Talk:Veruca Salt

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Current Picture

Does anyone have a picture of the band they could upload from their reunion tour? It's a little silly that the only picture on there is of Nicole. --Kaiserwil (talk) 04:15, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Info about breakup

Could someone provide more information about Gordon's leaving the band?

Could you sign your posts? The truth behind the breakup was never revealed, all we have is rumor and innuendo, and we're not putting that in the article. A conservative interpretation would be that Gordon had been doing side projects with various artists for awhile and wanted to pursue solo work without necessarily leaving the band, but for whatever reason Gordon and Post could not reach a compromise. The more lurid accounts involve wild accusations in the music press, seduction (or attempted seduction) of each other's boyfriends, physical assault, attempts to seize control of the band, destruction of personal property, and other equally bizarre goings on. When Gordon left, Stacy Jones (her boyfriend at the time) left also. Post fired original bassist Steve Lack, declared legal ownership of the band name, started her own label and hired an entirely new lineup. Several songs on Resolver could be interpreted as juvenile verbal assaults on Gordon, and one of the songs on Tonight and the Rest of My Life could be interpreted as a response to those assaults. What deeper meaning any of that may have is anyone's guess. Canonblack 05:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Info about breakup

Does anyone remember a sampled take-off of the David Crosby song "Triad", using the music from 4 Way Street album by Crosby, Stills & Nash (and Young), with two women and a guy arguing about a mutual affair and whether or not to break up, stay together, or release a song about the affair and/or breakup? The parody used the first names of Dave Grohl, Nina Gordon, and Louise Post in the lyrics / voiceover. I remember it was really funny, and it played on Atlanta's 99x and some other alternative radio stations in early 1998. If I could figure out the song's origin I'd mention it in the article here on the band. It seemed to really sum up the feelings at the time towards Veruca Salt, Dave Grohl, and the entire post-grunge Nirvana idolizing and bashing that was popular in the alternative music scene, and if you know the history of the song "Triad" and how CSNY argued over whether or not to release it, you'll see more than one connection to the tensions in Veruca Salt. This may seem like an obscure connection, but it was illuminating to people at the time, especially people into various political causes who by then were tiring of grunge acts and their interest in causes increasingly just to help sell CDs. This is also relavent to the breakup and reformation of Veruca Salt, as while so many people think that Dave's affair with both Nina and Louise was the main factor, there were so many other issues, more related to the profitability of the band than the affair, that drove both the hype about the affair and the temporary breakup. --- Arthur

re: re: Info about breakup

Dave and Nina didn't have an affair. The affair that took place, and partially caused the break up, was between Louise and Nina's boyfriend at the time; Blake Smith (ex-fig dish and currently in Caviar).86.143.60.110 19:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: re: re:Info about breakup

More like definitely causing the break up. I like Nina and the new VS equally but i'm sick of hearing people say "Nina left Louise", well yeah, she did leave louise ... because louise was fucking Nina's boyfriend. I would have left too haha 193.61.130.23 10:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: re: re: Info about breakup

To the person above- where did you hear this? Blackmorningsun

Harsh Criticism

Their allmusic page calls them "one of the most harshly criticized bands of the post-Nirvana alternative rock era." I'd like to know more about that. There needs to be some solid info about this in the article. 70.130.186.251 19:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I recall some criticism of the band related to a lack of originality (in the opinion of the critics). I don't remember the exact source(s), but when Eight Arms came out, at least one critic pointed out that their album titles are riffs on other musicians' work. Eight Arms to Hold You was the working title for Help!, and the "the Seether's Louise" bit from "Volcano Girls" is a reference to "I Am the Walrus" and "Glass Onion." The title American Thighs is an AC/DC reference. If I remember correctly, the first place I read about it was in Rolling Stone's reviews pages when "Eight Arms" was released. nem0 17:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: Harsh Criticism

I wish I still had the article where I read this, but I once read that it was because of the poppiness of their sound. Blackmorningsun

Clear Bias

I don't understand... I added that Nina Gordon penned both hit singles that the band generated, and it was removed? She did write them... so why on earth was this information removed? The removal of this is clear bias. Yes, Nina isn't a member of the band anymore, but she obviously played a huge part of how successful they were in the past.

veruca salt's chart positions and label situations also aren't discussed and therefore it's a vague, biased article too focused on their australian success.

A lot of information needs to be added in order for this to be an accurate look at a complicated band history, rather than fans or friends of the band trying to snuff out the facts that band was built upon.

Agreed. MrDiGeorge 00:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

Most of the above comments are down to a simple, but vital, omission in the whole article - References ! Solve that problem and hyperbole, speculation, hear'say etc., flies out of the window.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re Chart Performance

Seether was the only single to appear in the Triple J top 100 - position 6 in 1994.

All references in the chart related to Triple J top 100 are incorrect. JD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.47.108 (talk) 06:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Veruca Salt (band) → Veruca Salt – The band appears to be a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term. Last month, it received 17,836 views to 128 for Veruca Salt (character). I thought that seemed rather low, and it turns out the latter is just a redirect to a section of List of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory characters. The recent RM of Larry the Lobster affirmed that standalone articles should usually have primacy over sections or list items. And per WP:TWODABS, it would be preferable to disambiguate these two with a hatnote. It also occurred to me that the March announcement of Veruca Salt's reunion could skew pageviews, but that doesn't seem to have had a large impact. February counts are 14,342 and 105. BDD (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support hat note will cover. No article on treating verrucas with "salt" (sic). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support there seem to be only two so dab page is not necessary. Give this one the primary location.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support band solidly eclipses its namesake. DeistCosmos (talk) 22:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. An odd one this. The band isn't terribly well-known to the wider world and is almost certainly much less well-known than the character from which it takes its name (a prominent character in one of the world's most famous children's books). On the other hand, we don't usually have a disambig page for two items and only one is an actual article, so I can see where the nom and support is coming from. I think it's probably the right thing to do under the circumstances, but I certainly do not think the band has primacy as is being claimed (forget page views - they prove nothing whatsoever) and if both had articles then if anything I would say that the character had primacy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I would say probably no primary topic, but a disambiguation page is unnecessary and only one of them has an article. In the last 90 days, there have been 346 page views of Veruca Salt (character), but the redirect is usually bypassed; 23,592 views of Veruca Salt (the disambiguation page), 47,906 of Veruca Salt (band) and 123,090 of List of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory characters. Redirects for the other characters have had between 1,000 and 11,000 views, and Veruca Salt the character may be more notable because of the band but unlikely to be as much as the band itself at present, and it's probably not possible to compare long-term importance of the topics. Maybe if the disambiguation page linked to redirects the current primary topic would be clearer. Peter James (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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