Template talk:FJC Bio

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Values from instances of this template have been copied to Wikidata, and transclusions in external links sections have had the migrated values removed. No changes to visible article text were made. If the template has a name parameter, that may also have been removed, making use of {{PAGENAMEBASE}} instead. (20 September 2016)

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Edit request from Lincolnite, 30 March 2010

{{editprotected}} The Federal Judicial Center's URLs have changed and this template now links to a 404 page.

The current text (that needs removing) is as follows:
FJC Bio at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges, a public domain publication of the Federal Judicial Center.

It needs replacing with:
FJC Bio at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges, a public domain publication of the Federal Judicial Center.

Lincolnite (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Lincolnite, 21 December 2010

{{edit protected}} Please replace the following under "Example". The FJC changed its URLs a fair while back and, while the template was amended accordingly (in response to my request), the documentation page was not.

John Joseph Gibbons's biography is at http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=844
needs to be replaced with
John Joseph Gibbons's biography is at http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=844&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na

The two examples shown below need their links updating accordingly. Lincolnite (talk) 14:58, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The documentation is held at Template:FJC Bio/doc and not protected, so please make these changes yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Revamped site

The FJC website has been completely redesigned, so the FJC Bio template for any judge no longer works. Judges aren't categorized by an ID number. Is there a way to fix the template to include the new changes? Snickers2686 (talk) 16:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've put in place a temoporary fix, using the Wayback machine. However all the URLs have changed, so a permanent fix won't be easy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John Joseph Gibbons

https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/gibbons-john-joseph -or-
https://www.fjc.gov/node/1381166
{{FJC Bio|844|nid=1381166}}: FJC Bio at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges, a publication of the Federal Judicial Center.
{{FJC Bio|nid=1381166}}: FJC Bio at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges, a publication of the Federal Judicial Center. – 844 is obsolete and no longer necessary. wbm1058 (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

...Well, I found this template and basically wondered why it was pulling wayback urls, and this 2-year-old section answers it. I found out this template was having issues when I found the status of the Template:FJC Bio transclusion on George A. O'Toole, Jr.. Seems that Wikidata has been updated to start using the "surname-given name" format at the end of the "new" URLs. (See here; using the old numbering format caused a syntax error on Wikidata.) Is/has there been any progress made to bring that functionality to the English Wikipedia? Steel1943 (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Steel1943, Pigsonthewing, and wbm1058, I just came across this template as well. The lack of any documentation about how to fetch an ID number is definitely a big problem. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that was painful. I managed to find the ID by viewing the page source (ctrl+u on Chrome), searching for https://www.fjc.gov/node/, and fetching the number after it. Even then, to get this template to work on the page I want it to (a list page, not a bio page), I had to figure out that there was an undocumented |name= parameter. All in all, it took about 100x as long as it would've if I'd just use normal citations. Not a shining success story of templates making our lives easier. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion to CS1

Well, I thought my troubles with this template were done after the above, but it seems not. To get an article to featured status, the citations need retrieval dates. However, because this template doesn't use a standard citation template, I can't just add it simply like was done at Template:Biographical Directory of Congress. I'm adding a hacked-together |access-date= parameter, but it's not ideal, as it doesn't respect date formats unless the additional |date-format= is specified. I think this underlines the need to modernize this template, which should include conversion to CS1 alongside solving the ID issues from above and everything else. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this template is not meant to be used as a citation template, so scratch all that, as well as the PD comment below. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Public domain"

I propose to remove "public domain" from this template. It's really not necessary to call out the copyright status of the publication; it's assumed to be freely accessible unless it has an icon, and that's all that's needed. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdkb: the text of the template makes the simple assertion that the source is in the public domain. But the template emits the category Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. So which is it? Does this template try to say that the source was consulted and it happens to be in the public domain, or that text was copied verbatim from the source? The documentation, wording, and categorization should be in agreement and crystal clear about this sort of thing. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is an odd category to be added by default, given that the template itself just creates an external link. I would keep the template wording as is and modify the category. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]