Template:Did you know nominations/Nicholas Muellner
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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Nicholas Muellner
[edit]- ... that American photographer Nicholas Muellner once took a train across Soviet Russia? Source: "In the summer of 1990, ... I used a student travel grant to photograph my journey by rail from Moscow to Khabarovsk." ("Amnesia Pavilions")
- ALT1:... that Nicholas Muellner was inspired to photograph acquaintances in Russia while in the Caribbean? Source: " ... when I began corresponding with several gay men in Crimea, on the unwitting verge of Russian invasion, a web of sudden possibility emerged. In my unfinished island fiction, I had attributed a dream of my own—almost unaltered—to the primary character, in the form of a bedtime story: the vision of an “almost-island” where beautiful men nurtured and murdered narrative. I suspected that the Crimean Peninsula was that almost-island, and that I needed to find those men." (Interview with Aperture magazine)
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- Comment: I've taken TNT to this BLP, whose previous version was just a copyvio of this unreliable source. I wasn't sure if it was better to categorize it as a 5x expansion or a 2x expanded and sourced BLP. The previous version did have 3 sources listed, but it was almost entirely copy-pasted from the one I mentioned.
5x expanded by Armadillopteryx (talk). Self-nominated at 01:06, 26 February 2018 (UTC).
I don't think this article qualifies under the 2x unreferenced BLP expansion as, even though it had copyvios, it did have some references. On the face of it, it does not qualify under the 5x expansion rule either, because it has been expanded from 1064 B to 4724 B. However, investigating with Earwig I find that you had removed the copyvio and started the expansion in a single edit and I reckon it is therefore long enough. The article is neutral and free from copyright problems, and a QPQ has been done. I don't find either of the proposed hooks inspiring. Travelling across Russia by train is not unusual (tourists do it all the time on the Trans-Siberian railway) and ALT1 is a bit confusing, perhaps the phrase about the Caribbean could come earlier in the sentence. Otherwise, could we have a hook about his photographic trips across Russia? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Cwmhiraeth, thanks for the review! I agree it's not interesting for people to travel across Russia by train nowadays, but I think that the situation described in ALT0 (an American doing so in Soviet Russia, behind the Iron Curtain) was unusual. My preference is to keep (or possibly reword) ALT0, but I'm also willing to come up with a new hook if you think one is needed. With respect to your suggestion for ALT1, how about the following?
- ALT2: ... that Nicholas Muellner was in the Caribbean when he decided to photograph acquaintances in Russia?
- Armadillopteryxtalk 22:26, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Cwmhiraeth, thanks for the review! I agree it's not interesting for people to travel across Russia by train nowadays, but I think that the situation described in ALT0 (an American doing so in Soviet Russia, behind the Iron Curtain) was unusual. My preference is to keep (or possibly reword) ALT0, but I'm also willing to come up with a new hook if you think one is needed. With respect to your suggestion for ALT1, how about the following?
Thank you. I will approve ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
