Talk:UEFA Euro 2020 knockout stage

Pagel seems to indicate Finland could not qualify as of 22 June 2021 (France-Portugal not yet played)

While it is unlikely that France will defeat Portugal by 4 goals, leaving Portugal in 3rd place with a -3 goal differential (with Hungary behind them after a draw or loss), it is still possible. Spain losing (or winning by 3 goals) combind with a Poland draw or loss would leave the 3rd place team in group E also behind Finland's 3 points with -2 goal differential.

I am going to fix the possible 3rd place qualifiers to indicate that A and D have qualified, and that the others might be BC, CE, CF, and EF, depending on the results of upcoming games.

Automeris (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Or would have if someone hadn't beaten me to it.

Automeris (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the information was accurate until a user incorrectly changed the table, which was reverted a few minutes later. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

N/A

@KingSkyLord: Please see UEFA Euro 2016 knockout phase, the point of {{N/a}} is to indicate the team from that group is not among the best four third-placed teams. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: Oh okay. I see now. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 18:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Indicating the seeds: B1-F3, A1-C2, etc.

The knockout round seeding system is very complex and cannot be memorized. And unless one has memorized the whole group phase standings, one is at pain to figure them out from the Round of 16 fixtures. In which group were Austria or Wales before? Which position did they end up? Even knowing this, I found it near impossible for the rest day difference between each pair of teams to be calculated, for instance (which is much easier when written: B1-F3 is a lot, here 3 days).

That's why I suggest to use a template that informs us of the seeds, such as Template:16TeamBracket (with the | RD4b = Third place option).

To illustrate, you can look at one sister wiki using it: the Hungarian one.

Tabelleau (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I've made a research. It turns out there are 2 modules running most knockout round templates, which failed to be merged despite the attempts, and each with their own advantages and drawbacks:

• Module:RoundN, on which this page's template is based, and which does not support seeds (seen by the programmer as not necessary)
• and Module:Team bracket, on which Template:16TeamBracket, but which does not seem to support dates and venues (see below)

UEFA Euro 2020 knockout phase with seeds shown (but not dates and venues)
Round of 16 Quarter-finals Semi-finals Final                         B1 Belgium F3 Portugal     A1 Italy C2 Austria     F1 France A3 Switzerland     D2 Croatia E2 Spain     E1 Sweden C3 Ukraine     D1 England F2 Germany     C1 Netherlands D3 Czech Republic     A2 Wales B2 Denmark

So I'm afraid my suggestion will be cast aside, until the problem is solved in a few years' time.

Tabelleau (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A second option would be to integrate the seeds as team name parameters. Tabelleau (talk) 23:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Round of 16

Quarter-finals

Semi-finals

Final

27 June 2021 – Seville

B1 Belgium

2 July 2021 – Munich

F3 Portugal

Winner Match 39

26 June 2021 – London

Winner Match 37

A1 Italy

6 July 2021 – London

C2 Austria

Winner Match 46

28 June 2021 – Bucharest

Winner Match 45

F1 France

2 July 2021 – Saint Petersburg

A3 Switzerland

Winner Match 41

28 June 2021 – Copenhagen

Winner Match 42

D2 Croatia

11 July 2021 – London

E2 Spain

Winner Match 49

29 June 2021 – Glasgow

Winner Match 50

E1 Sweden

3 July 2021 – Rome

C3 Ukraine

Winner Match 43

29 June 2021 – London

Winner Match 44

D1 England

7 July 2021 – London

F2 Germany

Winner Match 48

27 June 2021 – Budapest

Winner Match 47

C1 Netherlands

3 July 2021 – Baku

D3 Czech Republic

Winner Match 40

26 June 2021 – Amsterdam

Winner Match 38

A2 Wales

B2 Denmark

Seeds are listed above so no need for them. Kante4 (talk) 05:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Italy v Austria

@S.A. Julio: Donnarumma wore a different kit colour.--Island92 (talk) 21:49, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

De Ligt red card

@Island92: Hey, I noticed in the UEFA full-time report for the Netherlands v Czech Republic match, De Ligt's sending off is listed in the 52nd minute. However, this is the minute that the referee gave him a yellow card, in actuality it was upgraded to a red card only in the 55th minute after a VAR review, as shown on UEFA's match page. Which minute should be used? I know typically we go by the full-time report for minutes, but in this case it seems misleading, as in reality De Ligt was not sent off until the 55th minute. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: the card was upgraded because the VAR was used (in fact, it costed minutes before changing it to red, 55th the result). It doesn't matter which card he received first. UEFA says 52nd minute because it is the moment De Ligt committed the foul. We should report 52nd.--Island92 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: it is the same situation when a player scores: for example, yesterday Braithwaite scored at 90+4', but VAR confirmed the goal at 90+6', but UEFA says 90+4' because it is the moment the main event happened.--Island92 (talk) 18:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Card minutes are not based on when the foul occurred though, but when the referee actually gives the player the yellow or red card. For example, if a player is on the ground after a foul, the referee will often wait a minute until they stand up before issuing a yellow card; in this case, the minute listed is based on the issuing of the card, not the foul. Also, in the Slovakia v Spain match, the foul that resulted in the penalty occurred in the 9th minute, but Duda was not booked until the 12th minute after VAR review. The event is the card itself, not what led to it, unlike a goal, which is when the ball crosses the goal line. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: it's clearly known that we tendentially follow the majority of minutes being reported into Full Time Report pdf. Netherlands v Ukraine group stage the report link says Weghorst 59', but we displayed 58' per Full Time Report. This is a particular case, therefore let's display 55th, the moment he was sent off.--Island92 (talk) 19:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Man of the match in Switzerland vs. Spain

Unai Simón is spanish. Here he is listed as swiss.

83.52.177.125 (talk)

Not as of now. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Referee

There's no information about the primary referee for any of the matches Ahlmann1973 (talk) 10:14, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ahlmann1973: That information is included in the {{football box}} template at the top of each section, which are summaries of each match. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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