Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Palaiologos Tagaris

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Paul Palaiologos Tagaris

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... that Paul Palaiologos Tagaris was a Byzantine Greek monk and impostor, who at one point claimed to be Patriarch of Jerusalem, and eventually managed to become Latin Patriarch of Constantinople?

ALT1:... that although he had been deposed from his post as Latin Patriarch of Constantinople, Paul Palaiologos Tagaris crowned James of Lusignan as King of Cyprus for 30,000 gold pieces?
Reviewed: Zhuangzi (book)

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nominated at 10:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

Impressive story! So impressive, in fact, that I had to make sure it was not a hoax, Cplakidas's credentials notwithstanding! :) The article is new and long enough, and very well sourced. Both hook facts are followed by inline citations, so both are acceptable. I find both equally intriguing, but the first one would be my favourite if you managed to make it clear that he was an Orthodox monk claiming to be an Orthodox patriarch who was later named a Catholic patriarch by a pope. Surtsicna (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed an amazing story, of the kind one would have difficulty finding plausible if read in a work of fiction. As Nicol comments, while saints' lives are two-a-penny, sinners' lives are harder to come by, and this guy was definitely "an accomplished sinner". Your comments are correct, but my efforts to introduce this distinction run foul of length requirements. How about this then: ALT2: ... that Paul Palaiologos Tagaris was an Orthodox monk and impostor, who at one point claimed to be the Patriarch of Jerusalem, and even managed to be named Latin Patriarch of Constantinople by the Pope? Constantine ✍ 19:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That sounds good, and it's just under the size limit. I hope this sinner attracts enough attention. Surtsicna (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Did you also check the article for neutrality and close paraphrasing? Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The article does not appear to be advancing any POV. I did try looking up the most frequently cited source, but it does not appear to be online. The only online source is in French, and the article is definitely not a word-to-word translation. Surtsicna (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Please reinstate the tick, although if it's a foreign-language or offline source, you should use the gray AGF tick. Yoninah (talk) 09:32, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I didn't know that, though it makes sense. Thanks! Surtsicna (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- No, that is not correct. AGF is for sources you could not check. If you check a foreign-language source, use the regular tick. More importantly, do you want to use the main or ALT hook? Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I think ALT2 is the one Surtsicna and I both agree is better. Constantine ✍ 09:00, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
The French language source is the only one I could check. Does that mean that both ticks should be used? I agree with Cplakids regarding hook choice. Surtsicna (talk) 11:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)