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On 22 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from War poet to War poetry. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Charles, I'm afraid that I disagree with you. Mr Steadman just isn't notable enough to appear on this page. You just can't compare` For genre of writing so significant as war poetr, this article is a complete joke. It is badly written, inaccurate and ambiguous in almost every detail it gives. For example it gives an entire category to the Spanish Civil War, yet contributes not one example of war poetry from that war, and where is the citation for the claim that war poetry has declined since then.--Nwe 15:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

Look at the World War I section and read it. Am I blind or does anyone else see it because when I tried to edit it to delete that, I couldn't find it.. =\

'Cause I already took care of it; I'm that awesome. --Gwern (contribs) 04:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am taking the words "at least" out of the phrase "there was probably at least as much poetry written on the German side but..." I have little doubt this could be true as the Germans were noted poets and musicians as a culture. But without a citation the phrase at least is innacurate, it gives the impression that the Germans wrote more poetry that didn't get heard. This may well be so, and I am willing to take it on faith that they produced as much, but the idea that they created more without citation is innacurate, until proven accurate. Colin 8 19:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

War poetry

Wouldn't this article be better if renamed to War poetry (which is currently a redirect), and altered to fit that title? Unfortunately, I don't have the expertise to do it.

-- TimNelson (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have started down the road to expanding (and hopefully improving?) this article on the basis of its title "War poet". I certainly agree there should be an a separate article "War poetry" - although I certainly would not be competent to start one! Þjóðólfr (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World View

I am removing the world view tag - Doughboy is not tagged as we would not expect much coverage of the British in such an article. Likewise, while I have not checked the nationalities of the sixteen commemorated at Westminster Abbey, I am sure they would include any notable Commonwealth poets. The Americans made the difference in winning WW1 but theirs was a different war to that experienced by the War Poets. Þjóðólfr (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually It is 3.5 Welsh, 1 Scot and 11.5 English. Þjóðólfr (talk) 22:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this article limited to British or UK authors?

In the discussion above by Þjóðólfr it states: "The Americans made the difference in winning WW1 but theirs was a different war to that experienced by the War Poets." This implies that the term "War Poets" is limited to "Commonwealth poets." If it is so limited, then it should say so explicitly. Instead, the article gives a broader definition of a War Poet: "A War poet is a poet writing in time of and on the subject of war," and while that paragraph states the term was particularly applied to WWI poets it doesn't state that the article is limited to that time period, as other time periods are included. Moreover, a German poet is mentioned. Is it solely European War Poets that are to be discussed or Commonwealth plus European? How many poems do you have to write to be a "War Poet"?

What about Thomas Hardy? Last I heard he was born in England. (see below for page with link to his poetry)

If you are not just limiting this to Commonwealth or WWI poets, Stephen Crane should be included; he wrote poetry as well as prose after the American Civil War but before the First World War. See "War Is kind." http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/blscranewar.htm

Other American poets wrote about war during this time." Walt Whitman wrote:

Dirge for Two Veterans (1900)

http://poetry.about.com/od/poems/l/blwhitmandirge.htm

"Look down Fair Moon," and especially verses 18 & 19 of "When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom’d" (1900) :http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/blwhitmanwar.htm

Robert Frost's "But not to keep" (1917) was written in the WWI period http://poetry.about.com/od/poems/l/blfrostwar.htm

Some other poets that might qualify include:

Herman Melville - Shiloh - A Requiem (1868)

Thomas Hardy “In Time of ‘The Breaking of Nations" & "The Man He Killed"(1915)

Carl Sandburg 1916 & 1918

Elizabeth Barrett Browning "Mother & Poet" (1862)

For these poets and some others, see http://poetry.about.com/od/ourpoemcollections/a/poemsofwar.htm

By the way, in the section titled "Later Wars," some of the names listed are of U.S. born poets.

Ileanadu (talk) 09:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any Living WWI Poets?

In the section titled World War I it states:

Several poets writing in English were soldiers, and wrote about their experiences of war. A number of them died ....

I should think they all died. Are there any still living? Anyway, I assume this is meant to say they died in battle or during the war they wrote about or something like that. Cheers. Ileanadu (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lost material

I see that several chunks of material were removed from 26-30 April 2012. See diff.

In particular, there is nothing in the article now before WWI (despite the lede making it clear that the term "war poet" was in use from 1848), and no French poets, or Italians or Germans. -- Theramin (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient warrior poets

Why does this make no mention of warrior poets of ancient greece or japan? 98.24.14.97 (talk) 15:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'In England'

Should this section in WW1 not be titled Britain or United Kingdom as it includes Thomas (Anglo-welsh) and Sorley (who was a Scot). Also there were other British War poets who were not english. eg Joseph Lee Dunarc (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion.

Precursors to WW1 - add WB Yeats, AE Houseman. WW1 poets - add Alan Seeger (USA). AnnaComnemna (talk) 11:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AnnaComnemna W. B. Yeats' An Irish Airman Foresees His Death is from 1918 in fact. What other war poems did he write? I suggest that you add something to the page for these three poets.Rwood128 (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in War poet

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of War poet's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Fleming":

From Alipashiad: Fleming, Katherine Elizabeth (1999). The Muslim Bonaparte: diplomacy and orientalism in Ali Pasha's Greece. Princeton University Press. p. 64. ISBN 978-0-691-00194-4. Ali's use of Greek for courtly business... The population of Ali's territories was predominantly Greek..."
From Ioannina: Fleming Katherine Elizabeth. The Muslim Bonaparte: diplomacy and orientalism in Ali Pasha's Greece. Princeton University Press, 1999. ISBN 978-0-691-00194-4. p. 63-66

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 01:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

War poet → War poetry – This article would be better framed as focusing on the genre of poetry, rather than as an extended list of examples. Compare Political poetry and Cowboy poetry for examples of how this could be approached. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It seems like the question is whether this should be an article about poets whose writings were influenced by their war experiences, or poetry about war. Those are two very different things, and this problem of scope is not seen in the case of topics like Cowboy poetry. Dekimasuよ! 10:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there could be a viable List of war poets as well as the War poetry article I'm proposing; I don't think the current approach makes sense. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's a better title and article scope. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. If a poet writes war poetry, they are a war poet, no? And the poetry of a war poet, what would you call it? I don't think Dekimasu's distinction holds ups (as applied to the terms in question). Srnec (talk) 20:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.