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Interesting to read ! --Bhadani 16:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?

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The article repeatedly condemns Zia'a Islamic laws and expresses the author's point of view - that these laws have damaged Pakistan, etc.

While I don't think I actually disagree with the author's assessment, the article might be edited to make it more neutral?


I think it's fine. What good do you suggest came out by forcing the definition of Islam upon people? Some of the things that he did were nowhere near what Islam teaches and merely his own fantacies. Some of these odd biased and prejudiced laws are still in practice in Pakistan, and in clear violation of basic human rights, and the UN has tried many a times to get Pakistan to change them, but in vain. Islam is a universal religion and thus should be attractive to all the peoples of the world in its original form.

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I also agree that this article is 100% fine. If the truth about Zia is hard to endure I guess you should read other articles. 24.90.163.84

It's irrelevant whether you agree with an opinion, really. There -is- a difference between fact and opinion and this needs to be made clear; NPOV is to be upheld even (especially?) when we're discussing the Holocaust or female genital cutting. I'm doing some gnomework to fix the more blatant examples.

Also: please remember to sign the talk page when you post. Ramidel 21:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Kautilya3's concerns

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Hi NadirAli, you have been a series of unexplained edits to a whole bunch pages. What does this edit mean? What are you trying to do? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Kautilya3: I explained in the edit summary. The previous line implies extreme POV; wheras my edit is more factual. If that makes you unhappy, strive for something more neutral. And for your info, I am still working on the article and will be working on it most of tomorrow. I need to insert more reliable sources there.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which line? "Pakistan has been carved out of British India"? That is extreme POV? How so? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It was a fight for independence from British Rule. What part of that is POV. And besides, that link leads to a list. It was ruled by the British Empire which granted independence and previously ruled it. That is factual.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So, all these sources are POV, and you are going to decide how to write it on your own? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am going to review them to ensure they are reliable sources and adhere to NPOV. The current edit is more neutral and factual, but like I said I will be editing this article more thoroughly tomorrow.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid what you are engaging in is WP:OR, not WP:NPOV. I hope you know the difference? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I do since I clearly sourced my edit. More later, but since you are insistent, I added a template so anyone reading will see that you are not satisfied.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
NadirAli WP:EDITWARing won't help. The dispute still remains here. The content which you are trying to modify has been staying in the article since several months,[1] in the exact same wording used by multiple reliable sources. Please discuss on the talk page before changing it. Why do you want to change it at all, in the first place? — Tyler Durden (talk) 04:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If the dispute remains here, why are you trying to remove the tag? Either I get to change the content provided I reliably source it (which I did for the most part), or we can keep the tag here. Note that I explained to you twice about the tag and each time you seem to ignore it, which will not help things here.
One problem here is carved links to Pakistan movement which I provided the correct word it linked to. I did not break any rule by doing so and in fact it is encouraged to keep the link to the actual word rather than misword.
The intro makes it appear as though Zia was the founder Pakistan, so I spaced out introduction and Zia's later takeover and Islamitization policies.
Pakistan had no state religion upon independence in 1947, that came later, but Sharization proper came during Zia's era. I simply don't understand the refusal to acknowledge these basic facts. Why wouldn't anyone with some basic common sense want to add this? Why is this article being used to misprove that Pakistan was founded as a Sharia state when it's purpose is to explain how the state and judiciary became Islamitized?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 05:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That appears to be reasonable. What I don't understand though is that the edit warring seems to be over the lead, not related to the above. Could you all explain which parts you object to in Nadir's revision? Mar4d (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If this is the Nadirali version, I think it seems reasonable. Let us put this behind us and move forward. NadirAli, please be sure to write clear edit summaries for your edits so that we understand what you are doing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Template

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Hello @NadirAli: you have newly added an 'disputed accuracy' template at the top of the article without any explanation in the edit summary. Can you explain what factual accuracy is disputed in the article in its current state, and why? Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Durden, please check the above thread. I hesitate to edit the article for a short duration because of the dispute, but will update it very soon. Until then, I will have to insist that you leave it there. Thank you--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 06:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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