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Categorization

It appears that in the last edit or two, Category:Redirects to list entries was placed within noinclude tags. This effectively removed all such redirects from the category, which is an undesirable result. I've placed this category outside the noinclude tags and added [[Category:Redirects to list entries| ]] inside the noinclude tags. This might result in two instances of this particular template in that category, one of which was the intended one at the top of the category. Hope this change sits well with all users/editors of this template. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed changes to simplify and refer

{{editprotected}} Please replace the code with the following:

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This is a [[Wikipedia:redirect|redirect]] to a list in which the subject is an entry.
{{See|Template:R to list entry}}

This template automatically categorizes pages to [[:Category:Redirects to list entries]].
{{ns0|[[Category:Redirects to list entries]]}}<!--Template:R to list entry--><noinclude>

{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>

--Bsherr (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks uncontroversial enough, and avoids presupposing what the list article is for, so

Done. If anyone disagrees then feel free to ping me and I'll revert pending discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 11:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further template

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Is there any good reason to have a Further template that links right back to this redirect template? I've never seen this done before, so if there is no good reason for it, then please omit it. – PIE ( CLIMAX ) 22:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It probably exists so the redirects this template is used on have a link to the template documentation. Or would, if T16323 were ever to be fixed. Anomie ⚔ 01:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that makes good sense, although most of these templates refer the editor back to the cat itself rather than back to the categorizing template. At least the link should show up on the Diff pages. Thank you very much, Anomie! – PIE ( CLIMAX ) 02:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TOP Nbsp

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Some time ago with this edit the non-breaking space was removed from the TOP of the code with no explanation as to why. The Nbsp is needed to furnish a carriage return and ensure that the text of this Rcat begins on the next line after any previous Rcat's text on a redirect. Yes, it's true that text does not yet appear on active redirects; however, it does appear and is often helpful when a redirect is deactivated for Rfd. To compare, this page shows how it looks at present, and this modified page shows how it should appear. Please restore the non-breaking space to the TOP of the code:

modify this...

<!-- this is Template:R to list entry -->
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This is a [[w:Wikipedia:redirect|redirect]] to a list in which the subject is an entry.
{{Further2|[[:w:Template:R to list entry|Template:R to list entry]]}}

to this...

&nbsp;<!-- this is Template:R to list entry -->
----
This is a [[w:Wikipedia:redirect|redirect]] to a list in which the subject is an entry.
{{Further2|[[:w:Template:R to list entry|Template:R to list entry]]}}

and if you happen across any others like this that are also fully protected, please restore the non-breaking space there, as well. This is the second Rcat like this that I've recently encountered; this one was the first. (I checked all of the most-used Rcats in the short index and all that are formatted like this one still have the Nbsp.) Thank you in advance for your consideration! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 02:52, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done, or rather Undone. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Redrose64! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 17:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 11 May 2015

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Now that {{R from list topic}} exists, the following should be added to this template to avoid confusion:

**If this is a redirect from a topic to a list related to that topic, not to a specific entry on a larger list, then instead of this rcat, tag this redirect with {{tl|R from list topic}}.

Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First, could someone explain why {{R from subtopic}} doesn't do the same job as the new {{R from list topic}}? – Paine 22:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's the opposite, {{R from subtopic}} is going from a narrower subject to a wider one while {{R from list topic}} is going wide to narrow. {{R from subtopic}} would be something like Bluebird→Bird, where {{R from list topic}} is going from Bird→List of birds. If anything, {{R to list entry}} is closer to {{R from subtopic}} than {{R from list topic}} is. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ping Pigsonthewing – It's the opposite? Then a further concern would be: Why create a category and rcat for one entry, Birds of Tunisia, when an existing category, Redirects to subtopics with 166 entries, is sufficient to sort a wider-to-narrower topic? I can see the need if there were several more than one entry specific to lists, so do you know of any others besides the single entry in this new category? (I have pinged the creator of the category and rcat to see if more light can be shed on this.) – Paine 06:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another 77,119 expected. Also WP:NODEADLINE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:23, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done – In the future, Ahecht, nowiki tags are not necessary when pre tags are used. Thank you! and Best of everything to you and yours! – Paine 05:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly rendered text in TemplateData section

Hi, User:Ceyockey (the one who wrote the following wikitext from this diff in 2013) & all y'all!

Under the header Template:R to list entry#TemplateData for R to list entry, it says:

See the full documentation at
[[:Template:R_to_list_entry/doc]]
for more details.

Unlike on this page where I had to use the pre tags, the colon and that link itself are showing up as wikitext instead of a rendered wikilink.

Is there usually a reason why wikitext needs to be like this in the TemplateData section? Or was it an error? TIA for educating me and please leave it or fix it in whatever way is best. Thanks! —Geekdiva (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Geekdiva: Thanks for asking. I will need to take some time to re-visit my edits during this period to resurrect my thinking at the time. Thanks for your patience. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:23, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]