Template talk:Country data Thailand

Template-protected edit request on 21 March 2016

Please add the following below existing aliases to help complete the merge of {{FlagThaiProvinces}} as per this TfD. These aliases are the flags of each province within Thailand.

| flag alias-KBI = Krabiflag.jpg
| flag alias-BKK = Flag of Bangkok.svg
| flag alias-KRI = Kanchanaburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-KSN = Kalasinflag.jpg
| flag alias-KPT = KamphaengPhetHTML.gif
| flag alias-KKN = KhonKaenflag.jpg
| flag alias-CTI = Chanthaburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-CCO = Chachoengsaoflag.jpg
| flag alias-CBI = Chonburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-CNT = Chainatflag.jpg
| flag alias-CPM = Chaiyaphumflag.jpg
| flag alias-CPN = Chumphonflag.jpg
| flag alias-CRI = Flag of Chiang Rai.gif
| flag alias-CMI = ChiangMaiflag.jpg
| flag alias-TRG = Trangflag.jpg
| flag alias-TRT = Tratflag.jpg
| flag alias-TAK = Takflag.jpg
| flag alias-NYK = NakhonNayokflag.jpg
| flag alias-NPT = NakhonPathomflag.jpg
| flag alias-NPM = NakhonPhanomflag.jpg
| flag alias-NMA = NakhonRatchasimaflag.jpg
| flag alias-NRT = NakhonSiThammaratflag.jpg
| flag alias-NSN = NakhonSawanflag.jpg
| flag alias-NBI = Nonthaburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-NWT = Narathiwatflag.jpg
| flag alias-NAN = Nanflag.jpg
| flag alias-BKN = BuengKanflag.jpg
| flag alias-BRM = Buriramflag.jpg
| flag alias-PTE = PathumThaniflag.jpg
| flag alias-PKN = PrachuapKhiriKhanflag.png
| flag alias-PRI = Phrachinburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-PTN = Flag of Pattani.png
| flag alias-PYO = Phayeoflag.jpg
| flag alias-AYA = PhraNakhonSiAyutthayaflag.jpg
| flag alias-PNA = PhangNgaflag.jpg
| flag alias-PLG = Phatthalungflag.jpg
| flag alias-PCT = Phichitflag.jpg
| flag alias-PLK = Phitsanulokflag.jpg
| flag alias-PBI = Phetchaburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-PNB = Phetchabunflag.jpg
| flag alias-PRE = Phraeflag.jpg
| flag alias-PKT = Phuketflag.jpg
| flag alias-MKM = MahaSarakhamflag.jpg
| flag alias-MDH = Mukdahanflag.jpg
| flag alias-MSN = MaeHongSonflag.jpg
| flag alias-YST = Yasothonflag.jpg
| flag alias-YLA = Yalaflag.jpg
| flag alias-RET = RoiEtflag.jpg
| flag alias-RNG = Ranongflag.jpg
| flag alias-RYG = Rayongflag.jpg
| flag alias-RBR = Ratchaburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-LRI = Lopburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-LPG = Lampangflag.jpg
| flag alias-LPN = Lumphunflag.jpg
| flag alias-LEI = Loeiflag.jpg
| flag alias-SSK = Sisaketflag.jpg
| flag alias-SNK = SakonNakhonflag.jpg
| flag alias-SKA = Songkhlaflag.jpg
| flag alias-STN = Satunflag.jpg
| flag alias-SPK = SamutPrakan.jpg
| flag alias-SKM = SamutSongkhram.jpg
| flag alias-SKN = SamutSakhon.jpg
| flag alias-SKW = SaKaeoflag.png
| flag alias-SRI = Saraburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-SBR = Singburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-STI = Sukhothaiflag.jpg
| flag alias-SPB = Suphanburiflag.jpg
| flag alias-SNI = SuratThaniflag.jpg
| flag alias-SRN = Surinflag.jpg
| flag alias-NKI = NongKhaiflag.jpg
| flag alias-NBP = NongBuaLamphuflag.jpg
| flag alias-ATG = AngThongflag.jpg
| flag alias-ACR = AmnatCharoenflag.png
| flag alias-UDN = Udonthaniflag.jpg
| flag alias-UTT = Uttaraditflag.jpg
| flag alias-UTI = UthaiThaniflag.jpg
| flag alias-UBN = UbonRatchathaniflag.jpg

~ Rob^Talk 18:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Won't work, as {{flag|Thailand|foo}} links to the main article Thailand regardless of the variant used. A separate country data template would have to be created for each province. I could do that en masse with AWB. SiBr₄ (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

In fact, template creator BTechTV has already created some of the templates, with newly uploaded files (most of the files given above were deleted last December). See Category:Country data templates of subdivisions of Thailand. SiBr₄ (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@SiBr4: The issue of linking could be fixed with link parameters, but the deletions of public domain materials are unfortunate. I'll have to go back to TfD with this one; this might just be a deletion now if the images are no longer worthwhile. ~ Rob^Talk 18:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The flag files have since been reuploaded locally (Special:ListFiles/BTechTV). It turns out data templates also already exist for all of the provinces; it's just that most are in Category:Country data templates of Thailand instead of the subdivisions subcategory (going to move them now). SiBr₄ (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, all the weirder that this TfD decision is what it is. Oh well, less work for me! Thanks for clarifying. ~ Rob^Talk 19:06, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Seven of the files above do actually exist: File:Flag of Pattani.png File:SamutPrakan.jpg File:SamutSongkhram.jpg File:SamutSakhon.jpg. All images {{FlagThaiProvinces}} originally used have been deleted, but PC-XT replaced some with existing files prior to nominating the template. At the time of the TfD close only four of the data templates existed (Bangkok and the three I mentioned in the TfD); the others were only created last week.

Comparing the list of templates with the list of provinces, it seems only A through S have been done so far; the alphabetically last seventeen provinces (starting with Satun) have neither flag files nor templates. All provinces with a known flag image already have a template, though. SiBr₄ (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I listed all the files in my sandbox and double-checked that all the existing images have templates already (which they do). I suppose someone could go out and create the rest of the country data templates (finding new images on the Commons, etc), but that's just as much work with or without {{FlagThaiProvinces}}, so it goes beyond the TfD process. ~ Rob^Talk 21:55, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 January 2019

Remove:
flag alias-1917=Flag of Thailand (TIS 982 draft standard).svg
flag alias-1939=Flag of Thailand (TIS 982 draft standard).svg
flag alias-2000=Flag of Thailand (WFB 2000).svg
flag alias-2004=Flag of Thailand (WFB 2004).svg
flag alias-2011=Flag of Thailand (TIS 982 draft standard).svg
flag alias-2013=Flag of Thailand (WFB 2013).svg
and
var7 = 1917
var8 = 1939
var9 = 2000
var10 = 2004
var11 = 2011
var12 = 2013
These flags are just based on the shades used in pictures in different editions of the CIA World Factbook and are not official or even real changes to the flag used by Thailand, they should not be included and especially not linked to specific years as historical variants
Havsjö (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Seconded. Their inclusion in the template is erroneous and misleading. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Due to the discussion below, I also added the TIS 982 1917 version in the list of aliases that should be removed Note that anything using these aliases will revert to the default thai-flag and will thus not break anything--Havsjö (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

TIS982 vs Flag of Thailand?

In 2017 the Thai government standardised on colour definitions for the flag, which are currently used in the Flag of Thailand.svg

. These colours are based on samples from historical flags, meaning they are not "new colours" after the standardization, but are the same as theyve always have been. This is also why the older thai flags such as the red elephant flag

has been changed to match these colours
However, there exists the slightly brighter TIS982 variant

, which "should be" the same colours as the current one for the reasons stated, however its colours are based on actual histrocial specifications, as seen here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110928180525if_/http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/apgts/siamflag/trirong_color_problem/doc5_web.jpg
So even though the current one is supposed to cover the Thai flag from its adoption in 1917 until today, this is technically a historical variant with older colour specifications prior to the 2017 standardization. I do therefore feel that it should remain in the template as is, covering the flags appearance from 1917 to the new standards in 2017. This is also why I have not included this one in my request of the removal of the objectively fake flags above.
flag alias-1917 =Flag of Thailand (TIS 982 draft standard).svg
(This can be the only flag considered a real "version" of the current flag as the others variants since 1917 are objectively "fake" as they are just based on the shades used in pictures in different editions of the CIA World Factbook and are not official or even real changes to the flag used by Thailand, they should not be included and especially not linked to specific years as historical variants, which I have requested for deletion above)

Any opinions on the validity of the continued use of the TIS982 though?
--Havsjö (talk) 10:23, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

The TIS draft was never finalised nor officially adopted, so it should be disregarded. I understand that the committee that came up with the draft later decided that an industrial standard wasn't the best way to announce the colours, and so abandoned the draft and formed it into the 2017 law instead. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 20 January 2019

Request removing the following line

| flag alias-naval-1917 = Naval ensign of Thailand (1917–2017).svg

for the same reason as #Template-protected edit request on 8 January 2019, above. Paul_012 (talk) 20:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello! Can you create a sandbox template for this template with all variants and so on.

. Yours sincerely, Sondre --62.73.207.204 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done See Template:Country data Vietnam/sandbox Run n Fly (talk) 15:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:Navy displays naval ensign flag from Template:Naval instead of navy flag as shown in the template documentation

The flag icon displayed when using {{navy|Thailand}} should be a blue navy flag as shown in Military ensigns section. But instead it displays the elephant naval ensign flag that you will get from {{naval|Thailand}}.

It is strange that this wrong flag issue only happens with {{navy|Thailand}}, while {{flagicon|Thailand|navy}} displays the correct flag.

{{navy|Thailand}} ⇒ Royal Thai Navy

{{flagicon|Thailand|navy}} ⇒

Is there a way to fix this? Aithus (talk) 02:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The central Template:Navy/core which is used by {{navy}} appears to pull the flag values for naval instead of navy the documentation says it's supposed to. The issue should probably be raised at WT:WikiProject Flag Template. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, you can work around the issue by using {{navy|Thailand|navy}}. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Paul 012: Thank you for raising the issue there for me. I couldn't have written such a descriptive diagnosis due to my ignorance of the underlying mechanism. Thanks for the workaround as well. Aithus (talk) 11:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Navy displays the naval ensign (same as national flag in some countries), Naval dispalys the Navy flag. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I've amended the examples section of {{Navy}} to show the correct code to use. Useages of {{navy|Thailand}} will still need to be changed to {{navy|Thailand|navy}} to show the correct flag. Mjroots (talk) 08:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Illegitimate Barrister: Thank you for your clarification. I'm still a bit perplexed that we need to say navy to show naval ensign, and say naval to show navy flag. But I'm not a vexillologist so I will follow your guidance. Also thanks to @Mjroots: for amending the example so editors will know the correct syntax to use. Aithus (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Mjroots, the auto-generated documentation at Template:Country data Thailand still says that the input {{navy|Thailand}} should generate Royal Thai Navy, which it doesn't. Do you know how to fix this? --Paul_012 (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Paul 012: Sorry, that sort of stuff is beyond my capabilities. At least with the example given people will know the correct code to use. Mjroots (talk) 12:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

That said, it seems on the face of it that if we were to swap the flag labels "navy" and "naval" around, that would cure the issue of {{navy|Thailand}} not displaying the correct flag. If we were to do this, all uses of the template would need to be checked and amended if necessary. Mjroots (talk) 12:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Aithus: - You're right, it should be the other way around but "Navy" came first so switching it would require a lot of coding work so it is the way it is at the moment because of that. Cheers. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

To editors Aithus and Mjroots: you are welcome to read and to join the centralized discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template#Template:Navy doesn't display navy flag as the documentation says it's supposed to. Thank you for your help in this matter! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 21:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Football

Paul_012, please add the following:
| flag alias-sanctionedFB = File:THA AFF 2020.png = Flag/symbol use to represent the Thailand national football team at the 2020 AFF Suzuki Cup, since what they are bared from using their national flag due to WADA sanctions. The same system is used in Template:Country data Russia. ManiacOfSport (talk) 15:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

ManiacOfSport, I'm not a template editor so I can't help with that, but I'll place the edit request template for you. Also, a ping won't work if you add it in a later edit. See Help:Notifications for details. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Pppery; If you wish you can change the flag alias from sanctionedFB to AFF2020. ManiacOfSport (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)