor changed the page Salinity control from disambiguation into redirect to Soil salinity control. Water and Land (talk) 08:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I think he has a valid point too. He made a comment on the talk page of the redirect. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Plastro Irrigation Systems

I was able to add some references to Plastro Irrigation Systems to establish the company's notability. -- Eastmain (talk) 03:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Your efforts to upgrade articles are appreciated. Water and Land (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Altered deletion rationale

Hello, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I have deleted a page you tagged (Tidal Irrigation) under a criterion different from the one your provided, which was inappropriate or incorrect. CSD criteria are narrow and specific to protect the encyclopedia, and the process is more effective if the correct deletion rationale is supplied. Consider reviewing the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Thanks again! SoWhy 11:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

SoWhy, thanks for the action. Water and Land (talk) 15:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion request

Speedy deletion nomination of Water and Land (talk)

A tag has been placed on User talk:Water and Land/Archive 2007/2008, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason: the page was made, regretted and renamed by User:Water and Land, now it is a useless redirect page

Water and Land (talk) 12:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Flood&recession.JPG

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Skier Dude (talk) 09:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I made a typing error in the license tag. This has been corrected. Water and Land (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:BundPhoto.JPG

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I made a typing error in the license tag. This has been corrected. Water and Land (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:HablehRud.JPG

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I made a typing error in the license tag. This has been corrected. Water and Land (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

This image, and the other one, look like scans from a book. Does this mean that you supplied this graph and photo's for the book publisher and are the rightful copyright owner ? For validation reasons, it might be handy to write down which book and to note your permission in our OTRS system, so that we can counter any potential claims by the publisher of the book. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

This image is not from a book but it was prepared with software made by myself. I have now indicated this in File:HablehRud.JPG and hope it is fine now. Water and Land (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Addition: the photographs were also made by myself. Water and Land (talk) 14:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC

I'm confused. The images look like they were scanned. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I will have to check whether they were scanned. It could be that I lost the originals and scanned my own work from copies. Water and Land (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Check done: it is a scan, but of my own work, no publishing company is involved. Water and Land (talk) 09:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, if you can send an email as detailed here, with information that you are the copyright holder of these images (please specify), and that these were also published in books (please specify), then there shouldn't be a problem. Sorry for all the work, but cases like these are always a bit harder on everyone. We don't want to get into a copyright case of a Wikipedia editor that we cannot identify vs. a publishing company that doesn't want to think along. And unfortunately, those cases do occur. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:07, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello TheDJ, I am afraid the case is getting a little complicated. Using your link here one reads: "I wish to reproduce material on Wikipedia that has been previously published elsewhere and am in position to verify the license, either because I am the copyright holder or because I have permission from the copyright holder.". Now, the material (in this case File:HablehRud.JPG) was not published elsewhere, and no one holds copyright. It comes from a report that was made by me as specialist/consultant of a govermnent institute by order of the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) of the United Nations and the mission was to the Garmsar project in Iran, who were actually the client. The report was edited and reproduced by my institute itself, not elsewhere The report was submitted to Garmsar and FAO and, upon receiving consent regarding the contents, distributed freely to anyone interested. Such reports are entirely in public domain. License and copyright are out the question. What to do now? Kind regards, Water and Land (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Just say that in the email. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:02, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Although it does not concern "material that has been published elsewhere" and the situation: "either because I am the copyright holder or because I have permission from the copyright holder" is not applicabe, I have just now made the request for verification by email to: permissions-en@wikimedia.org. Water and Land (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded a new version, self made, not scanned, in PNG format instead of JPG. Water and Land (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:PunataFan.png

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Please add a link, or a more detailed description of the exact NASA source. NASA is too often denoted as a copyright owner while in reality the material is ESA for instance. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I have entered the source of File:PunataFan.png (NASA World Wind) and removed the "no source tag". Hope it is OK now. Water and Land (talk) 14:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, this is good enough. Thank you. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Naar Commons

Hoi, Water and Land, ik heb al je afbeeldingen naar Commons verplaatst zodat ze ook op de Nederlandse Wikipedia gebruikt kunnen worden. multichill (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Beste Multichill, wat een klus. hartelijk dank. Water and Land (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Was te overzien. Ik heb een heel vlijtig robotje die het meeste werk heeft gedaan :-) multichill (talk) 11:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Greetings from the Soil WikiProject!

Thank you for your recent contributions to one of Wikipedia's soil-related articles. Given the interest you've expressed by your edits, have you considered joining the Soil WikiProject? It's a group dedicated to improving the overall quality of all soil related articles.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask at the project talk page, or feel free to ask me on my talk page. --Paleorthid (talk) 22:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I have seen that Paleorthid is very active in the Soil Project. I am not a soil scientist as such and my working knowledge about soils is restricted to water management of "saline soils", "alkaline soils" and "acid sulphate soils", and my contributions have been limited to these. I still need to consider how I could be useful in the Wikiproject Soils. Water and Land (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)