Talk:Visa policy of Ireland

EU freedom of movement

We did not split up the old EU visa policies page just to repeat the info it contained across all of the article which replace it. EU freedom of movement law is just that, EU law. It's determined centrally by the EU institutions. Irish visa policy is different. There is no need to have a whole (repeated) section on freedom of movement here. Doing so just results in repeating the same info across several articles creating multiple redundancies. — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 00:07, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The freedom of movement has nothing to do with Schengen visa policy. And it most certainly isn't more relevant to be placed in the Schengen visa policy article than this one (this is very important as the visa policy for third country nationals, be it Schengen or Irish or British is not the same visa policy that applies to Union citizens which is the freedom of movement which is applied uniformly across the Union without any difference), there is no redundancy at all. I have no intention of going into a more detailed explanation here, that is what Wikipedia is for, read more on the matter. The bottom line though is, Ireland applies the freedom of movement policy like any other EU member state and it's very relevant for any EU visa policy article, be it the Schengen area policy article or Irish visa policy, as it covers the entry and stay conditions for the EU citizens. These articles can't only concern the third nationals, they need to explain the entry and stay conditions of the Union citizens as well. If you believe the freedom of movement has no place here, then it has no place in the Schengen area visa policy article either, there is not a single argument to claim that the freedom of movement applies to the Schengen area more than it applies to Ireland.--Twofortnights (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

On the Law of the Republic of Ireland article we discuss how EU law affect Irish law but we don't repeat a summary of the European Union law article. And you're right this does affect all three EU visa policy articles. — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 00:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The Visa policy of the Schengen Area is in no way the same thing as the European Union law. There is no equivalent for the Visa policy of the Schengen Area in law articles and the European Union law is most similar to a general overview article "Visa policies of the European Union" (that doesn't yet exist, and is only tangentially similar).--Twofortnights (talk) 00:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Common Travel Area

Both the Irish and British Governments have signed agreements allowing Freedom of Movement via the Common Travel Area. Why is there a date of 31 December 2020 when Schengen has nothing to do with the Common Travel Area? OSSYULYYZ (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Schengen is not dealing with freedom of movement, it's the Citizens’ Rights Directive. Schengen Agreement deals with internal border checks and visa policies for third country nationals.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes I know that. I should have referred to Freedom of Movement between Ireland and the UK. But the Common Travel Area is part of the reason for the open border, which is why I brought up Schengen. OSSYULYYZ (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @OSSYULYYZ and Twofortnights: Indeed, the date should be removed. Irish and British citizens will maintain the right to freedom of movement after the transition period. st170e 00:04, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

There will be no changes to the Common Travel Area agreement regardless of brexit etc so no need to change anything on here Ire96 (talk) 10:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

References