Talk:Wainfleet All Saints

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Wainfleet All Saints

This article relates to Wainfleet All Saints. There is also Wainfleet St Mary and Northolme which come under this category. Suggest inclusion? Panderoona (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I can see an article for Wainfleet St Mary as it's 2m SW of All Saints. I notice we haven't got any parish (boundary) information in the article - if St Mary and other villages/hamlets fall under All Saints parish there could be justification for adding St Mary into All Saints in its own section. From a quick look, isn't Northolme incorprated within All Saints (perhaps not historically) and centred around Northolme Hall. I could see a separate Level 2 section in the article for the various Wainfleet areas, each under their own Level 3 sub sections - it depends on how many other distinct, identifiable and important areas there are within All Saints to justify this. Take a look at this (added as a ref to the article): here. Loads of good stuff. I wonder how many other conservation reports there might be for other towns and villages - could be rich mines of information if they exist. - if Acabashi (talk) 11:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Theres a great site called Pastscape which has a lot of info in important old buildings/sites/places roman coins etc etc. I did look there for those supposed viking mounds, nothing mentioned although it does mention two probable mill mounds. Make of that what you will. The same site does mention Northolme as being the lost village of Wainfleet St Thomas, and I think thats right as I always believed thats what Northolme was - not that Im an expert!. The only really notable thing worth mentioning is probably Northolme Hall - and how the former St Thomas Church is now an extension of the graveyard. Im not suggesting Wainfleet St Mary or Northolme (Wainfleet St Thomas) should have a page of their own, I dont think theres enough information available to make that worth Wikipedias space, just a header with a note abt them? This place is fantastic every day I learn of new reference sources :)

Im sorry I dont know how to shorten link to Pastscape (talk • contribs) 12:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

sorry!! forgot to sign - I will get the hang of this! Panderoona (talk) 12:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I've shortened it for you - just leave a space at the end of the link and add words you want - then enclose the whole thing in single square brackets. Yes it is interesting about the Viking mounds - I can't find anything about them. I'm wondering if this was just a piece of editorializing by User:Rhoades1000 (7 November 2006) - this user appears very inactive but I'll leave a message on the talk page asking for clarification and cites. It might be the case that this should be removed until proven to be noted somewhere - these mounds are mentioned elsewhere but only on mirror sites. There are mounds around Wainfleet and there are possible indications to them being the remains/detritus of saltern construction - perhaps our Viking mounds are two of these. The Wainfleet St Thomas makes sense to me now - refers to St Thomas church that disappeared before 1820. A subsection (like the one "Transport") on other notably included areas, including Northolme, might be good if there is enough info about them - the Wainfleet Conservation Area Appraisal might help here. It's always a bit visually problematic if there is a major section that has little more than one or two sentences - when I see this I tend to copyedit them down to at least a subsection or get rid of the section altogether, thinking it's a bit cheeky for an editor to "major section laud" a usually disparate piece of information and then expect others to pad it out for them.

There is some info on St Mary as a distinct village: Genuki, ADS, J. Charles Cox has quite a bit about the church, and it appears to be its own ("extensive": Cox) parish: Wainfleet, distinct from All Saints. There are book refs too: Google books. So I think it would make a reasonable sized stub - a lot bigger than many I've seen.

I might not be able to do much on Lincs articles starting from tomorrow - the start of the May Guild of Copywriters drive. But I'll look in now and then. Acabashi (talk) 14:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I read some of that article you posted above earlier, and there is something about those suposed viking mounds. and no one seems to know what they really were, but is has been suggested that they were likely to be either viking or roman - so I think that needs to be noted. Theres a fair bit on WSM and WST (as I call em, and WAS is obviously the area written about.) I might have a go at it - its a bit scary Im used to working on teensy villages and hamlets, but' and I certainly didnt want to step on your editing toes' Ill try and be brave while youre away ;). I have one more question which I would like answered if possible - I learnt how to add Infoboxes today, and did one on Eastville. But when I added a photo, it came up with an ugly bit of script at the top about the image size and I dont know a) how to get rid of it and b) how to centre the image within the infobox. Please advise? Thank you very much, and good luck with the drive. Panderoona (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Eastville pic seems to have been sorted by somebody else. In the info box just add the raw name of the image - Eastville parish church, Lincs - geograph.org.uk - 86061.jpg - against static image name and it should take care of itself. You don't have to take the title of the image as gospel to add as its 'static image caption' - they are not always correct or fulsome enough. The Algarkirk name dedication was reasonable as anyone can see that it is a church. Why not have a go at a WSM article as it appears to be a separate parish? - extant parishes are accepted as already notable and deserve an article for themselves, and with an infobox, a couple of categories, a stub tag, and an inline cite to Genuki it's not going to be challenged. Just build on your stub. With categories I usually just go to similar articles and steal them. However, if the old (defunct?) WST parish (if it ever was one) is now part of the parish of WAS then a subsection in WAS would be apt if there is a reasonable amount of text to add. Don't worry about stepping on toes. Best wishes, Acabashi (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes someone did step in to point me in the right direction with infoboxes and I did some practising today to really get the hang of it.

Your ideas sound good to me I shall go on a hunt see what I can dig up on both places. :) Best wishes Panderoona (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)