Template talk:Cite QHR

Obsolete

I'm not sure if CHIMS is available anymore. The template isn't working at the moment and probably is no longer valid. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, they have changed the URL again. It was https://www.derm.qld.gov.au/chimsi/placeDetail.html?siteId= but is now https://heritage-register.ehp.qld.gov.au/placeDetail.html?siteId= I'll try to update it.Kerry (talk) 01:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, the template works as far as the URL is concerned. But there's still the issue of referring to CHIMS (not mentioned on the current site but may well still be the software under the hood). Also it's not the Environmental Protection Agency any more that maintains the heritage register but the Department of Environment and Heritage Protection. Unfortunately these government departments seem to change names and reponsibilities pretty frequently making it hard to keep this template and the link to the WP article on that department up to date. Given that it is the Queensland Heritage Council who decide what goes on the register and the department is just the "secretariat", perhaps it is better to list the heritage council in the template (as it is a statutory body less likely to experience a name change than a govt department. Open for comment. If I don't hear anything against it, I think I will remove the "CHIMS" word and make the publisher the heritage council not the department. Kerry (talk) 01:20, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

In the absence of any objection (or indeed any comment whatsoever), I have updated the template to make Queensland Heritage Council the publisher and removed the mentions of CHIMS. That all seems to be working. The remaining problem is that the templates is still called CHIMS which doesn't seem terribly appropriate. Maybe something like QHR would be a better name for entries in the Queensland Heritage Register but I don't know how easy it is to change a template name and update all the references. Open to advice? Kerry (talk) 23:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I can't give advice for changing names of templates except QHR sounds reasonable. I did want to say thanks for working on this and related articles. - Shiftchange (talk) 02:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Having read some of the documentation, I *think* it's just a move like a page move, but it's not clear if some kind of redirect is left behind. But I'm talking to some folks this afternoon who probably know, so I will check before I go any further. Nice to know I am not just talking to myself here :-) Kerry (talk) 05:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Anchor

I've just been using this template on List of dedications to Edith Cavell and have noticed that it produces an anchor, which is not documented. For reasons which I do not understand however, it introduces and underscore: CITEREFQHR_16639 for example. This conflicts with {{sfn}} which expects CITEREFQHR16639. for the moment I've used {{sfn|QHR|_16639}} but it could do with a tweak when someone gets the chance. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 12:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

There's things this template does that I don't understand and that stuff is among them. Recently I've updated some things so the citations appear OK in articles. Very happy for you to fix them if you know more about them. Kerry (talk)

Changes in the numbering system and website

It appears that at some point this month the Queensland Heritage Register website has been changed. For this template, there were two problems created

• the base URL has changed (easily fixed)
• the numbering system has changed from the old entry number in the CHIMS database to the QHR entry reference number which affects the construction of the URL

Until this month (July 2015), the URL requires the old number and the original template used only that number. In anticipation of a possible switch to the use of reference numbers for constructing the URL, I added both numbers into the template and have tried myself to provide both. However, other people's use of the template is likely to be missing the important reference number. As it is a tedious manual task to add in the reference number, I have allowed the template to land the reader using a citation without the reference number into the main search page for the QHR from which they can lookup the entry by name. Not marvellous but not too badly broken as dropping them onto an Error 404 or similar. I will try to manually update the old format citations as I find them. Kerry (talk) 06:36, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: should the documentation page be moved as well? Stickee (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I have now finished updating all uses of this template to use the reference numbers. I have retained the old IDs in the template; currently they have no use, but I have retained them just in case they are needed again at some future point (who knows how the website might change again). Fortunately I managed to come up with a way to generate 100s of substitutions as an AWB script and that allowed me to semi-automate the updating of the templates with the new reference number in the majority of cases that had a standard format. The non-standand ones (around 150 of them) I had to fix manually - a painful way to spend my afternoon. The updating required the temporary use of a second template: Cite QHR for those using the old format and Cite QHR2015 for those using the new format. Now that all the old format ones have been updated to the post-July 2015 format, I have restored them all to use Cite QHR and Cite QHR2015 is now deprecated (redirects to Cite QHR) and will be deleted. If anyone spots any problems with the QHR citaitons, please let me know. Kerry (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Stickee: Cite QHR2015 was just a transitory template which should hopefully disappear soon. Kerry (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)