Template:Did you know nominations/Sermon on the Mound

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Sermon on the Mound

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• ... that the Sermon on the Mound was an address made by Margaret Thatcher to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1988? Source: "The Margaret Thatcher Foundation" ([1])
  • ALT1:... that the Sermon on the Mound was a speech in which Margaret Thatcher offered a theological justification for capitalism and the market economy? Source: "Crossley, James G. (2014). "'Your Arms are Just Too Short to Box with God': Margaret Thatcher's Neoliberal Bible". Harnessing Chaos: The Bible in English Political Discourse Since 1968. London: Bloomsbury T & T Clark. pp. 95–126"

• Comment: This is my first attempt at DYK - please be patient! :-)

Improved to Good Article status by Doric Loon (talk). Self-nominated at 07:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC).

Interesting speech and reception, fine GA on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Welcome to DYK! I think that in hook and article, we need to clarify that the title is a nickname. Quotation marks, as in one of the headlines, might be the easiest way. Both hooks are correct, but I believe it would be more "hooky" saying that she claimed it was her speech with the most copy requests. Would you like to try, Doric Loon? - In the article, I tried to fix a link to ref Raban, please check, but couldn't find ref Torrence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for your kind words. Thanks also for correcting the Raban error. The Torrence article seems to have been taken off-line, but it was originally a print source, so it should still be citable. I have simply deleted the URL. Good idea about the hook. How about:

ALT2:... that Margaret Thatcher's office received more requests from around the world for the text of the "Sermon on the Mound" than for any other speech? --Doric Loon (talk) 09:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Doric Loon! may I suggest an

ALT3: ... that Margaret Thatcher had to wait while a series of parish ministers objected before she could give her "Sermon on the Mound"?

Comment: Several paragraphs are unsourced—Gerda, I think this would need to be addressed first? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, and the check. In a GA, I am surprised. I hope Doric Loon can fix that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I think you're referring to the "Background" section which I expanded in the last week (i.e. it's new since GA); I've added some references there now. If there is anything else you think needs referenced, maybe you could add a citation-needed tag at the relevant place in the article text, and I will deal with it at once. Thanks. Doric Loon (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks! I added some cn tags, we should have addressed the sourcing requirement after that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: OK, I've dealt with those. However, all three of them were quotes from the speech itself, so all I could do in those three cases was repeat the reference to the text. I'm grateful for all suggested improvements. Doric Loon (talk) 11:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

• @Doric Loon: gotcha. I'm not the reviewer on your nom, so once Gerda comes back, you should be close. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 16:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

  I left 2 to choose from, - thank you two! I fixed 2 ref calls. Doric Loon, I recommend you keep this watched until closed, and then watch WP:DYKQ where it will be prepared for the Main page and placed in a queue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Thanks Gerda! Small correction to Doric Loon, though, watching WP:DYKQ won't help you in terms of finding your hook—you're going to want to wait until this nomination is closed by the promoter, they'll usually leave a note as to which prep set they put it in (the prep sets can be found at WP:DYKQ, it's just that putting it on your watchlist probably wouldn't help). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

    All fine, but I said then, saying - at least I tried - that after the nom is closed it would be useful to watch the queue. This is general, - not all promoters tell the nominator so well what they do. I've seen unhappy people who had not noticed until Main page credit that their hook had been changed, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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