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Requested move 10 October 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per discussion below. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wonyoung → Jang Wonyoung – Cracking open a discussion on moving Wonyoung to Jang Wonyoung. Back in July there was a proposal to move from Jang Won-young to Jang Wonyoung, but the article ended up being moved to Wonyoung instead without much discussion or supporting evidence.

It doesn't seem like the subject of the article has ever been known as "Wonyoung" in any official capacity; she was known as "Jang Won-yong" in Iz*One, and is specifically one of two members of IVE that officially use their full names, not a mononym (the other being An Yujin). See: IVE official listing at Starship Entertainment, and official Spotify artist page.

In addition, English-language reliable sources seem to commonly refer to her non-monomously (at least as commonly as they do mononomously): Dazed Magazine, Maeil Business Newspaper, Korea JoongAng Daily, WWD, The Korea Times, The Sun, Republic, South China Morning Post, The Korea Herald, The Chosun Ilbo, Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Economic Daily, The Hankook Ilbo, Aju News Corporation, Korea Broadcasting System

I think that given that there are some sources that refer to her mononomously, and some sources that refer to her with the full name, we should defer to the way she is known officially unless the evidence to refer to her otherwise is overwhelming. She is officially non-mononomous in all her professional solo MCing and hosting credits, her group work (both groups), her agency, etc. The only quasi-official place she's used "Wonyoung" is her Instagram name and even that's debatable because immediately prior to that she calls herself "Jang Wonyoung" in Hangul. RachelTensions (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 04:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: There is consensus on moving to the full name, but more discussion required on whether the hyphen should be included. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 04:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Analyzing the hyphen versus no hyphen question:
  • In the above reliable, independent sources that that refer to her as her full name, one-third of the sources refer to her without the hyphen, the other two-thirds hyphenate.
  • Thought it is not her WP:COMMONNAME, when she is referred to mononomously, it is almost exclusively without the hyphen.
  • Her official listings at Starship and artist page at Spotify list her without the hyphen (though, to be fair, they don't include any punctuation or spacing at all, referring to her as ""JANGWONYOUNG"). There is a song credited to "Jang Wonyoung" (no hyphen) at Apple Music
WP:NCKO says to use the widely-accepted romanization (hyphen or no hyphen) and if there is no widely accepted romanization then to defer to the subject's personal preference. The majority of sources that use her full name use the hyphen, but most sources that just use her given name don't use the hyphen. The subject's personal preference seems to be for no hyphen.
So really it could go either way. RachelTensions (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the latest english sources that they use her full name including hyphen (referring to as Jang Won-young):
- Jjpachano (talk) 14:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support without hyphen: per using the subject's personal preference. If her company profile, artist page on streaming platforms, and instagram bio (the one thing thats most likely in her control) have no hyphen, I would say that trumps the various other options (Jang Won Young/Jang Won-young/Jang WonYoung). Especially on Instagram, she has her full name in Hangul then just her given name in English formatted without the hyphen (as opposed to having it as her full name as is technically her stage name), which to me indicates a preference. orangesclub 🍊 23:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be name dispute due to her various names mentioned in the english sources either Wonyoung, Jang Won-young or Jang Wonyoung. I've seen that hyphen its a common practice is used for Korean names on Wikipedia; one fine example is Im Yoon-ah and not Im Yoona, even though she is addressed as "Yoona" most of the time in English-based media, same with this article - Jjpachano (talk) 03:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As nominator I'll Support the above alternative proposal suggested by @Jjpachano to include the hyphen (move to Jang Won-young), given its prevalence in reliable sources and the only real suggestion of preference otherwise being an Instagram bio. RachelTensions (talk) 05:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relisting so that the new suggestion is taken into consideration. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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