Talk:United States men's national American football team

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Biggest Loss Issue

I see someone put that the USA's biggest loss was against Mexico on June 11, 2016. However, this was a University game, not senior national teams. There is another game I once added that was deleted, and probably rightfully so... when Japan defeated the USA in 2005 in a friendly. The reason this probably shouldn't be included either is because the USA team was restricted to Hawaiians, from my understanding. I am going to change the biggest defeat to yesterday's loss against Germany in the World Games.

I have removed the part about biggest loss and the bronze medal won in the World Games. This article is about the national American football team organized by USA Football. The team that played in the World Games was not organized by USA Football, but by the "United States Federation of American Football" (USFAF). As far as I can tell, USA Football's national team has never lost a game. Here is a source on the World Games team being a USFAF team and here is an article on the internal problems inside the IFAF, and the split between USA Football, the USFAF, and the organizers of the World Games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4649:2F82:0:7C44:6FFA:41B7:A7CB (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware of the USA Football and USFAF situation, but this is not a USA Football article, it is an article about the national American Football team of the United States, and therefore the information should be put back up. USA Football has their own article, and the IFAF recognized the USFAF over USA Football during the World Games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.156.39.14 (talk) 10:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Was the US-Japan Game Broadcasted in the US?

or WILL it be broadcasted state-side? ESPN maybe? -Northridge18:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

No it didn't have enough funding but it was broadcasted in Japan. SOADLuver 04:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Restrictions make no sense - typo?

The restrictions listed in the article make no sense. The restriction against professional players is reasonable. Then, the next three restrictions state that a nominee cannot be a college player, cannot be more than 1 year out of college, and must be pert of the NCAA. Meeting those restrictions, the only people who qualify are those who played for an NCAA team, but are not on any college team anymore, and no more than 1 year out of college. It sounds like it is limited only to those who were injured to the point of not playing anymore. -- Kainaw^(what?) 23:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No players that just graduated are eligible. SOADLuver 04:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article states nobody that "left college more than 1 year ago" is eligible. That means that they must be less than 1 year out of college. Is it supposed to be "nobody less than 1 year out of college is eligible"? -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is supposed to say what it does. This year, USA Football only allowed just graduated former college players (who graduated no more than 1yr ago and who were not drafted or otherwise signed with a pro team). In fact, they had to be a college graduate, with the team makeup including Division IA, IAA, II, III and NAIA schools. The purpose was to be a cross-section of amateur football and thus that was their restrictions on what players would be eligible. I will re-write that section as well as put the players into a table or something to clean that up too...maybe including a breakdown of number of players from each collegiate level.--otduff ^t/_c 18:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What they mean to achieve by not letting current college players play? They are too good while still with the college team? One could think a player gets better over time, at least these younger ones. 85.217.34.67 (talk) 12:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There reads: The team included players representing all levels of college football
But also this: Player must have graduated from college—current college players were ineligible
So, how can a player represent a level in college football if he has graduated from college? And, where actually do they play if not in college or a pro league? I could not find any other leagues from Wikipedia. 85.217.34.67 (talk) 06:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The players must include individuals who competed at all the different levels of college football. That is, the team includes graduates of schools that are in each level. A player who played on a Division II team while attending college is considered to "represent" Division II. --Khajidha (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Previous World Cups

Why didn't USA participate in previous World Cups in 1999 and 2003? Lester Kovac (talk) 15:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably for the same reason that Australia doesn't participate in the International Cup for Australian Rules Football to this day.

Restrictions

Exactly why are professional players ineligible? Is it because the United States would win every year or because teams wouldn't want their players injured? Shouldn't the article say why they are ineligible? Gune (talk) 06:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because USA would be too overpowering. Even with these restrictions they have won both IFAF World Championships which they took part in. But if there is an official, sourced reason for the reason, I'd be glad to hear that. 85.217.34.67 (talk) 06:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think the USA team puts this restriction on themselves, I don't think it is IFAF policy. I read this somewhere, but it was a while ago so II don't have a source. However, since the governing body for the USA is changing, these restrictions may be lessened.

USA Football no longer the National Governing Body of American Football in USA

As of today, May 9th 2017 USA Football is no longer the governing body.^[1] This, as well as multiple other, articles need to be updated to reflect these changes. Gavers23 (talk) 14:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "USA Football not anymore National Governing Body of American Football in USA". www.ifaf.info. Retrieved 9 May 2017.

Requested move 16 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 03:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

United States national American football team → United States men's national American football team – All of the teams listed on United States national football team except for this one are disambiguated as "men's" or "women's" teams. By labeling the men's team as the national football team, we are privileging it over the women's team. We should change the title to match United States women's national American football team. Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 19:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Bingobro (Chat) 05:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 30 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:COMMONNAME WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and WP:ENGVAR. "American football" is almost universally known as "football" without a qualifier. The other two articles on the DAB page, United States men's national soccer team and United States men's national Australian rules football team are already naturally disambiguated. The Canada men's national football team is does not use "American" in the title, even though it plays American football, not Canadian football, internationally. Also, most national association football team articles, such as England national football team, do not disambiguate "football". BilCat (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, and I feel like the "Canada men's national football team" page should be moved to "Canada men's national American football team" as well. (Oh shoot, it seems I missed that discussion). Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, "American football" is a great way to avoid any possible confusion with the title. Using Canada men's national football team as an example of a precedent is not a good idea, as that article has gone through some RMs as well, and there were a lot of dissenting opinions. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 23:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Gridiron football is played internationally far less often than association football, so this article would not be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the proposed title. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] "USA Football not anymore National Governing Body of American Football in USA". www.ifaf.info. Retrieved 9 May 2017.

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