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You don't need to be a template editor to understand and fix this. In the most recent edit-diff to this template[1] curly braces were moved in several locations. In one line of the diff you will see the following change was made:

- |{{#if:{{{author|{{{2|}}}}}}|, }}''{{{title|{{{3}}}}}}''

+ |{{#if:{{{author|}}{{{2|}}}|, }}''{{{title|{{{3}}}}}}''

Notice that }}} was removed and }} inserted at the new location. One curly brace got lost. This unbalanced the markup. The effect of this damage can be seen in this RFC closure. The archive box should obviously run to the archive_bottom, however the archive box abruptly dies when it hits the damaged Quote_frame template.

The error can be corrected by adding the missing curly brace highlighted here:

|{{#if:{{{author|}}}{{{2|}}}|, }}''{{{title|{{{3}}}}}}''

Alsee (talk) 08:35, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Well spotted Alsee. -- Cabayi (talk) 12:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First line problem

If I enter this:

{{quote frame|
* first
* second
* third
}}

It works as expected:

first

second

third

But if I use the quote parameter,

{{quote frame|quote=
* first
* second
* third
}}

look what happens to the first line:

* first
second

third

Anyone know why, or how to fix it? Or a work-around, that doesn't leave a blank first line? Here's one that does... If I use the quote parameter with a <br> on the first line,

{{quote frame|quote=
<br>
* first
* second
* third
}}

it renders okay, except for an extra blank line at the top of the frame:

first

second

third

Thanks! --В²C ☎ 17:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just hit the same problem myself with a numbered list, and found the following workaround:

{{quote frame|quote=<span></span>
* first
* second
* third
}}

renders as

first

second

third

--Lord Belbury (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed after experimenting in the sandbox and the testcases page. No need for a workaround. Let me know if it causes unexpected side effects. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:51, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quick work! Looks good from here. --Lord Belbury (talk) 16:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Belbury, unfortunately one side effect I've noticed is that if an indenting character is used in front of the quote frame template (such as : or *), the quoted text no longer appears within and is moved to the next line down. You can see an example of this at WT:Review aggregators#Arbitrary break. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is normal, and I'm surprised that it ever worked. Indenting blockquotes with asterisk, hash, etc. does not work, per Template:Blockquote#Line breaks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, pinged the wrong editor above. Sorry Lord Belbury!

Jonesey95, thanks for the quick response. The problem is that I, and many others, have been doing this in countless talk page conversations over the years. It's nice to be able to indent Quote frame in talk page conversations to avoid the distraction of replies returning to the far left of the page prematurely. Going back through and checking past conversations, looks like they are all broken now. Is there any way to restore this functionality while resolving the issue above, or are we pretty much stuck at this point? Any other solutions we can think of, such as undoing the change and creating a different sub-template of Quote frame to accommodate LB's request? --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I noticed {{Talk quote block}} has indenting functionality. Is there anything we can glean from that template's configuration to use here as a workaround? --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So frustrating. Oh well, I tried, but failure is always an option. I have restored the previous functionality, and added a section copied from {{blockquote}}, "Technical issues with block templates", to the documentation. Basically, you need to add a <nowiki /> tag before a bulleted list inside this template. Why it works here with an unnamed parameter is a mystery to me. Mediawiki's handling of whitespace is endlessly entertaining. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the effort! Good to know there's a workaround at least. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Using cites

I use SFN-style cites for my work. It would be nice if there was a way to use them directly, "officially", instead of using the various source tags. For instance, |cite=^[1] Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:17, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's what |source= is for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing so stupid as a smart person.
— Mark Twain, Made up Quotations, Twain 2001

If sfn is what you want to use, you could also just put the sfn after the quotation:

There is nothing so stupid as a smart person.^[2]

Sources

Twain, Mark (2001). Collected Stuff.

References

^ Hecht 2008.
^ Twain 2001.

nowiki

The workaround given in the section "Technical issues with block templates" does not work for me. What works is to put a blank line at the beginning of the quote, with or without the nowiki. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please link to an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First, here is what you get if you use the actual "Works as intended" code from the documentation:

*Firstly, ... *Secondly, ... *Thirdly, ...

The documentation should probably be fixed so it looks more like the "FAIL" example above it, with the line breaks shown explicitly. Here is what I get if I insert the needed line breaks myself:

Firstly, ...

Secondly, ...

Thirdly, ...

But it turns out the nowiki tag doesn't do anything, it's the blank line before the list that fixes it. Here's what you get if you leave out the tag but include the blank line:

Firstly, ...

Secondly, ...

Thirdly, ...

And here is what you get if you include the tag but leave out the blank line:

*Firstly, ...
Secondly, ...

Thirdly, ...

GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. I have added "and a new line" to the documentation. It was already implied by "wikimarkup that is dependent upon a specific markup character being at the beginning of a line", but I have made it explicit. I don't know why the second example code doesn't render as code. I tried a few things but was unable to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template issues

This template has issues:

it does not support line breaks (only double line breaks get displayed)
if 'width' parameter is given, it looks weird on mobile (bot in app and browser)
it also has other, minor, issues like colouring on dark-mode

The alternative, Template:Quote box, has none of those issues, so maybe someone can have a look at how this was solved. ~ JackTheSecond (talk) 23:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTEHecht2008-1] Hecht 2008.

[FOOTNOTETwain2001-2] Twain 2001.

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