Talk:ZiL

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There should be an article of the legendary bus ZIL-127. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.28.97.77 (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 11:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

A good source for expanding the article

Anyone interested in expanding this article, the book "Cars for Comrades" by Lewis Siegelbaum has a detailed discussion of the history of ZIL. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 22:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Bloomington's Brandt Truck Line and Detroit's A.J. Brandt Co.

A company called Brandt Truck Line, established in 1923 in Bloomington, IL, went bankrupt in March 2011:

http://www.joc.com/trucking/brandt-truck-line-shuts-down

http://wjbc.com/brandt-truck-line-shuts-down-operations/

http://wjbc.com/tags/brandt-truck-line/

Anyone know if they could be related to the A.J. Brandt Co. that in 1931 helped re-equip and expand the Zil factory? All I have is circumstantial evidence: the company's name and age. An archived page from the company's history omits any real discussion about what was going on at the company during the late 1920s and early 1930s:

From http://web.archive.org/web/20100125033618/http://www.btlbrandt.com/history.asp

Prior to 1923, Brandt Truck Line was an agent for Standard Oil. Loads of kerosene for heating and lamp oil were pulled by a team of mules down a dirt road from Atlanta, IL to Waynesville, IL. Shortly thereafter, grocery products moving to Peoria, IL became the staple products.

Today specialty trucks deliver pop, beer, furniture, etc., but in the late 1920's and 1930's, everything was moved on the same truck. Thus Brandt became a general LTL commodity hauler. Also during this period, Brandt Truck Line began service to and from Chicago. An office was opened on South Water Market Street in Chicago.

In the late 1950's a tank line division was added that operated through the early 1960's. The main emphasis was always on LTL freight through the expansion of cartage work. During the 1970's Brandt moved freight throughout central Illinois for many of the giants in the trucking industry.

It's clear they aren't the same company, since A. J. Brandt Company was in Detroit (http://books.google.com/books?id=B-jWhJMt_9EC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48 and http://books.google.com/books?id=A1SKALUTXnYC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130 )

At nearly the same moment that Ford agreed to help erect the automobile factory at Nizhnii Novgorod, Soviet officials hired the A. J. Brandt Company of Detroit to reorganize and expand the prerevolutionary AMO truck factory in Moscow.

and http://books.google.com/books?id=jQoEAAAAYAAJ&q=A.J.+Brandt+truck&dq=A.J.+Brandt+truck

Arthur J. Brandt, head of the A.J. Brandt Company of Detroit, named by Antony Sutton as builder of the Amo or ZIL truck factory in Moscow, was disillusioned by his Russian experience, and on his return to the United States undertook to warn...

67.100.127.173 (talk) 19:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Another citation available

Pages like http://www.gaz66.co.uk/History.html confirm the role that American and other company's played in the development of Zil and other companies.

Many major American companies have been prominent in building up the Soviet truck industry. The Ford Motor Company, the A. J. Brandt Company, the Austin Company, General Electric, Swindell-Dressier, and others supplied the technical assistance, design work, and equipment of the original giant plants.

This Soviet military-civilian truck industry originally comprised two main groups of plants, plus five newer giant plants. The first group used models, technical assistance, and parts and components from the Ford-built Gorki automobile plant (GAZ is the model designation). The second group of production plants used models, parts, and components from the A. J. Brandt-rebuilt ZIL plant in Moscow (Zavod imeni Likhachev, formerly the AMO and later the Stalin plant). Consequently this plant was called the BBH-ZIL plant after the three companies involved in its reconstruction and expansion in the 1930s: A. J. Brandt, Budd, and Hamilton Foundry.

There is a fundamental difference between the Ford and Brandt companies. Brandt had only one contract in the USSR, to rebuild the old AMO plant in 1929. AMO in 1930 had a production of 30,000 trucks per year, compared to the Gorki plant, designed from scratch by Ford for an output of 140,000 vehicles per year. Ford is still interested in Russian business. Brandt is not interested and has not been since 1930.

67.100.127.173 (talk) 19:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Closed

According to the Al-Jazeera documentary film, ZiL, or at least its Moscow plant, closed in 2013. --Error (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)