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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 14:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Tamurbek Dawletschin

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Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 248 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 23:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC).

  • I will review this nomination in the coming week! WatkynBassett (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  • The article was created on 10 August 2024‎ and nominated on the same day. It is thus eligible.
  • The article is sourced. I did some spot checks and the references checked out.
  • The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
  • Earwig did not pick up anything noteworthy.
  • QPQ done.
  • Hook review: I generally like the hook but I think it needs some further improvement:
    • Which is the source you think best states the fact that just a few memoirs of Soviet POW in German captivity exist?
    • Additionally two tweaks are necessary in my opinion: I think we cannot state that he "published" his memoir because it was published posthumously. Also, I did not find a source that sees this memoir as dealing with the deaths of 3 million POW.
    • So maybe you can think of a rephrasing of the hook that only claims that he wrote the memoir and that it is one of the few memoirs of a Soviet POW in German captivity?
    • If the issues concerning the hook are addressed I will gladly approve this nomination. Thank you for creating valuable free knowledge! WatkynBassett (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing. If you need another source for it, Gerlach says, "Unfortunately, few POW accounts were ever published". The book explicitly covers "das Sterben der Kameraden", the three million figure is given in the hook as it contrasts the scale of the atrocity to the lack of sources and memoirs about it. (t · c) buidhe 02:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
    • I must apologize for coming back to this so late; my life currently is a bit disorderly. I appreciate the cite; I think this first issue is fixed now. Nevertheless, I am still not convinced that we can say in wikivoice that the work is about the deaths of 3 million Soviet prisoners of war in German captivity - because this is not contained in any source. Would it therefore not be better to rephrase your hook in a way that highlights that Dawletschin wrote one of the only memoirs of the nearly six million Soviet prisoners of war, of which more than 3 million died? Sorry for the quibbling. WatkynBassett (talk) 05:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
    • @Buidhe: Ping to make sure that you have not missed my answer. Best wishes! WatkynBassett (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Tamurbek Dawletschin wrote one of the only memoirs by a Soviet prisoner of war, of whom 3 million died in German captivity?

WatkynBassett (t · c) buidhe 19:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)


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