Template talk:Infobox family name

Smith
	A close-up of a blacksmith at work. Smith became a popular last name for those with this occupation.
Pronunciation	Smith
Language(s)	Anglo-Saxon
Origin
Meaning	derived from smitan meaning to smite or strike
Other names
Related names	Smit, Smithe, Smither, Smithers, Smithies, Smithy, Smyth, and Smythe

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footnotes

Footnotes are not working at the moment. I removed the old code because it was broken. Arthena^(talk) 01:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK I just inserted the footnotes field. Any correctly formatted refs will appear as superscript numbers but the entry Notes: and as full refs in the references section if it contains the proper matrkup. Rich Farmbrough, 22:19 30 August 2008 (GMT).

Family name infobox

{{Infobox family name
| name = Smith
|image= Blacksmith at work02.jpg
|image_size= 200 <!-- width in pixels -->
|caption= A close-up of a [[blacksmith]] at work.  Smith became a popular last name for those with this occupation. 
| pronunciation = Smith
| meaning = derived from smitan meaning ''to smite'' or ''strike''
| region = 
| language = [[Anglo-Saxon language|Anglo-Saxon]]
| related names = [[Smit]], [[Smithe]], [[Smither]], [[Smithers]], [[Smithies]], [[Smithy]], [[Smyth]], and [[Smythe]] 
| footnotes = <ref>http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/names_files.html</ref>
}}

References

^ http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/names_files.html

Overriding Behind the Name links

Could the creator of this template implement a new field that allows us to override the "Behind the Name" link? There is no "Behind the Name" link to Šťastný, but there is for Stastny. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 13:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I created the template, but I don't know how to make this change quickly and I am really busy right now. I will take a look at it later, but if you want to get it fixed fast, you should probably ask someone else who understands template. Remember (talk) 13:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I modified the template so that it checks for a specific name to use for the Behind the Name search. You can specify it using "search = Stastny". If the 'search' attribute is omitted then it will just use the value for 'name' as it already does. This way the templates will still work the same and nothing that currently uses this template will need fixing. I did update the template for Šťastný as mentioned above however. Quickmythril (talk) 12:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Region vs. Origin

What is the distinction between these fields? It seems like the information put in them will be very similar. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 13:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll try to change it. Remember (talk) 15:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link to "Behind the Names" website

It is inappropriate to include this link in the popularity section of the template. The statistics given are for the United States only. Worlwide stats are needed. Mister Flash (talk) 00:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strike that! Seems like for some names stats are given for other countries as well. But, it's inconsistent. See Cochrane; only US stats are given. Maybe there's a better website. Mister Flash (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger with Template:Infobox Family

I propose that Template:Family name should be merged with Template:Infobox Family.

Template:Infobox Household, Template:Infobox Surname, Template:Infobox Last name and Template:Infobox Family name already redirect to Template:Infobox Family rather than here.

The latter is described as an intricate template so I don't propose to merge it myself. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it is a good idea just because of the options like 'religion', 'ethnicity' and even 'notable members' an all that. Won't having options like that encourage people to add unverified claims about names? What do you think about that? If we do merge one thing i don't think should be moved over is the weblink to 'behindthename'. Its spam, making money off every click, and in the end it only gives the reader a short statistic. There's no reason why we can't copy-and-paste the stats from that website and cite it like another other piece of information in the article.--Celtus (talk) 08:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also disagree. Separated templates are motivated because of different functions. However, here is another note on the subject: Template talk:Infobox family. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merger -- Template:Infobox family is used to highlight a family's history and its key members, whereas Template:Infobox family name is focused more on the family's surname itself. -- Blairall (talk) 03:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger of Template:Infobox family name with Template:Infobox surname

I don't know about any of the others, but Template:Infobox family name and Template:Infobox surname should definitely be merged. They're for the same thing. The latter should not have been created, and is mostly a copy-paste of the infobox for given names, including numerous parameters that don't make sense for surnames. I don't want to just redirect it now though, because of all the transclusions. However, the name "surname" is better than "family name", because it's consistent with the articles (which all use "(Surname)" to disambiguate). McLerristarr | Mclay1 14:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, family name and surname might be different concepts, but the infoboxes have the same parameters.--Prisencolin (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the same reasons. I would advocate Template:Infobox surname as future name because of its a little bit broader defintion (with this more populated talk page replacing its destination), but the eventual future name of the template would be secondary to the merge per se. Formal proposal initiated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 August 27 comme-il-faut. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with conditional treaty for merge them the template but only in or on the one particular same article with case sensitive name or symbol. Different two or more titled articles web pages infobox can not be merge. 223.255.230.5 (talk) 21:33, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that support will only be accounted for in the process if stated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 August 27. Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Self-references

The {{lookfrom}} link was removed from {{infobox given name}} due to this discussion. I think that applies just as well here, as does another editor from that discussion. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't know this was already discussed. Anyway, I think this kind of parameters and selfrefs are unnecesary, just wanted to be sure everyone agrees :). Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 16:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it from both templates: [1] [2]. Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 16:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Cheers. :) Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motto

User:Hutcher recently added motto to the template, and gave this edit summary when adding to the documentation: "motto is an important part of some families so if they have one let's use it". I'm going to revert these edits because mottos and coat of arms are personal things, and relate to families and people. It seems to me that most surnames are used by unrelated, and unconnected people from various families, sometimes from various countries. For example, the same day Hutcher edited Gordon (name). That particular surname has numerous origins: from a placename in Scotland; a placename in France; an Anglicised form of an Irish language surname; a Jewish surnaname derived from a placename in Lithuania; numerous places in Spain; and also from a Spanish nickname [3]. Lots of different families, from different cultures, have that particular surname. Lots of different family symbols. We've got a clan infobox for Scottish clans that includes the mottoes of the chief. Maybe the family infobox should include something like that. But I think that this template should stick to the name specifically. Less confusion that way. A surname and a family are not the same thing.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Extra images?

Can this be modified to accomodate more than one image, say an extra coat of arms for a branch?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

nolinklanguage property

from what i've tried, i can't get the nolinklanguage property to work, i guess it's code is broken in some way. as an example, check Berlinsky - there's info on multiple origin languages, yet the infobox will display only with automatic linking. hæ_reply 09:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name in italics

I can't see any reason why the template should emit the paramater |name= in italics? I suggest to remove the code "|abovestyle=font-style:italic". Furthermore, labelling that name as "Family name" seems unnecessary because this template is only used on pages about family names; "|subheader=Family name" should be removed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

nolinklanguage parameter

The nolinklanguage parameter explanation needs to be rewritten. As it stands, I cannot understand what it is for ("Use this to avoid having automatic links on the language—also allows to give several languages").

automatic links on the language – what are "automatic links"? What "language" is meant?
allows to give several languages – what does this mean? — O'Dea (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If this infobox includes an parameter |language=foo, that term will automatically be linked, resulting in [[foo]] = foo. If the entry consists of more than 1 language, e.g. |language=foo, bar, the automatic linking will produce an invalid link: [[foo, bar]] = foo, bar. In that case, or if a link to the single language entry is unwanted (and I suggest it almost always is), using |nolinklanguage=yes will prevent linking. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; I understood that after moving my lips while reading it! I have adjusted the documentation of the template based on your explanation. I hope it increases clarity. — O'Dea (talk) 17:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

I suggest that the automatic Wikilinking of values in the language parameter be removed, and the corresponding nolinklanguage parameter be removed, too. If people wish to link to a language article, is it trivially easy to do so using square brackets, and there are language articles that cannot be linked to directly simply by entering the language names. The articles for the German and Irish languages, for example, are German language and Irish language, not "German" and "Irish". The automatic Wikilinking and corresponding nolinklanguage parameter complicate the infobox unnecessarily, causing potential puzzlement to first-time users as I experienced when I read the original documentation, and they provide such an utterly minor and trivial service to the editor in return. — O'Dea (talk) 17:16, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]