Talk:Wachusett station

Wachusett station has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: May 6, 2017. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Wachusett station appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 May 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that freight derailments occurred at both of Wachusett's predecessor stations?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wachusett (MBTA station).

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Wachusett (MBTA station)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mackensen (talk · contribs) 22:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	~~Mostly fine; I've flagged a few issues below.~~
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	~~There's nothing controversial enough to justify citations in the lede, per WP:CITELEAD. Also, some of the content in the lede isn't repeated in the article.~~
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	~~There's a few citation tags (most of which I just added); otherwise this is excellent.~~
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Offline sources accepted in good faith. Multi-page sources such as Belcher and Karr should indicate page numbers. ~~The dates in citations are inconsistent and should follow US style.~~
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	None that I found.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	What one would expect from an article on a new station.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Previous use, proposals for use, and new use.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images are free; it'd be great to know for sure that File:Westminster MA freight wreck.jpg was published prior to 1923, but it seems likely.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	~~Please add suitable alt text.~~
	7. Overall assessment.

This has to be the only MBTA Commuter Rail article which I've never edited. Hello Pi.1415926535 (talk · contribs), thanks for your work on this article. I hope to have comments for you shortly. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have some questions about the main text:

Under "Former service", Gardner is introduced without explanation. Obviously it's railroad west of Wachusett, but I think it could be better explained.
Under "Planning for restoration", there's an uncited statement that the new station would be in West Fitchburg. In the next section, "Funding and design", it's in the town of Westminster. Is this the same place? Different?
Under "Funding and design", Pan Am Railways is introduced but without the explanation that it owns some portion of the Fitchburg Line. Relatedly, Pan Am Southern is mentioned in the lede and once in the article. What's the relationship between the two? A later usage of "Pan Am" in the "Construction" section is ambiguous.
MART isn't defined in the main text.
There's a tense issue in "Funding and design" when describing what the station will look like.
"As of then" is repeated a few times; it's good to see how the target opening shifted but perhaps this repetition can be avoided?

I'll read for sourcing next. Mackensen (talk) 22:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've placed the nomination on hold; none of these issues strike me as serious. Mackensen (talk) 22:59, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mackensen: I believe that I've fixed all of these issues, except one: because Belcher's history is frequently updated, page numbers tend to shift over time. I don't believe that should be a significant issue, as it's a searchable PDF. By the way, I just discovered that the 1914 image is actually one of a set of postcards made of the wreck, thus settling the publication issue. I'm uploading them to Commons as we speak. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi.1415926535: Thanks; I'll review. I suggest that with Belcher you link directly to an Internet Archive version of the page; that'll also help with verification in the future. Mackensen (talk) 18:08, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed; looks good except for Belcher. What do you think? Mackensen (talk) 18:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mackensen: I'm very hesitant to use an archived version of a live source just to maintain page numbers; while I do understand the verification issue, it's highly unlikely that the date would be removed from the document. Would switching to a citation format that supports |chapter=, and possibly adding the archived version to the wikitext with |deadurl=no for futureproofing, be sufficient? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi.1415926535: I understand, but it also helps with future verification efforts. It seems plausible that Belcher could revise the relevant section in future revision; being able to link the "March 25, 2017" version, with page references would make it easier (I think) to integrate a future version. I can't and don't insist on it, and I'm happy to pass this as GA if you'd rather not change it. Mackensen (talk) 19:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mackensen: If you're willing to pass it now, then let's do that. I've been thinking about making a template for the Belcher source that would accept the date as a parameter, linking to it with the text "page numbers accurate to March 25, 2017 version" or so on. That would allow me to fix this issue for all articles, rather than just here. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:09, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ridership

@Mackensen: I've clarified the 2018 ridership in the lede. It doesn't appear the MBTA has published any more recent counts - see the dashboard - so is it okay to remove the banner? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi.1415926535 perfect, that's what I was looking for. Thanks! Mackensen (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]