Talk:Yazathingyan (15th-century minister)

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Did you know... that crown prince of Ava Minye Kyawswa (pictured) discarded advice from Yazathingyan, and subsequently got slain in battle?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 15:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Chief Minister Yazathingyan of Ava offered the Ava throne to the rightful heir Prince Thihathu of Prome only after his first choice Thihapate of Mohnyin declined it? Source: Sources: (Yazawin Thit Vol. 1 2012: 286), (Hmannan Vol. 2 2003: 81), (Aung-Thwin 2017: 91)
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Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 01:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Hybernator: File:Min Kyawzwa Nat.jpg would make an excellent image for the front page, if you could write a hook for it. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, will look into it. It might take a few days. Hybernator (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article is long enough and new enough.
No issues with WP:BLP or WP:NPOV
Earwig finds no issues, but Earwig probably doesn't access to any of the sources. I'm going to AGF on this one.
No issues with the referencing.
QPQ is done.
ALT0 is acceptable, but I think we can do better with something shorter. Maybe:
- ALT0a: ... that Yazathingyan of Ava offered the throne to Thihathu of Prome only after Thihapate of Mohnyin declined it?
This is OK with the original hook, but some work to find a better hook could result in an improvement. As mentioned above, if we could find a hook which showed off the very nice image, that would be great. Overall, a really nice job, and make an excellent GA nomination. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see a sneaky hook including the picture. How about
Minye Kyawswa of Ava

ALT1: ... that 27 years after Minye Kyawswa (pictured) discarded his advice and got slain in battle, Yazathingyan decided to offer king Minye Kyawswa's throne to Thihapate of Mohnyin, instead of the rightful heir?

This is borderline maybe, because it plays around with Minye Kyawswa (crown prince, died 1415) and Minye Kyawswa I of Ava (king, died 1442). But I find it to be rather hooky, and it could use the pic. –LordPeterII (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(I shortened ALT1 a bit by leaving out "of Ava", because it was almost 200 chars, and I don't think it's needed.) –LordPeterII (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks RoySmith, LordPeterII; sorry, couldn't reply sooner; the week just got away from me. I think ALT1 is definitely more hooky but might be a bit too long. But I can't think of a better way to make it shorter, so I'm fine with it. As a second choice, I'm ok with ALT0a. Cheers. Hybernator (talk) 03:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @RoySmith:, could you take a look and provide feedback? Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 03:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I find that kind of confusing, but I'm can't think of a way to improve it, sorry. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith and Hybernator: Alright, let me suggest some alternatives:

ALT1b: ... that 27 years after Minye Kyawswa (pictured) discarded his advice and got slain in battle, Yazathingyan decided to offer king Minye Kyawswa's throne to Thihapate of Mohnyin?
ALT2: ... that crown prince of Ava Minye Kyawswa (pictured) discarded advice from Yazathingyan, and subsequently got slain in battle?

ALT1b is basically just shortened to leave out the "rightful ruler" part which isn't needed for hookiness imo. ALT2 provides a much shorter alternative that still supports the image. –LordPeterII (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I really like ALT2. Let's go with that! -- RoySmith (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]