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I changed it from this:

Womyn-born womyn (WBW) is a term developed during second-wave feminism to designate spaces for, by, and about women who were identified as female at birth, were raised as girls, and identify as women (or womyn). Events and organizations that have womyn-born womyn-only policies bar access to any persons who were assigned male at birth, including trans women and the young children of attendees. This policy has raised a number of concerns because no logical distinction can be found between forbidding people from inclusion who, decades ago, were born with the wrong chromosomal arrangement and forbidding people from inclusion based on race. Today, an event restricted to white people born white would, rightfully so, be seen as racist. According to Michigan Womyn's Music Festival co-founder Lisa Vogel during a Bitch magazine roundup, "What womyn-born womyn means to us is women who were born as women, who have lived their entire experience as women, and who identify as women."/>

To this:

Womyn-born womyn (WBW) is a term developed during second-wave feminism to designate spaces for, by, and about women who were identified as female at birth, were raised as girls, and identify as women (or womyn).
Events and organizations that have womyn-born-womyn-only policies bar access to anyone was assigned male at birth, including trans women and the young children of attendees, a position which has raised a number of concerns from transgender groups.
Lisa Vogel, co-founder of Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, stated during a Bitch magazine roundup, that:
"What womyn-born womyn means to us is women who were born as women, who have lived their entire experience as women, and who identify as women.
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More sources needed for The RadFem Collective

Granted, they exist as an example. However, there's only one source and the article itself (and even the source, from what I skimmed) doesn't really establish much in the way of how important that particular organization was/is. While it is common enough knowledge that such a mindset isn't or at least wasn't uncommon in "mainstream" radfem groups, the article as written currently gives the appearance of giving undue weight to the point of view of a non-notable organization. 2803:4600:1116:12E7:64F0:D322:9A39:20 (talk) 09:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Author pronouns

I'm Nadia Khayrallah, an author cited in this article (reference 6). I now use they/them pronouns and would like that corrected in the text. [1] Nlk12345 (talk) 23:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting us know! I've updated the pronouns in the article. Srey Sros^talk 02:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]