Talk:Už jsme doma

Uz Jsme Doma have been around for 20 years, and have 5 full length studio albums. How else can i establish their notability? Additionally, Wikipedia states that an article on a band that doesn't seem evidently notable is not alone criteria enough for speedy deletion, does it not?

If that makes them notable, then please do add it to the article. An article that simply says "[name of band] is a [genre] band from [city, country]" is bound to be deleted, because it doesn't assert anything more than the mere fact that it exists, which is nowhere near enough for Wikipedia. Aecis^Brievenbus 11:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the speedy and replaced it with a PROD. I am giving this the benefit of 5 days to make an actual sourced assertion per WP:MUSIC.--Isotope23 18:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, but I see that the prod-tag has been removed by the article's creator, with the explanation "removing deletion proposal as page as been improved and I detest the neccesity of page deletion". Common procedure when a prod tag is removed, is to move the discussion to AFD instead. I won't do that for now, to give the author a chance to improve the article. I will, however, reserve the right to nominate the article for AFD when the five-day period has ended, if I feel that notability has not been asserted. Aecis^Brievenbus 10:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Page updated

I've overhauled this page but am not clear on how to properly state image copyrights, so hopefully they'll remain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Colinclarksmith (talk • contribs) 22:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Well, I don't really know anything about Wikipedia, or how it works, but I came to this page just to find out who exactly wrote the original article, which I came to looking for the correct spelling of the original Sax player's name for something I am writing.

I am the former Canadian agent for the band, and worked with them from 1995 to 1997, and I can affirm that any idea that this band is not notable enough for inclusion at Wikipedia is simply wrong. Not only are they notable, but they are also an important and ground breaking Eastern European rock band and next to Plastic People of the Universe, the Czech Republic's most well known international underground act.

They were for a time signed to BMG Music for the release of "Hollywood", they toured with the Residents, and also toured Canada three times as part of their US tours, of which their were many. On one of these tours they recorded a live concert (Starfish Room 1997 -- source Poli Pet: http://www.polipet.cz/titul.php?id=458 ) for the Canadian Broadacsting Corporation, which was later releazed as a CD, a small addition to a quantity of internationally released recordings of their music. And that just touches on the stuff that I was directly involved in.

Not only that, but they are also politically important, as part of (or at least heirs too) the Czech Republics Charter 77 movement. Wanek even played some small part in the interim government during the Velevet Revolution, I believe. They toured Bosnia during the civil war. Their live sound engineer did sound for the Pope on his first ever post communist era appearance in Prague. Funny but true.

May 14th 2007.

pronounciation

ooze-meh-dough-ma :) IPA, somebody? Torzsmokus 10:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

POV

User:Popcornduff has posted a POV tag on the article, and one has to agree with that. The overall tone is laudatory and promotional, with occasional twaddle. Also the sources are predominantly primary. Nevertheless it is evident that the band are important in Czech culture and have a long and storied history. Some justidious pruning would be an improvement I think. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The tone of the article needs a big cleanup, but I don't think the noteworthiness of the subject matter is in question. CCS81 (talk) 21:20, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Copyedit

During copyediting I have removed:

The group's complex and genre-bending sound, longevity, relentless touring and diverse involvement in outside artistic media have earned them a large international following.

as not supported by the sources cited, one of which doesn't lead to an article about the band.

Also removed this unsourced passage:

Although, according to their pop-up book 11, they have "received all kinds of labels, like intellectual punk, Slavic tone provocation, African music, orchestral punk, funky punk, ska, inspiration by Zappa, Uriah Heep, Gregorian chants, melodic avant garde and plenty of others," their distinct take on rock music defies specific categorization or direct comparison. Many accuse the band's music of being chaotic, when in actuality it is thoroughly arranged, structured in a manner similar to classical composition.

...and this as unencyclopedic in tone and wholly unsupported by sources:

The band's approach to arrangements is unique in the world of rock. They bring the instruments and vocals in different directions within the same scales and keys to create a dense melodic atmosphere. In addition, their rhythms often accent off-beats and half-beats, throwing the listener in unexpected directions. The music is an exhausting juxtaposition between beauty and ugliness, as songs will frequently shift between modes to create tumultuous, powerful hooks (a good example of this is the song "Hollywood.") The band is also fond of shifts between time signatures and the insertion of extra beats in the shaping of the mood of the song.

Jindra Dolanský's saxophone playing is unique, and his tendency to grab notes with very little sustain shaped the band's approach to songwriting, enabling them to build complex melodies within condensed spaces. The lead guitar work often involves a lot of single-note soloing with no bends, and very high-pitched, frantically strummed diminished chords whose backbeat-emphasizing rhythm may call reggae or ska music to mind for some listeners. Others may describe the sophisticated chords of Wanek's pickless, fingerstyle guitar work as jazz chords. The drumming is consistently high-energy, relying on backbeats, polyrhyhthmic tom-tom work and off-beat cymbal fills. The bass lines are also high-energy, utilizing sixteenth notes to pack more into less space than most rock bands, and harmonic notes to complement the primary melodies and add to the composition's density.

Every aspect of the band's music is premeditated and composed and there is no improvisation. This approach has allowed the band to sail through their many lineup and instrumentation changes while retaining the intentions of the compositions. The departure of Dolanský pushed saxophone parts onto the guitars, keyboards and vocals; the recent replacement of solo guitar with trumpet has condensed lead guitar and sax lines into the singular trumpet parts.

It would be great if someone could find and add some reliable sources here, together with brining the article up to scratch in terms of tone and content. --Michig (talk) 14:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I have found and added some sources - there are more out there but Google translate on Czech sources is pretty awful - could really use someone who can read the originals. --Michig (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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