Template talk:Welcomenh

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link to {{welcome}}

Please add the following:

<noinclude>
----
{{subst:user:zondor/srt}}
==See also==
* [[Template:Welcome]]
</noinclude>

-- Zondor 04:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. howch e ng {chat} 18:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is more. should the following be added?

<noinclude>
----
{{subst:user:zondor/srt}}
==See also==
* [[Template:Welcome]]
* [[Template:Welcome2]]
* [[Template:Welcome3]]
* [[Template:Welcome4]]
* [[Template:Welcome5]]
* [[Template:Welcomenh]]
</noinclude>

-- Zondor 14:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. howch e ng {chat} 07:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fix template

Have the <noinclude> directly after the non-breaking space on the same line and with no space in between, I experimented with it and doing this solves a problem where a space is put after the template. Thanks! --WikiSlasher 04:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually replace the text in the main part so that it is the same as {{Welcome}} but without the bold header. --WikiSlasher 05:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. J Di ^talk 17:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed wording change

Please see Template_talk:Welcome#Suggesting_wording_change_to_simplify -SCEhard T 02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Documentation

{{editprotected}} Could an administrator transclude the documentation subpage to the main template? Thanks. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 348° 59' 30" NET 23:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{editprotected}}

Could an administrator change this

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}<noinclude></noinclude>, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: *[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]] *[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] *[[Help:Contents|Help pages]] *[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]] *[[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]] *[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! <noinclude>---- This [[Wikipedia:Template|template]] is a [[Wikipedia:Avoid self-references|self-reference]] and so is part of the Wikipedia project rather than the encyclopaedic content. ==See also== * [[Template:Welcome]] * [[Template:Welcome2]] * [[Template:Welcome3]] * [[Template:Welcome4]] * [[Template:Welcome5]] {{/doc}} [[Category:Welcome templates|No header]]</noinclude>

to this

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}<noinclude></noinclude>, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: *[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]] *[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] *[[Help:Contents|Help pages]] *[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Tutorial]] *[[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]] *[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on my talk page, or place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! <noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude>

at Template:Welcomenh? My first request was misunderstood. Thanks. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 246° 1' 30" NET 16:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done WOSlinker (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsensical message in code

In the template source code, it says the following:

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}<noinclude><!-- please don't try any noinclude:subst tricks here, won't work, see talk--></noinclude>

I can't find the "talk" it references. It's not on this page, nor any archives; after I traced it back to this 17 December 2006 revision I thought maybe it was the commenter's talk, but the December 17th revision of their talk and their December 2007 archive shows nothing about it.
Doesn't make any sense to me. {{Welcome}} and most others use subst:/safesubst:/{{{|safesubst:}}} and they're fine. It should be substituted to help new users understand: see the Welcometest page.
Not going to get my hands dirty this time; not feeling exceptionally WP:BOLD at the moment. Meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 08:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did a little more digging and found this to be (his) next edit. Meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 05:52, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the key lies in

Actually replace the text in the main part so that it is the same as {{Welcome}} but without the bold header.

If it was copied from the November 2006 revision of Template:Welcome then the note refers to the thread on Template talk:Welcome, not here!

Over at Template:Welcome, the insertion of that note first appeared 26 June 2006, meaning “see talk” was referring to the then-current 19 June 2006 Welcome template talkpage (not the talkpage I'm on right now). Based on the changes to Template:Welcome around that time the person who wrote that cautionary comment is referring to conversations such as this and edits such as this, where people tried various methods to substitute {{BASEPAGENAME}} but were thwarted. Assuming it was available at the time, WP:SAFESUBST would have been perfect. Even the supergeeks over at VPT [1][2] barely seemed to understand safesubst due to poor documentation, so I'm guessing it was never used?

Piecing all this together after 8 years...

The transclusion counts back in 2006 were 13,000+.

Today, thanks to a discussion, AnomieBot now auto-substitutes them. Apparently, at some point someone figured out a way to substitute 10K+ templates. Right now according to Templatecount there are 0 transclusions. Ergo, original comment on Template:Welcomenh (pasted from Template:Welcome) referring to Template talk:Welcome can now be safely ignored as the prohibitively high transclusion count is nonexistent.

Conclusion: remove the warning; it's stale. Problem solved. If somebody hates my solution, revert. 'Til then, I think an 8-year-old note about a problem back then isn't worth keeping. Meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 08:06, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

– Did the above. Meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 04:56, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]