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14 May additions to the persons list

A number of recent additions to the associated people list should be removed. It's not at all clear why people such as Edsel Ford or Alfred Salon were added to this list. Ford's article makes no mention of anything related to antisemitism and the connection at Salon is weak as well. I have similar concerns with a number of the other recent additions. Springee (talk) 14:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. And there is even less justification for the addition of Che Guevara and Enver Hoxha. I have also removed these undue and undiscussed additions. RolandR (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I feel the list is a bit arbitrary. I'm not sure the following are sufficiently prominent and/or prominent as antisemites, to be included: Baked Alaska, Arthur J. Jones, Ernest G. Liebold, Rick Wiles, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, Horia Sima, A. C. Cuza, Octavian Goga, Gheorghe Buzatu, Nae Ionescu, Nichifor Crainic, Ioan Slavici, Revilo P. Oliver. It feels a bit presentist and US-centric: I'm not sure so many US right-wing activists should be listed, but I'm not sure which count as the most prominent. On the other hand, I would propose adding Heinrich von Treitschke, Wilhelm Marr, Richard Wagner, Karl Lueger, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, Charles Maurras. BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I also removed Revilo P. Oliver as our article on him doesn't have a citation for claim he was antisemitic, and he's not notable in a history of antisemitism. We need to make the list less arbitrary. Any thoughts? BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree, though it might be tricky, as this is not something for which I anticipate clear inclusion criteria. A simple if insufficient exclusion criteria would be: "the theme of antisemitism must be a significant portion of the subject's article". This was our explanation for excluding several subjects, and I think it is quite reasonable. Freelance-frank (talk) 12:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Good suggestion Freelance-frank. I think that works well. BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

But also we'd need to be confident the figure was prominent enough (as well as notable for antisemitism enough) for inclusion. I'd suggest a metric might be something like: are they mentioned on the main antisemitism page or is there a good reason to think they could be. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• I also noticed that Stepan Bandera was included. Yes, he held anti-Russian, anti-Polish and yes, antisemitic views. But was he notable specifically for his antisemitism? My understanding that the answer is "no". My very best wishes (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I double checked sources, and it indeed appears that the OUN was notable primarily for anti-Polish (and also anti-Russian) sentiment. Sure, most of the guys in this organization, possibly including Bandera, were also antisemites, but that was not something they primarily known for. Given no objections so far, I am going to remove it. My very best wishes (talk) 00:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)