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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:29, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Sonja Vectomov

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Sonja Vectomov
Sonja Vectomov

Created/expanded by Swmmng (talk). Self-nominated at 09:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment: I'm pretty sure lampron and phrenia are Greek, not Latin. Also, the gap between article creation (November 14) and nomination (December 4) is much longer than is usually allowed. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 01:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Good point. In the above citation, Hanna Räty mentions New Latin (albeit deriving from Greek). And true, the article creation / nomination gap is progressive.—Swmmng (talk) 08:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • There is a major problem with both hooks, and that is that the claim that lamprophenia is both a neologism and was coined by Vectomov does not appear in the article. Facts in the hook must be both in the article and in the inline sources cited. I've struck the first, since Latin appears to be incorrect, and the article now says Greek. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
  • There has been no response despite talk-page pings; giving nominator seven days to respond. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:53, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Directly under the headline of the supportive article is a subtitle that states, "He Vectomovin keksimä latinalainen uudissana, Joka tarkoittaa kirkasta mieltä." (The New Latin neologism coined by Vectomov means clear mind.) Please note that, in Finnish, uudissana means neologism, and keksimä means coined by. Thus, we learn that lamprophenia is both a neologism and was coined by Vectomov. In my view, the problem with ALT1 is that the source asserts that Vectomov's neologism derives from New Latin, a language embracing Latin and Greek, yet etymologically the components are Greek. As a hook mustn't delve beyond its source, I somewhat dispiritedly recommend the following.—Swmmng (talk) 09:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Or, as contained within the source's New Latin assertion is an understanding that a touch of cannibalised Greek may be involved:

  • Full review needed now that hooks have been set. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Incorporate the basic facts in the infobox into the article please (DOB, university etc). Johnbod (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Done.—Swmmng (talk) 10:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Use a Greek dictionary as a source to confirm that the words are Greek. That would be a much more reliable source than a popular article. They are not at all Latin except in the sense that they may have been used as loanwords in Latin. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 18:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Indeed they are Greek words, and yet the unscholarly source is also correct that they are New Latin—not at all Latin—words, albeit borrowed from Greek. The quandary is whether or not the hook must limit itself to the source. Adding a Greek dictionary as a second source would be a sound solution, though for the casual DYK reader Merriam-Webster might prove a bit more manageable.—Swmmng (talk) 19:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Though Merriam-Webster's page for phrenia is freely available, their page for lampro sometimes appears but usually redirects to M-W's unabridged sales dept. Searching for another dictionary...—Swmmng (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Long enough, no copyvios. QPQ review is not necessary until you have five DYK credits, after which you will have to review someone else's nomination. As I noted above, the three-week gap between creation and nomination is much longer than the 7-day limit, but I'm going to let it slide this time. The first paragraph of the "Career" section does need a reference.
AGF on the hook fact based on the above conversation being that the source is in Finnish. I made a few small changes to ALT5's links. This seems like a rare occasion where it's appropriate to link to Wiktionary, which Rule E4 indicates is permissible. I also added that it was the title of her album so that there is some context. I also think it's sufficient to say the words are Greek, since that's what the dictionary etymologies say.
I have concerns about the image licensing, which is a formal publicity photograph. Swmmg, did you take the photograph yourself, or did you get it from the web?
Thanks for the submission; this just needs the extra ref and the image licensing worked out, and this will pass. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 08:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the "Career" section is now well-sourced, I think. Your changes to ALT5 are excellent, Antony-22, especially the Greek Wiktionary solution—thanks very much indeed. I took the photo myself—it does not appear anywhere else. Many thanks for your help.—Swmmng (talk) 17:28, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Referencing looks good. Just to confirm, you are the picture's copyright holder? (I'm not sure if they have this in Finland, but in the U.S. if it is a "work made for hire" then the person who paid for the photograph is the copyright holder rather than the photographer. Sorry for asking again, I'm just trying to be cautious about licensing.) Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I shot the photo—on my own volition, not for hire—in Czech Republic. Always good to be cautious about licensing.—Swmmng (talk) 09:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience. ALT5 is good to go! Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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