Talk:Whisper of the Heart

Suggested APPROACH for the article: correct length, tone, and detail.

Building on the above "short example", here is JUST AN EXAMPLE of how someone will need to write this article.

The current article is a non-starter as it simply describes only half or less of the movie. We must also be mindful of the excellent points made by the new editor above ..

• avoid even the "impression of" peacock words or POV

• get the length right

We can add to this (one would assume)

• it must actually describe all of the movie, not just the first half of the movie where "the lovers meet"

• there should be no incredibly detailed descriptions of "famous beloved" scenes

Here we go. Hopefully someone who has the right to edit this page, can take a couple of hours to write an article something like this suggestion. Good luck!

SUGGESTED ONLY article suggestion, with (1) completely avoid 'peacock/POV' problem (2) length (3) include all of the movie (4) no detailed scene descriptions of "favourite scenes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.40.194.13 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well, at least the current page is in English instead of the gibberish you produce. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:899:80ED:A6DA:BEAD (talk) 07:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Whisper of the Heart (film) → Whisper of the Heart – No need for disambiguation since there is no other article titled "Whisper of the Heart". I guess the article is at the current title because the manga that it's based on had its own article (Mimi wo Sumaseba) but it was merged last year. Mika1h (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support No need for disambiguation here. BOVINEBOY2008 17:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support because the film appears to be the primary topic when compared to the manga. It seems possible to have an article about the manga, but I think it would be disambiguated. Basically, Whisper of the Heart can be the film article, and Whisper of the Heart (manga) can be the manga article if there is enough sourcing and effort. It can be similar to the setup of Road to Perdition (a film) and its source material Road to Perdition (comics). Erik (talk | contribs) 17:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think it we did a manga article it would need to be at Mimi wo Sumaseba since unlike the anime it was never released in the West and therefore was never called Whisper of the Heart.--174.93.160.57 (talk) 00:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support - the film is the primary topic. There is absolutely no need for a disambiguation here. We could use this as the main page and the manga on a separate page. For example, Grave of the Fireflies has two disambiguated pages: Grave of the Fireflies and Grave of the Fireflies (novel). Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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Setting part

In the "Setting" section, it notes that there are "three shops where fans of the movie meet". Which ones are they? I don't know, so I can't add them. 2600:8802:3A0B:3000:8044:EEC8:BA68:4204 (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed § Setting; it was not written particularly clearly, and was completely unsourced to boot. It was also giving me a whiff of fancruft. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

About the recent reversions

Hey Johnn Francis, thanks for your contributions to this article. In response to this edit summary, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, so the English Wikipedia is under no obligation to make any particular statement just because the Japanese Wikipedia does. Also, the original statement being unsourced is a valid reason to remove it, not replace it with another unsourced statement. Let me know your thoughts on this. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know about the whole "Wikipedia is not valid source for Wikipedia" thing. To be fair, I made these edits in a bit of a hurry. However, I've since found a couple of sources that state that 1) The “Cat Returns” manga was actually released on March 2002, not May 2002, unlike what the article on “The Cat Returns” claims, and 2) the manga was apparently a request to Aoi Hiiragi from Miyazaki to serve as a companion for the release of the film, so it is more than likely that the story of the manga and the script of the film were written at approximately the same time, kinda similar to what happened for the novel and the film “2001: A Space Odyssey”, if you’re familiar with it. So I bet the best way to phrase this is to write something along the lines of “A spin-off of Mimi o Sumaseba, titled Baron: Neko no Danshaku, was published in March 2002, and an animated movie based on that story was released in July 2002 under the name The Cat Returns.” What do you think? Obviously, I’ll add the proper sources along with it. Johnn Francis (talk) 06:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

If the sources don't mention anything about one being based on the other, then the article shouldn't either. I think it would be appropriate to mention the timeline of when each one was published, but making inferences about their creation past that point would be wandering into original research territory. Which sources are you looking at, by the way? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I've already made the change. Please have a look.--Johnn Francis (talk) 15:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)