Talk:Windic March

Hi, the Windic March is a region in Slovenia and is not identical with Styria. The former name of Styria (Steiermark) is Kärntnermark, Karantanermark, marchia carantana, Mark an der Mur and so on. see: de:Mark an der Mur, de:Windische Mark. --86.33.244.106 22:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC) de:Benutzer:SML

My English language sources (my German is a notch above nonexistant) indicate that "Windic march" is based on a German term which is rarely seen in English. From what I can tell, Carinthia was a march of Bavaria until 976, when it became a duchy. Then Styria was separated from Carinthia to form a march of its own, the "march of Carinthia", since it was the Duchy of Carinthia's march. Thus, the "marca carantan" was a different entity entirely before and after 976. The terminology is not consistent now or then, so too much arguing over it is worthless, but the German terminology and English usage seem to be out of sync. Srnec 04:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Please 1) see the german article de:Windische Mark; this is the Windic March; has nothing to do with Styria.
2) For Carinthia, you are right, there is a terminology problem:
territory of modern Carinthia and Styria: about 600 - 800 : Karantania
territory of modern Carinthia and Styria: about 800 - 976 : March of Carinthia
territory of modern Carinthia: from 976: Duchy of Carinthia
part of modern Styria: from about 976: Kärntner Mark (March of Carinthia) = Karantaner Mark (Carantanian March, marchia carantana) = Mark an der Mur -> March of Styria
Hope I could help de:Benutzer:SML --83.181.35.39 12:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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The Windic March (Slovenska krajina) is a territory of Middle Age situated in and filling out maximum part of Dolenjska, Slovenia. The name windic is the german meaning of "the slovenian neighborhood".

History

Originally, in karolingian time, the Carniola also contained the territory of Windic March, but in Ottonian time, from 960 on, the Windic March was separated from Carniola and integrated into the March of Savinja ("Soune"). From 976 on, it was attached to the duchy of Carinthia.

After 1036, the Windic March was separated from Carinthia and reattached to Carniola under the double-name "Carniola and the Windic March". In 1077, Carniola and the Windic March were set under the direction of the patriarcs of Aquileia.

Until 1209, the Counts of Weichselburg/Weichselberg (Vishnja Gora) hat extended possessions in the Windic March. By heiress Sophia of Weichselburg, the Counts of Andechs were the next owners in this land. Thereafter, by heiress Agnes of Andechs, Duke Frederic II of Babenberg (+1246), became "dominus Carniole" (Lord of Carniola) and lord of the Windic March, and after him, Duke Ulric III of Carinthia (+1269), named himself in this manner.

After 1269, King Ottokar II of Bohemia (+1278) unified all his occupied territories, Carniola, the Windic March, the valley of Savinja and Slovenj Gradec to "the March".

King Rudolf I. gave in 1282 Austria, Styria, Carniola and the Windic March nominally to his sons, but Carniola and the Windic March stayed really at Count Meinhard of Görz-Tyrol, later also Duke of Carinthia.

After 1374, death of a sideline of the Meinhardins of Görz, the Windic March fell to the Habsburgs and stayed there until 1918, except for the time of Napoleon dominion.

Greetings, de:Benutzer:SML --86.33.228.148 15:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the title be Windisch Mark

First of all in the English language march means something else and I think that even in English sources this entity were called Windisch (not Wendish or Windish) and most certainly not Windic. -- Imbris (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)