Talk:2012–13 Professional Hockey League season

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Suggested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved by GrooveDog. --BDD (talk) 02:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

XXI Ukrainian Championship → 2012–13 Professional Hockey League season – Correct name of league NickSt (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose. The existing title is of course almost useless, because hardly any reader anywhere has a clue what sport the article might be about. But the proposed replacement is no improvement. It replaces one obscurity with another, so we know it is about hockey but are given no hint about which league, and where. Now, at Ukrainian Wikipedia things are different. Obviously there the title "Професіональна хокейна ліга 2012–2013" is more acceptable. It means "Professional hockey league 2012–2013", and there are subtle contextual clues that it might just be – you guessed it – the Ukrainian professional hockey league. So let's get serious, as we name articles for a worldwide English-language encyclopedia, I say. Move this article to Ukrainian Professional Hockey League, 2012–13. Or something like that. While we're at it, note that even the Ukrainian article for the league itself gives precision about the country concerned: Професіональна хокейна ліга (Україна), "Professional hockey league (Ukraine)". (Note the league's logo, on the right there. Even it has the word "Ukraine" at the top.) So why at English Wikipedia do we have the stripped-down title Professional Hockey League? Here is where we need that obvious bit of precision! Bizarre. And yes, there are confusable articles on Wikipedia, to say nothing of the general confusion with usages beyond our present range of articles. Serve the readers, not the blind titling algorithms. Noetica^Tea? 09:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Name seems fine to me as it is. But if it absolutely had to be moved the target is the best name. This is the official name of the league and unless we had another article with the same name we don't need to disambiguate. -DJSasso (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:CRITERIA. The proposed name is consistent with the league article (Professional Hockey League) and the usual form for season articles (e.g., 2012–13 Premier League). --BDD (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. BDD has it right.Cúchullain ^t/c 16:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Comment the only reference I can find in this article does not mention either name can someone please provide evidence to show what name is correct. Also if this is accurate then XX Ukrainian Championship needs to be moved as well unless the naming structure changed between seasons.--70.49.81.44 (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to official PHL website it is stated that full name is Professional Hockey League Championship. The naming structure was changed between 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons when the PHL was created. So indeed, these two articles should be moved. Berkut88 (talk) 04:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that is exceedingly generic. There are many pro hockey leagues, and not just for icehockey. Also "Professional Hockey League" (caps) many times signifies that it is an elite league, premier league or major league, and not a secondary league of professional persuasion, in the generic sense. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 08:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

There doesn't seem to have been consensus to move, and actually if you consider the additional comments, there was leaning towards keeping the page(s) as-is. Why was it moved without consensus?--Львівське (говорити) 00:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]