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The result of the move request was: Move. The former title is clearly not preferable, and this seems to be the best supported alternative. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:26, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yan'an Talks on Literature and Art → Yan'an Forum –

This article seems to be have its priorities in reverse and was not written by someone very familiar with the topic. This article should not be about Mao's speeches (not speech, there was more than one) at the Yan'an Forum which is what 延安文藝座談會 is typically translated as, but should simply be titled the Yan'an Forum where Mao gave his notable speeches about the course arts and literature should take in the PRC later published as "Talks at the Yan'an Forum of Literature and Art" and not "Yan'an Talks on Literature and Art" which is itself a mistranslation of the supposed Chinese title of the page 在延安文藝座談會上的講話.

It was a forum, where over 100 people spoke, not simply Mao, yet there is no article for this on wikipedia yet. The article furthermore gives no context. The Yan'an Forum was a vital part of the Yan'an Rectification Campaign which is not mentioned until the end of the article and no connection between the two is established. A move to the Yan'an Forum on Literature and Art or Yan'an Forum on Arts and Literature would be equally acceptable. -Devin Ronis (d.s.ronis) (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT: move to Yan'an Forum on Literature and Art, since this would be more self-explanatory to readers. This would be a great article, so thanks for taking it on. Ideally the article should not use the bowdlerized PRC texts, however, but preferably, for instance, those in Tony Saich, ed., The Rise to Power of the Chinese Communist Party: Documents and Analysis. Armonk, N.Y.: M.E. Sharpe, ISBN 1563241544. It might be hard to find the older but very useful Bonnie S. Mcdougall. Mao Zedong's "Talks at the Yan'an Conference on Literature and Art" : A Translation of the 1943 Text with Commentary. Ann Arbor: Center for Chinese Studies; University of Michigan, 1980, ISBN 0892640391. The classic reference is the first chapters in Merle Goldman. Literary Dissent in Communist China. Cambridge,: Harvard University Press, Harvard East Asian Series, 1967. Dai Qing took up the cause of Wang Shiwei in her edited volume, Dai Qing, Edited By, David E. Apter and Timothy Cheek. Wang Shiwei and "Wild Lilies" : Rectification and Purges in the Chinese Communist Party, 1942-1944. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe, 1994. Translated by Nancy Liu and Lawrence R. Sullivan. ISBN 1563242567. ch (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support with reservations - Agree that the current title is badly translated, and that "Yan'an Forum" is a good name for the event. However, is the Forum itself notable? The aspect of the Forum with the greatest lasting impact must be Mao's famous speech. My secondary preference would be "Yan'an Arts Forum": the so-called "Literature and Arts" is a character-by-character translation of the Chinese word which is really a translation of (what is known in English as) "Arts" in the classical sense, i.e. encompassing literature. Third preference would be "Yan'an Forum on Art and Literature". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 16:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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